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[Catchall]

Looking at potential trades, it's super difficult to get what we would want, young all star talent, picks with young players. The rookie designated extension really restricts what we can do with Simmons on the roster. Anyway, here are some trade ideas:

I prefer Simmons to stay and be the guy who shows everyone how good he is. But only the 1st trade keeps Simmons because I see lots of smoke about some sort of Simmons for Mitchell type deals.

Nets, Lakers, Raptors and Pacers trade
KD, Irving out with OG, Barnes, Boucher and Turner coming back plus picks.
Nets Roster Post trade

Simmons / Mills
Harris / Curry / Thomas / Duke
OG / O'Neale / Edwards
Barnes / Boucher /
Turner / Claxton / Sharpe

Other trade ideas.

Trade KD to Raptors, Simmons to Jazz and Irving to LA.
Get Westbrook, Mitchell, OG, Barnes, Boucher & picks
Starting 5

Westbrook
Mitchell
OG
Barnes
Claxton

Next trade would be with New Orleans.
Trade KD to New Orleans, Simmons to Jazz and Irving to LA.
Get Westbrook, Mitchell, Ingram, Hayes, Jones and Daniels (really like Daniels as a prospect. Think he is similar to Simmons with his size and defensive ability and is also Australian).

Westbrook
Mitchell
Ingram
O'Neale
Claxton

Next trade would be to GSW.
Would have to be complicated but would end up with us getting Kuminga, Wiseman, Poole, Turner and salary filler from Trailblazers with lots of picks. Could send Turner elsewhere as well. But team would be building with Simmons, Poole, Kuminga and Wiseman.

I need to stop this haha but it really is difficult to get true value for Irving, KD and even Simmons who's value is at it's lowest right now. My favorite trades would bring back Barnes & OG or Kuminga & Wiseman and Poole. The designated rookie extension rule really makes things difficult. I could see the Nets moving Simmons for Mitchell. Having Mitchell, OG & Barnes would be nice or Mitchell, Poole, Kuminga & Wiseman.

Have you heard any actual rumor that would suggest the Jazz would trade Mitchell for Ben Simmons? From what I've heard, Simmons is regarded as a diva max player, who just sat out an entire season, needed counseling for anxiety issues and just had back surgery. The Jazz don't want to touch him at all, let alone trade Mitchell for him.

If the Jazz step in to help facilitate KD to PHX, the Jazz are going to want Ayton, Cam Johnson and multiple picks/swaps as a starting point. Actually, Jazz think they can trade for Ayton with Bogdanovic/Conley and a 1st or two.

[WuTang_CMB]

What are you guys looking for from PHX?

[drchaos]

If KD and Kyrie both go out the door here is what is left:

Under 30

Ben Simmons 25 PG
Nicolas Claxton 23 PF / C
Cameron Thomas 20 SG
Day'ron Sharpe 20 C
Royce O'Neil 29 SF

Over 30
Joe Harris 30 SG - 2 Years
Seth Curry 30 SG - 2 Years
Patty Mills 34 PG - Expiring Contract

Two Way

Kessler Edwards SF
Aldones Williams G

This is a team that has a lot of needs when our two big stars are gone.

[Netaman]

What are you guys looking for from PHX?

It seems like they (the nets) don't love Ayton so it's less what they are looking for from Phoenix and more seeing what he/picks can get them from a 3rd team. the most obvious example of an admittedly complicated deal would be a 4 or 5 team deal with Mitchell coming to the nets with other pieces, KD going to Phoenix, and picks/Ayton going to Utah (and Simmons to a separate team).

My own personal opinion though - if Phoenix put Ayton, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and max picks/swaps on the table I'd do that deal.

Given that they have more urgency to get something done than anyone else with Ayton's impending FA I'd be surprised if Phoenix hasn't already expressed a willingness to do a deal along those lines. Would the Nets pass on it in hopes of something better down the road? I don't think I would.

[WuTang_CMB]

What are you guys looking for from PHX?

It seems like they (the nets) don't love Ayton so it's less what they are looking for from Phoenix and more seeing what he/picks can get them from a 3rd team. the most obvious example of an admittedly complicated deal would be a 4 or 5 team deal with Mitchell coming to the nets with other pieces, KD going to Phoenix, and picks/Ayton going to Utah (and Simmons to a separate team).

My own personal opinion though - if Phoenix put Ayton, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and max picks/swaps on the table I'd do that deal.

Given that they have more urgency to get something done than anyone else with Ayton's impending FA I'd be surprised if Phoenix hasn't already expressed a willingness to do a deal along those lines. Would the Nets pass on it in hopes of something better down the road? I don't think I would.

