WOJ/SHAMS: Nuggets trade Barton and Morris for KCP and Ish Smith

[dckingsfan]

My premise is that the Wiz, being a really awful team year upon year, simply need to rebuild. Expiring veterans in/out just don't matter, whether it's KCP or Barton. To me, IOW, the trade simply amounts to Ish for Morris: the other two guys are noise not signal.

For that reason, I loved the trade. Plus, I would likely have let Ish's option lapse, so to me it looks like we acquired Monte Morris for nothing!

From that perspective I have to agree with you. This keeps us treading water without throwing off assets.

From my perspective, we are signing Beal to pair with Monte Morris for the next two years. To me, that is a disaster - well, I guess trying for the play-in isn't really a disaster but... you get where I am going with this.

If that was your "best" move. You don't sign Beal. You do a S&T. Because three seasons from now Beal is 31...

If you look at this trade - fine, I will give you it isn't horrible. When you look at it in context... not so pretty.

Why does it have to be "your 'best' move?" It's A move. & a substantial upgrade as well -- from Ish to Morris. At no cost. Plus, the "context" doesn't change the move! No matter what, Monte Morris is a zillion times better than Ish Smith. & Ish is 36. Presumably this is his last year. Instead of going away for nothing, in other words, he got us Morris.

& it'll be hard to think of or do anything at all to make re-signing Brad for $45m/year anything but an utterly disastrous mistake.

I look at the trade with the Brad resigning in the same lens (I could see disagreeing with this, that they should be looked at as independent events).

I see the two as individual tactics without a strategy - and agreed - tactical and a strategic disaster.

And name that tune:
"Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat".

Sun Tzu

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A lot of ways to look at it... The most prominent military strategist in the last several hundred years, Von Clausewitz, said: "the battle plan does not survive contact with the enemy." So you have to have a plan, but you have to be able to react quickly as well.

& you must be able to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves -- no matter what your "strategy."

Sense the moment. Seize the moment.

[MVPofDC]

I like the deal. Love Monte's game, he fits a big need for us and his contract is super affordable.

Then we follow this up by maxing Beal for $50M/yr...

[mhd]

Well Tyus Jones was never a realistic option (just resigned for 2/30) in Memphis.

[Rafael122]

Well Tyus Jones was never a realistic option (just resigned for 2/30) in Memphis.

Sign and trade was always going to be the option unless he decided to take the MLE.

[fishercob]

I don't know enough about Morris to have an opinion. But on the surface, I think he's a backup pg and I hope he doesn't start. A starting backcourt of Morris and Beal is not big enough to defend in this league.

Agree that why Delon Wright or a trade to get Brogdon makes more sense.

No, I wouldn't say so. & I don't see it as being close in either case.

Delon Wright is a UFA & will get paid way more than we can afford. He's also 30 years old; I imagine he would have zero appetite to come play out his career for a bottom-dweller like the Wizards. In short, he's completely irrelevant.

Checks back in to see how the old heads are reacting to the offseason.

Sees PIF is still in insufferable blowhard who shares his every idle thought with the certitude of a flat-earther.

Dips.

[doclinkin]

Agree that why Delon Wright or a trade to get Brogdon makes more sense.

No, I wouldn't say so. & I don't see it as being close in either case.

Delon Wright is a UFA & will get paid way more than we can afford. He's also 30 years old; I imagine he would have zero appetite to come play out his career for a bottom-dweller like the Wizards. In short, he's completely irrelevant.

Checks back in to see how the old heads are reacting to the offseason.

Sees PIF is still in insufferable blowhard who shares his every idle thought with the certitude of a flat-earther.

Dips.

Boooooo. And here I was actually happy to see the screen name, bb. But to drop in and troll then skip? Unworthy. At least mix it up a minute before you leave. Or hey, offer counter content, thoughts and insight. Might get material enough for a podcast or something. Anyway, good to see you on here for a minute anyway.

[AFM]

Agree that why Delon Wright or a trade to get Brogdon makes more sense.

