Who would you give for KD? Pascal/Scottie/Neither?

[Live Free]

Before I block you, I have to ask. This "KD" you speak of, is he the 2015 version of KD? How much better is he than the guy I personally witnessed fall to the floor in Game 5 of the 2019 Finals, THREE FRICKEN YEARS AGO, and not get up for the next two seasons.

I see teams keep trying to bring back the big names like Carmelo, or Blake Griffin (Lowry?). Years ago it was Allen Iverson and Shaq. But Father Time is undefeated. Scottie will get much better, Pascal will make more All-NBA teams in his healthy seasons, while Kevin Durant continues his decline (which has already begun).

As Masai says, the object is to win. Raptors without Pascal and with KD (a) doesn't have a centre, so is not a contender, and (b) is without draft picks to use or trade to achieve contender status. Raptors without Scottie and with KD (a) still doesn't have a centre, so not a contender, and (b) without a superstar once KD's production falls off a cliff in ~2 seasons.

This KD I speak of was a leading MVP candidate while leading the league in scoring before he got mid season injury last season.. and was a toe on the line of single handedly eliminating the eventual Champs Milwaukee the season before..yeah that kevin durant.

This Pascal you speak of... is it the same one that scored ZERO points in the second half and overtime in game 4??

Then a grand total of TWO points in the second half of game 6??

Go ahead and block me cause I'm blocking all the homers first

How many playoff games did this KD win last year?

So you'd rather have Pascal and Trent Jr? Say it loud and clear so the folks in the back can hear

As if Pascal Is doing something with Bruce brown and Claxton playing 35mins

KD is beating Boston with og Freddy scottie and precious cut it out

[coolbyme]

This KD I speak of was a leading MVP candidate while leading the league in scoring before he got mid season injury last season.. and was a toe on the line of single handedly eliminating the eventual Champs Milwaukee the season before..yeah that kevin durant.

This Pascal you speak of... is it the same one that scored ZERO points in the second half and overtime in game 4??

Then a grand total of TWO points in the second half of game 6??

Go ahead and block me cause I'm blocking all the homers first

How many playoff games did this KD win last year?

So you'd rather have Pascal and Trent Jr? Say it loud and clear so the folks in the back can hear

As if Pascal Is doing something with Bruce brown and Claxton playing 35mins

KD is beating Boston with og Freddy scottie and precious cut it out

I agree, but is it enough to get us to the finals? Assuming no big injuries, maybe...

I'd probably risk it and so the trade, but I'm not sure it'll be enough.

If we trade Pascal, I'd maybe try to move Scottie for a great 2nd scoring option and complementary pieces. Durant pushes our window all the way forward, and we'd need to go all in for the next 2 years.

I love Scottie, but this our best shot at another chip.

Luckily we have Masai to wear the big boy pants, and make the big boy moves. Trust Masai.

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[Boardbreaker]

This KD I speak of was a leading MVP candidate while leading the league in scoring before he got mid season injury last season.. and was a toe on the line of single handedly eliminating the eventual Champs Milwaukee the season before..yeah that kevin durant.

This Pascal you speak of... is it the same one that scored ZERO points in the second half and overtime in game 4??

Then a grand total of TWO points in the second half of game 6??

Go ahead and block me cause I'm blocking all the homers first

How many playoff games did this KD win last year?

So you'd rather have Pascal and Trent Jr? Say it loud and clear so the folks in the back can hear

As if Pascal Is doing something with Bruce brown and Claxton playing 35mins

KD is beating Boston with og Freddy scottie and precious cut it out

IF this was all it took this would probably be the most I would be willing to seriously consider. Like others have already alluded to I’m still not sure how much of a title contender it makes us adding KD at the cost of subtracting Siakam. Slight uptick in title hopes while cutting the contention window in half.

[CPT]

Scottie is never going to be as good as prime Kevin Durant. Let’s get that out of the way.

However, I wouldn’t be surprised if 2023-24 Scottie is better than 2023-24 Durant. Outside chance it happens sooner, and basically guaranteed to be true in 24-25.

That’s literally just the two players on the court playing basketball. Once you take contracts, chemistry, and additional compensation into account (have people not seen the way deals for stars are built these days?) and it’s a lot easier to see why Toronto would say “no.”

Siakam is a different story. Personally, I might like him enough to refuse to give him up, but it would probably be correct to make the move. That said, if it’s Siakam, OG/Trent and like 4 picks, it’s not such an easy decision.

[Rapsin6]

Regardless of who the main player is, you have to send salary. It’s the same issue as Gobert. You would have to send at least two starters which would leave us with a depleted team who wouldn’t be good enough to make us a favourite. Even if KD plays out his contract here, we have a very tough time winning a championship and we lose our future potential, whatever that may be.

[Clutch0z24]

I don't have a leg in this race either way....Cause i could care less at which direction we go....Getting KD or staying as would be fine with me ....

But idk what some of you fans in here are thinking saying to not give up Siakam for KD ....Lol....

So whats your alternative plan? Keep Siakam who we already know is not close to a number 1 option for what exactly?....To hope to come out the 2nd round?

Or are you waiting at least 5-7 years where Barnes could be at that level to be on a KD/Giannis level (It took Giannis 7 Years to be that guy to bring Bucks a title)....By then Siakam will be 33-35 and is not anywhere near the level KD is even at 34.....

Or are you holding onto Siakam to maybe package him for younger players on Barnes timeline?....

Whats the thought process going forward with your thinking of this? Im seriously curious....

If Raptors were lucky to get KD for Siakam/GTJr Or OG + Picks You have to think about it...We would also get back Joe Harris or Seth Curry in any deal as well....