Seems fair but I think Ayton would have to take less than the max to make it work for both teams.

This one is out here for as long as Deandre Ayton remains unsigned, but there are multiple complications.

For starters, an actual direct trade with Phoenix gets tripped up almost immediately by two bits of salary cap arcana: first, that the Nets are too far past the luxury tax apron to take back Ayton in a sign-and-trade; and second, that Ayton’s “base-year” status prevents Phoenix from taking back all of his first-year salary as a match.

The Nets, for what it’s worth, seemed to actively rain in on the Ayton parade with their other moves in free agency. Adding O’Neale and paying Nic Claxton starting-center level money makes it more difficult to stay below the apron in an Ayton sign-and-trade, and also removes some of their motivation to add him.

This is why another type of Ayton deal now seems the more likely end-game: One where the Suns trade Ayton to get Durant, but not to the Nets. A three-way Ayton-Durant trade is massively simpler because it takes the apron out of play. Obviously, the Utah Jazz would be the key intermediary here after just trading Rudy Gobert to Minnesota.

Phoenix would still be bound by the “base-year” rule regarding Ayton trades, but if we assume a starting salary for Ayton in the $25-27 million range, the Suns could get to a salary match on Durant by adding about $22 million in salary in addition to Ayton. They could do it with either Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson, or with Jae Crowder, Cameron Payne and Cam Johnson. To do this same move and skirt the luxury tax, Phoenix could add Landry Shamet to the deal.

[Netaman]

What are you guys looking for from PHX?

It seems like they (the nets) don't love Ayton so it's less what they are looking for from Phoenix and more seeing what he/picks can get them from a 3rd team. the most obvious example of an admittedly complicated deal would be a 4 or 5 team deal with Mitchell coming to the nets with other pieces, KD going to Phoenix, and picks/Ayton going to Utah (and Simmons to a separate team).

My own personal opinion though - if Phoenix put Ayton, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and max picks/swaps on the table I'd do that deal.

Given that they have more urgency to get something done than anyone else with Ayton's impending FA I'd be surprised if Phoenix hasn't already expressed a willingness to do a deal along those lines. Would the Nets pass on it in hopes of something better down the road? I don't think I would.

Seems fair but I think Ayton would have to take less than the max to make it work for both teams.

This one is out here for as long as Deandre Ayton remains unsigned, but there are multiple complications.

For starters, an actual direct trade with Phoenix gets tripped up almost immediately by two bits of salary cap arcana: first, that the Nets are too far past the luxury tax apron to take back Ayton in a sign-and-trade; and second, that Ayton’s “base-year” status prevents Phoenix from taking back all of his first-year salary as a match.

The Nets, for what it’s worth, seemed to actively rain in on the Ayton parade with their other moves in free agency. Adding O’Neale and paying Nic Claxton starting-center level money makes it more difficult to stay below the apron in an Ayton sign-and-trade, and also removes some of their motivation to add him.

This is why another type of Ayton deal now seems the more likely end-game: One where the Suns trade Ayton to get Durant, but not to the Nets. A three-way Ayton-Durant trade is massively simpler because it takes the apron out of play. Obviously, the Utah Jazz would be the key intermediary here after just trading Rudy Gobert to Minnesota.

Phoenix would still be bound by the “base-year” rule regarding Ayton trades, but if we assume a starting salary for Ayton in the $25-27 million range, the Suns could get to a salary match on Durant by adding about $22 million in salary in addition to Ayton. They could do it with either Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson, or with Jae Crowder, Cameron Payne and Cam Johnson. To do this same move and skirt the luxury tax, Phoenix could add Landry Shamet to the deal.

There are a lot of complications with it but if they include the kyrie/westbrook swap and westbrook goes to a team with cap room the nets can save enough total $ that they get under the apron.

in this trade the nets shave $37m off their overall cap which brings them down around $140m. SAS absorb $35m into their cap, but pretty much all of that is expiring and they offload Doug McDermott's deal which has 2 years left. For their troubles I gave them Cam Thomas and presumably they'd also get a FRP in return for accommodating Westbrook.

[N Ireland Nets]

Looking at potential trades, it's super difficult to get what we would want, young all star talent, picks with young players. The rookie designated extension really restricts what we can do with Simmons on the roster. Anyway, here are some trade ideas:

I prefer Simmons to stay and be the guy who shows everyone how good he is. But only the 1st trade keeps Simmons because I see lots of smoke about some sort of Simmons for Mitchell type deals.

