Official Trade Thread - Part XLIII

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Big swing trade - Ben Simmons. He might flake out, but you could probably get him at a huge discount right now. Kuz and Barton plus one or two of the young guys?

[doclinkin]

I do wonder if Shep is waiting this out to see if the smoke clears a bit before making a move. Per the Athletic, KD would want to play with Bam, Butler and Lowry so unless Miami can figure that out somehow, it would be impossible for him to go to Miami

It was said somewhere and I agree that probably much of free agency is on hold until the KD situation settles. Every team would love to find a way to get in on that action, even as a peripheral team added on to siphon picks in a salary dump.

Like, I bet the Hawks would love to get in on a KD trade. Is there a John Collins package that can be shuffled around to get it done? Tommy was the guy who just engineered a 5 team trade of incredible complexity, with all the friends and favors he has around the league, I would not be surprised if he wedged his way into a player shuffle as the 3rd or 4th team in on a deal. I do think we still have roster imbalance at forward and need future picks as well. But there are realistically a handful of teams that would love to make a run for KD, and until that situation unlocks, there will be a finger on the collective pause button.

[doclinkin]

Big swing trade - Ben Simmons. He might flake out, but you could probably get him at a huge discount right now. Kuz and Barton plus one or two of the young guys?

Ben Simmons and Kristaps Porzinga are a good fit with each other. Simmons plays point center, Kristaps plays stretch Big. Not sure Simmons is a good fit with the version of Beal who can't shoot from outside, he needs outside shooting all around him.

This team handled the Rui situation honorably with empathy, protectiveness, and care -- exactly in the way Simmons should have received. I'm proud of the team that we have no idea really what was going on with Rui. That said it is fair to wonder if Simmons has trauma over the situation that will complicate the rest of his career. His team docs did not think he needed back surgery, he swore he did. I have known of a few instances where back spasms were a somatic response to stress, often chronic more than a single instance.

If we could get him cheap cheap he might be worth a risk. But I don't think that happens this year or for a while.

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...This team handled the Rui situation honorably with empathy, protectiveness, and care -- exactly in the way Simmons should have received. I'm proud of the team that we have no idea really what was going on with Rui....

Thank you for posting this, doc -- a really great point!

[gambitx777]

I am not touching Ben with a 56 foot pole . I don't care what the situation is he's not reliable .

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[doclinkin]

...This team handled the Rui situation honorably with empathy, protectiveness, and care -- exactly in the way Simmons should have received. I'm proud of the team that we have no idea really what was going on with Rui....

Thank you for posting this, doc -- a really great point!

These sorts of things are when I don't mind the 'double bottom line' focus. When it has tangible results and is not simply patting oneself on the back for being jolly good guys regardless of the product or results. Or fan experience. This and when an unquestioned great talent like Miles Bridges does something monstrous and I am keenly aware that our squad generally has had some decent dudes playing here for a while. I get it, I understand why it is a point of emphasis, in and of itself the emphasis on character is not a bad thing, just understand it skews your evaluation system when it is heavily weighted in your metrics.

[bsilver]

I was hoping for a Simmons for Beal trade last year. But if the Nets wanted him, and now don’t, something is wrong. He seems like the ideal player for them. And if he’s convinced he needs back surgery why would we take the risk? Maybe his back problems are psychosomatic, but that’s not the usual cause.

[tsvqt]

Big swing trade - Ben Simmons. He might flake out, but you could probably get him at a huge discount right now. Kuz and Barton plus one or two of the young guys?

Ben Simmons and Kristaps Porzinga are a good fit with each other. Simmons plays point center, Kristaps plays stretch Big. Not sure Simmons is a good fit with the version of Beal who can't shoot from outside, he needs outside shooting all around him.

This team handled the Rui situation honorably with empathy, protectiveness, and care -- exactly in the way Simmons should have received. I'm proud of the team that we have no idea really what was going on with Rui. That said it is fair to wonder if Simmons has trauma over the situation that will complicate the rest of his career. His team docs did not think he needed back surgery, he swore he did. I have known of a few instances where back spasms were a somatic response to stress, often chronic more than a single instance.

If we could get him cheap cheap he might be worth a risk. But I don't think that happens this year or for a while.

I hate all the KUZMA for Collins talk. I don't think Collins moves the needle for us in any way shape or form. If we are to take a gamble and move Kuzma, I'd be more willing to take a SERIOUS gamble, and get a guy, (if mentally healthy) who COULD move the needle for this team. (For the record, I'm NOT a huge Ben Simmons fan)
Wizards receive: Ben Simmons
Nets receive: Kyle Kuzma, Rui, Delonte Wright & Todd.