Durant is a legit first option and a top 1-5 Player right now...have to also realize once you get KD other players around the league will be willing to come here to compete with KD for titles....So the team building doesn't just stop with getting KD and we would be done making moves...

Lets just say the Deal is

Siakam
GTJr
4-5 Picks with swaps
Filler for salary
for
KD
Seth Curry or Joe Harris

Your team next season looks like

FVV
OG
Barnes
KD
Precious

Harris or Curry
Boucher
Porter Jr

And whatever else you get in the open market....Thats a heck of a team in the East next season....

Now lets say you look at the team and say Hmmm idk seems we need something more...You have OG Right there who could package for something else....Maybe a guy like Turner + Durate for OG And Flynn....

Then you run with a squad of

FVV
Curry or Harris
Barnes
Durant
Turner

Precious
Duarte
Boucher
Porter Jr

....There are way more options with KD here then it would be keeping status Quo and being a treadmill team for the next while until Barnes is ready to be that guy....Which is along ways away...One option keeping Siakam...Barnes has no shot in going for a title, Get KD and you open up the Window for Barnes to get a title young and then grow into the Man to win on his own later....

[tecumseh18]

That said, if it’s Siakam, OG/Trent and like 4 picks, it’s not such an easy decision.

Narrator: It was an easy decision.

There's no point in gutting our present (and future, without the draft picks) team to bring in 34-year-old KD. No championships will result from it.

Scottie won ROY in one of the best draft classes in history. He had many games last season where he looked like a superstar already. Raptors were one of the youngest teams in the league. 2019 was a quickie. Satisfying at the time, but ultimately bittersweet. Now let's enjoy the slow build.

[Dennis 37]

This KD I speak of was a leading MVP candidate while leading the league in scoring before he got mid season injury last season.. and was a toe on the line of single handedly eliminating the eventual Champs Milwaukee the season before..yeah that kevin durant.

This Pascal you speak of... is it the same one that scored ZERO points in the second half and overtime in game 4??

Then a grand total of TWO points in the second half of game 6??

Go ahead and block me cause I'm blocking all the homers first

You seem very upset that fans with no power to do anything have voted that they would PREFER to send neither guy, in an online poll that means nothing. Stop crying because you’re excited.

Na I'm very upset that these group of fans continue to prove themselves as world class homers

Seems to me Masai is a world class homer as we didn't give up the Timberwolves package to get Gobert. Even when we traded for Kawhi we knew the playoff limitations of DeMar and knew the odds of him having better playoffs in the future were not overwhelming. Scottie is not DeMar. His potential is unknown and may be off the charts. He has been compared to Magic Johnson. Do you trade a rookie Magic Johnson for an over 30 injury prone KD?

I don;t think you get KD without Scottie, so talking about Pascal is moot.

[adubmac]

I would give Pascal a piggyback ride all the way to Brooklyn if it meant KD was a Raptor.

[Buff]

Narrative-wise Pascal + FVV plus the picks and swap for the length of KD's contract (2 Allstars, 4 picks) should work.

Scottie, GTj, OG, KD, Precious can beat anybody. And 4 of the 5 are under 24.

[mihaic]

Narrative-wise Pascal + FVV plus the picks and swap for the length of KD's contract (2 Allstars, 4 picks) should work.

Scottie, GTj, OG, KD, Precious can beat anybody. And 4 of the 5 are under 24.

That team is too young to win in my opinion. Beside bkn wants younger players.

[anotherhomer]

I don't care what happens
They gave it a kick at the can

[YogurtProducer]

I don't have a leg in this race either way....Cause i could care less at which direction we go....Getting KD or staying as would be fine with me ....

As he proceeds to write his 172nd thesis on the subject

[Clutch0z24]

I don't have a leg in this race either way....Cause i could care less at which direction we go....Getting KD or staying as would be fine with me ....

As he proceeds to write his 172nd thesis on the subject

And? Your point is?...I was right wasn't i? Its going to take more then what you and any other diluted mind thinking its gonna be a package around OG/GTJR Nets say Siakam or Barnes or Hang up the phone

And if you think Masai is not offering a package of Siakam + W/e else for a top 5-top 3 player in the world then i guess you do not know Masais M-O

[alienchild]

I don't have a leg in this race either way....Cause i could care less at which direction we go....Getting KD or staying as would be fine with me ....

As he proceeds to write his 172nd thesis on the subject

And? Your point is?...I was right wasn't i? Its going to take more then what you and any other diluted mind thinking its gonna be a package around OG/GTJR Nets say Siakam or Barnes or Hang up the phone

And if you think Masai is not offering a package of Siakam + W/e else for a top 5-top 3 player in the world then i guess you do not know Masais M-O

[CANsportsguru]

Honestly it was just Barnes and draft picks I would seriously consider it. However Barnes would just be a sweetener in the deal and you have to match salaries.

[DreamTeam09]

If it's not OG + Trent I wouldn't do it and I'd assume that's not enough

[raincityraptors]

Everyone here who has already made the case for why you can't trade either player for Durant explained this well already. I won't do it again. I'm just impressed by how many people selected "Neither" for the same reasons.

[mihaic]

If it's not OG + Trent I wouldn't do it and I'd assume that's not enough

If we have to give Pascal and OG it becomes a lateral move.
If we include Scottie we lose a potential star, which is why personally I would not do it. And we will still need to include og and gtj to match...

I think Nets are waiting for other teams offers.

[XTC]

I'd be reluctant to give up more than

Pascal/OG + Trent + 3 FRP