Nets, Lakers, Raptors and Pacers trade
KD, Irving out with OG, Barnes, Boucher and Turner coming back plus picks.
Nets Roster Post trade

Simmons / Mills
Harris / Curry / Thomas / Duke
OG / O'Neale / Edwards
Barnes / Boucher /
Turner / Claxton / Sharpe

Other trade ideas.

Trade KD to Raptors, Simmons to Jazz and Irving to LA.
Get Westbrook, Mitchell, OG, Barnes, Boucher & picks
Starting 5

Westbrook
Mitchell
OG
Barnes
Claxton

Next trade would be with New Orleans.
Trade KD to New Orleans, Simmons to Jazz and Irving to LA.
Get Westbrook, Mitchell, Ingram, Hayes, Jones and Daniels (really like Daniels as a prospect. Think he is similar to Simmons with his size and defensive ability and is also Australian).

Westbrook
Mitchell
Ingram
O'Neale
Claxton

Next trade would be to GSW.
Would have to be complicated but would end up with us getting Kuminga, Wiseman, Poole, Turner and salary filler from Trailblazers with lots of picks. Could send Turner elsewhere as well. But team would be building with Simmons, Poole, Kuminga and Wiseman.

I need to stop this haha but it really is difficult to get true value for Irving, KD and even Simmons who's value is at it's lowest right now. My favorite trades would bring back Barnes & OG or Kuminga & Wiseman and Poole. The designated rookie extension rule really makes things difficult. I could see the Nets moving Simmons for Mitchell. Having Mitchell, OG & Barnes would be nice or Mitchell, Poole, Kuminga & Wiseman.

Have you heard any actual rumor that would suggest the Jazz would trade Mitchell for Ben Simmons? From what I've heard, Simmons is regarded as a diva max player, who just sat out an entire season, needed counseling for anxiety issues and just had back surgery. The Jazz don't want to touch him at all, let alone trade Mitchell for him.

If the Jazz step in to help facilitate KD to PHX, the Jazz are going to want Ayton, Cam Johnson and multiple picks/swaps as a starting point. Actually, Jazz think they can trade for Ayton with Bogdanovic/Conley and a 1st or two.

Yes

[MrDollarBills]

What are you guys looking for from PHX?

It seems like they (the nets) don't love Ayton so it's less what they are looking for from Phoenix and more seeing what he/picks can get them from a 3rd team. the most obvious example of an admittedly complicated deal would be a 4 or 5 team deal with Mitchell coming to the nets with other pieces, KD going to Phoenix, and picks/Ayton going to Utah (and Simmons to a separate team).

My own personal opinion though - if Phoenix put Ayton, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and max picks/swaps on the table I'd do that deal.

Given that they have more urgency to get something done than anyone else with Ayton's impending FA I'd be surprised if Phoenix hasn't already expressed a willingness to do a deal along those lines. Would the Nets pass on it in hopes of something better down the road? I don't think I would.

Seems fair but I think Ayton would have to take less than the max to make it work for both teams.

This one is out here for as long as Deandre Ayton remains unsigned, but there are multiple complications.

For starters, an actual direct trade with Phoenix gets tripped up almost immediately by two bits of salary cap arcana: first, that the Nets are too far past the luxury tax apron to take back Ayton in a sign-and-trade; and second, that Ayton’s “base-year” status prevents Phoenix from taking back all of his first-year salary as a match.

The Nets, for what it’s worth, seemed to actively rain in on the Ayton parade with their other moves in free agency. Adding O’Neale and paying Nic Claxton starting-center level money makes it more difficult to stay below the apron in an Ayton sign-and-trade, and also removes some of their motivation to add him.

This is why another type of Ayton deal now seems the more likely end-game: One where the Suns trade Ayton to get Durant, but not to the Nets. A three-way Ayton-Durant trade is massively simpler because it takes the apron out of play. Obviously, the Utah Jazz would be the key intermediary here after just trading Rudy Gobert to Minnesota.

Phoenix would still be bound by the “base-year” rule regarding Ayton trades, but if we assume a starting salary for Ayton in the $25-27 million range, the Suns could get to a salary match on Durant by adding about $22 million in salary in addition to Ayton. They could do it with either Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson, or with Jae Crowder, Cameron Payne and Cam Johnson. To do this same move and skirt the luxury tax, Phoenix could add Landry Shamet to the deal.

Nets want an All Star and 4 to 5 1st round picks. Phoenix doesn't have that for trade

[WuTang_CMB]

It seems like they (the nets) don't love Ayton so it's less what they are looking for from Phoenix and more seeing what he/picks can get them from a 3rd team. the most obvious example of an admittedly complicated deal would be a 4 or 5 team deal with Mitchell coming to the nets with other pieces, KD going to Phoenix, and picks/Ayton going to Utah (and Simmons to a separate team).