Wizards Roster;
Morris, Simmons
Beal, Davis
Barton, Kispert
Simmons, Deni
KP, Gafford

Simmons would bring Defense to both units while being surrounded by decent shooting.

[DCZards]

Big swing trade - Ben Simmons. He might flake out, but you could probably get him at a huge discount right now. Kuz and Barton plus one or two of the young guys?

Ben Simmons and Kristaps Porzinga are a good fit with each other. Simmons plays point center, Kristaps plays stretch Big. Not sure Simmons is a good fit with the version of Beal who can't shoot from outside, he needs outside shooting all around him.

This team handled the Rui situation honorably with empathy, protectiveness, and care -- exactly in the way Simmons should have received. I'm proud of the team that we have no idea really what was going on with Rui. That said it is fair to wonder if Simmons has trauma over the situation that will complicate the rest of his career. His team docs did not think he needed back surgery, he swore he did. I have known of a few instances where back spasms were a somatic response to stress, often chronic more than a single instance.

If we could get him cheap cheap he might be worth a risk. But I don't think that happens this year or for a while.

I hate all the KUZMA for Collins talk. I don't think Collins moves the needle for us in any way shape or form. If we are to take a gamble and move Kuzma, I'd be more willing to take a SERIOUS gamble, and get a guy, (if mentally healthy) who COULD move the needle for this team. (For the record, I'm NOT a huge Ben Simmons fan)
Wizards receive: Ben Simmons
Nets receive: Kyle Kuzma, Rui, Delonte Wright & Todd.

Wizards Roster;
Morris, Simmons
Beal, Davis
Barton, Kispert
Simmons, Deni
KP, Gafford

Simmons would bring Defense to both units while being surrounded by decent shooting.

No way am I giving up all that for a guy who may never play another NBA game. In fact, I wouldn't make that trade even if I thought Simmons was fully healthy and ready to play in October.

[tsvqt]

Ben Simmons and Kristaps Porzinga are a good fit with each other. Simmons plays point center, Kristaps plays stretch Big. Not sure Simmons is a good fit with the version of Beal who can't shoot from outside, he needs outside shooting all around him.

This team handled the Rui situation honorably with empathy, protectiveness, and care -- exactly in the way Simmons should have received. I'm proud of the team that we have no idea really what was going on with Rui. That said it is fair to wonder if Simmons has trauma over the situation that will complicate the rest of his career. His team docs did not think he needed back surgery, he swore he did. I have known of a few instances where back spasms were a somatic response to stress, often chronic more than a single instance.

If we could get him cheap cheap he might be worth a risk. But I don't think that happens this year or for a while.

I hate all the KUZMA for Collins talk. I don't think Collins moves the needle for us in any way shape or form. If we are to take a gamble and move Kuzma, I'd be more willing to take a SERIOUS gamble, and get a guy, (if mentally healthy) who COULD move the needle for this team. (For the record, I'm NOT a huge Ben Simmons fan)
Wizards receive: Ben Simmons
Nets receive: Kyle Kuzma, Rui, Delonte Wright & Todd.

Wizards Roster;
Morris, Simmons
Beal, Davis
Barton, Kispert
Simmons, Deni
KP, Gafford

Simmons would bring Defense to both units while being surrounded by decent shooting.

No way am I giving up all that for a guy who may never play another NBA game. In fact, I wouldn't make that trade even if I thought Simmons was fully healthy and ready to play in October.

I don't want to move KUZMA period, unless we get to the trade deadline and see that a move HAS to be made. I REALLY want to see what we have in BEAL, KUZMA, KP & the youngins development (Rui, Deni, Kispert, Davis). By the trade deadline, if we don't show progress in our youth, BLOW THIS TEAM UP, and do a true fire sale to TANK for VICTOR WEMBANYAMA!!

[NatP4]

I like Kuzma+Barton+Todd for Simmons. Let him come back whenever he’s ready. He’s an impact player and a great fit with this roster. You pretty much just don’t play him too much with guys like Gafford and Avdija. Play him in lineups with 4 shooters and let him do his thing.

Collins is good, but probably would cost future picks. Simmons could be had for just a salary dump I bet and is a better fit.

[tsvqt]

I like Kuzma+Barton+Todd for Simmons. Let him come back whenever he’s ready. He’s an impact player and a great fit with this roster. You pretty much just don’t play him too much with guys like Gafford and Avdija. Play him in lineups with 4 shooters and let him do his thing.

Collins is good, but probably would cost future picks. Simmons could be had for just a salary dump I bet and is a better fit.

Barton can't be moved for two months in your trade scenario. You're right about Collins. ATL would probably want picks back for Collins, seeing they just gave away a boat load of them to acquire D.Murray. I personally am against the board in trading for Collins.

[nate33]

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