No, I wouldn't say so. & I don't see it as being close in either case.

Delon Wright is a UFA & will get paid way more than we can afford. He's also 30 years old; I imagine he would have zero appetite to come play out his career for a bottom-dweller like the Wizards. In short, he's completely irrelevant.

Checks back in to see how the old heads are reacting to the offseason.

Sees PIF is still in insufferable blowhard who shares his every idle thought with the certitude of a flat-earther.

Dips.

Fish, please consider deleting this. PIF has gotten cranky in his old age & dementia and really doesn't appreciate comments like this. He also gave me power of attorney to post things like this for him.

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Agree that why Delon Wright or a trade to get Brogdon makes more sense.

No, I wouldn't say so. & I don't see it as being close in either case.

Delon Wright is a UFA & will get paid way more than we can afford. He's also 30 years old; I imagine he would have zero appetite to come play out his career for a bottom-dweller like the Wizards. In short, he's completely irrelevant.

Checks back in to see how the old heads are reacting to the offseason.

Sees PIF is still in insufferable blowhard who shares his every idle thought with the certitude of a flat-earther....

-- Well I hope you at least check back in to read me acknowledge -- to you & anyone else who cares -- how totally wrong I was!

I'm wrong frequently -- why wouldn't I be? OTOH, I'm pretty sure I don't call people names; I don't write insulting words about my fellow posters on the board.

Then again... now that you've gotten that off your chest, why don't you visit more often & post your thoughts, fishercob? I'd welcome that, & I'm sure others would as well.

Hope you do -- & if so please feel free to point it out every time I'm stupid, slow, categorical, self-important, or an idiot in any other way! I deserve it, & I can handle it too.

[queridiculo]

So who’s going to start at PG, Morris or Wright?

[FAH1223]

So who’s going to start at PG, Morris or Wright?

I’d say Monte just cause of Wes connection

But Wright starting is probably better

[80sballboy]

So who’s going to start at PG, Morris or Wright?

I’d say Monte just cause of Wes connection

But Wright starting is probably better

I think it will be Morris, but we'll find out more in preseason. Who fits better with Beal? It's probably Wright due to his size and defense. Morris is the slightly better shooter and offensive player. But sure, Wes probably feels more comfortable with Morris.

[DCZards]

Team chemistry is important. We saw that last season when the Zards struggled trying to mesh Beal and Dinwiddie.

So it does make a lot of sense to start Morris. Hopefully, he's the oncourt leader that the Zards desperately need.

The defense will suffer starting Morris over Wright but the opening minutes of the game are extremely important when it comes to setting the tone, style and pace the coaches want—and Morris is probably better suited for that role, especially given his relationship with Wes Jr.

[montestewart]

No, I wouldn't say so. & I don't see it as being close in either case.

Delon Wright is a UFA & will get paid way more than we can afford. He's also 30 years old; I imagine he would have zero appetite to come play out his career for a bottom-dweller like the Wizards. In short, he's completely irrelevant.

Checks back in to see how the old heads are reacting to the offseason.

Sees PIF is still in insufferable blowhard who shares his every idle thought with the certitude of a flat-earther....

-- Well I hope you at least check back in to read me acknowledge -- to you & anyone else who cares -- how totally wrong I was!

I'm wrong frequently -- why wouldn't I be? OTOH, I'm pretty sure I don't call people names; I don't write insulting words about my fellow posters on the board.

Then again... now that you've gotten that off your chest, why don't you visit more often & post your thoughts, fishercob? I'd welcome that, & I'm sure others would as well.

Hope you do -- & if so please feel free to point it out every time I'm stupid, slow, categorical, self-important, or an idiot in any other way! I deserve it, & I can handle it too.

Fish, AFM has been negligent in his responsibilities and could use your help.

[montestewart]

Team chemistry is important. We saw that last season when the Zards struggled trying to mesh Beal and Dinwiddie.

So it does make a lot of sense to start Morris. Hopefully, he's the oncourt leader that the Zards desperately need.

The defense will suffer starting Morris over Wright but the opening minutes of the game are extremely important when it comes to setting the tone, style and pace the coaches want—and Morris is probably better suited for that role, especially given his relationship with Wes Jr.

A good argument, but Nate’s contrary argument is likewise persuasive. I just hope Unseld is open to finding which works best rather than locking in on one rotation or the other, not really a competition but let training camp, preseason, and initial games reveal the solution. I’m a FakeGM rather than a RealCoach, so I can’t predict which of the two would be most effective in which role.

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Checks back in to see how the old heads are reacting to the offseason.

Sees PIF is still in insufferable blowhard who shares his every idle thought with the certitude of a flat-earther....

-- Well I hope you at least check back in to read me acknowledge -- to you & anyone else who cares -- how totally wrong I was!

I'm wrong frequently -- why wouldn't I be? OTOH, I'm pretty sure I don't call people names; I don't write insulting words about my fellow posters on the board.

Then again... now that you've gotten that off your chest, why don't you visit more often & post your thoughts, fishercob? I'd welcome that, & I'm sure others would as well.

Hope you do -- & if so please feel free to point it out every time I'm stupid, slow, categorical, self-important, or an idiot in any other way! I deserve it, & I can handle it too.

Fish, AFM has been negligent in his responsibilities and could use your help.

Right... not to mention that jwizmentality hasn't given me a hard time in ages!

OTOH, Illuminaire read me out -- but I fixed him! I apologized!

[Illuminaire]

Right... not to mention that jwizmentality hasn't given me a hard time in ages!

OTOH, Illuminaire read me out -- but I fixed him! I apologized!

PIF and I have a tempestuous relationship wherein his specific method of argumentation is aerosolized gasoline to the fire that is mine... but I still love him and we'd have a blast watching games in a bar or debating things on a podcast.

We're practically sitcom characters at this point.

[doclinkin]

Right... not to mention that jwizmentality hasn't given me a hard time in ages!

OTOH, Illuminaire read me out -- but I fixed him! I apologized!

PIF and I have a tempestuous relationship wherein his specific method of argumentation is aerosolized gasoline to the fire that is mine... but I still love him and we'd have a blast watching games in a bar or debating things on a podcast.

We're practically sitcom characters at this point.

I'd watch that show. Though I'm picturing two cranky Muppets sitting in a box seat cracking on each other and sports in general.

I think there is room for a rated R bar room/barbershop commentary feed for the NBA. If I had that option instead of Kutcher/Drew for my local feed, I'd have tuned in every time.

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Right... not to mention that jwizmentality hasn't given me a hard time in ages!

OTOH, Illuminaire read me out -- but I fixed him! I apologized!

PIF and I have a tempestuous relationship wherein his specific method of argumentation is aerosolized gasoline to the fire that is mine... but I still love him and we'd have a blast watching games in a bar or debating things on a podcast.

We're practically sitcom characters at this point.

ROFLOL -- ain't it the truth!

Weirdly, I feel that everything is changing: now that we have no hope at all, it's hardly worth having arguments!

(...don't take that seriously anyone: there is always hope & it's always having... well, not necessarily an argument but at least a somewhat civilized debate!)

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Right... not to mention that jwizmentality hasn't given me a hard time in ages!

OTOH, Illuminaire read me out -- but I fixed him! I apologized!

PIF and I have a tempestuous relationship wherein his specific method of argumentation is aerosolized gasoline to the fire that is mine... but I still love him and we'd have a blast watching games in a bar or debating things on a podcast.

We're practically sitcom characters at this point.

I'd watch that show. Though I'm picturing two cranky Muppets sitting in a box seat cracking on each other and sports in general.

I think there is room for a rated R bar room/barbershop commentary feed for the NBA. If I had that option instead of Kutcher/Drew for my local feed, I'd have tuned in every time.

Two!?!? Who you kidding? We've got at least the full cast of SNL. &, of course, because I am the oldest most mature, it is incumbent upon me to keep the tone civil.

...& there you have the problem in a nutshell!