My own personal opinion though - if Phoenix put Ayton, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and max picks/swaps on the table I'd do that deal.

Given that they have more urgency to get something done than anyone else with Ayton's impending FA I'd be surprised if Phoenix hasn't already expressed a willingness to do a deal along those lines. Would the Nets pass on it in hopes of something better down the road? I don't think I would.

Seems fair but I think Ayton would have to take less than the max to make it work for both teams.

This one is out here for as long as Deandre Ayton remains unsigned, but there are multiple complications.

For starters, an actual direct trade with Phoenix gets tripped up almost immediately by two bits of salary cap arcana: first, that the Nets are too far past the luxury tax apron to take back Ayton in a sign-and-trade; and second, that Ayton’s “base-year” status prevents Phoenix from taking back all of his first-year salary as a match.

The Nets, for what it’s worth, seemed to actively rain in on the Ayton parade with their other moves in free agency. Adding O’Neale and paying Nic Claxton starting-center level money makes it more difficult to stay below the apron in an Ayton sign-and-trade, and also removes some of their motivation to add him.

This is why another type of Ayton deal now seems the more likely end-game: One where the Suns trade Ayton to get Durant, but not to the Nets. A three-way Ayton-Durant trade is massively simpler because it takes the apron out of play. Obviously, the Utah Jazz would be the key intermediary here after just trading Rudy Gobert to Minnesota.

Phoenix would still be bound by the “base-year” rule regarding Ayton trades, but if we assume a starting salary for Ayton in the $25-27 million range, the Suns could get to a salary match on Durant by adding about $22 million in salary in addition to Ayton. They could do it with either Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson, or with Jae Crowder, Cameron Payne and Cam Johnson. To do this same move and skirt the luxury tax, Phoenix could add Landry Shamet to the deal.

Nets want an All Star and 4 to 5 1st round picks. Phoenix doesn't have that for trade

lets say these are the final deals. Which would you take?

PHX offers: Ayton (he accepts less), Bridges, Johnson and 3 picks.
Miami offer: Herro, Duncan Robison, Lowry, 3 picks
Toronto offers: OG, Trent and 3 picks

What deal would you prefer?

[MrDollarBills]

Seems fair but I think Ayton would have to take less than the max to make it work for both teams.

Nets want an All Star and 4 to 5 1st round picks. Phoenix doesn't have that for trade

lets say these are the final deals. Which would you take?

PHX offers: Ayton (he accepts less), Bridges, Johnson and 3 picks.
Miami offer: Herro, Duncan Robison, Lowry, 3 picks
Toronto offers: OG, Trent and 3 picks

What deal would you prefer?

Frankly? None of them. Durant is under contract for four years, there is no reason to accept less than fair value for a top 10 player.

[WuTang_CMB]

Nets want an All Star and 4 to 5 1st round picks. Phoenix doesn't have that for trade

lets say these are the final deals. Which would you take?

PHX offers: Ayton (he accepts less), Bridges, Johnson and 3 picks.
Miami offer: Herro, Duncan Robison, Lowry, 3 picks
Toronto offers: OG, Trent and 3 picks

What deal would you prefer?

Frankly? None of them. Durant is under contract for four years, there is no reason to accept less than fair value for a top 10 player.

ok but lets say tsai and marks dont want to go through a simmons situation and feel the pressure of making a deal this off-season, which would u take

[Netaman]

lets say these are the final deals. Which would you take?

PHX offers: Ayton (he accepts less), Bridges, Johnson and 3 picks.
Miami offer: Herro, Duncan Robison, Lowry, 3 picks
Toronto offers: OG, Trent and 3 picks

What deal would you prefer?

Frankly? None of them. Durant is under contract for four years, there is no reason to accept less than fair value for a top 10 player.

ok but lets say tsai and marks dont want to go through a simmons situation and feel the pressure of making a deal this off-season, which would u take

im taking that PHX deal. to beat it Toronto would need to add FVV or Barnes in. Trent and Johnson are similar. Bridges is better than OG (imo) and Ayton is a solid asset. Phoenix picks are better than Toronto's too.

if Toronto adds FVV though I think it swings things back to Toronto. I know that leaves them short in the backcourt but i think there'd be a way to find an extra team to send them a guard as part of the kyrie/westbrook swap (like utah takes westrbook and then sends Mike Conley to Toronto).

[CalamityX12]

Finally back from vacation and I wanna post!

Lol

Starters, hard to envision the soon to be rebuild with Nash sticking around...

Nash gotta go, like now. With or without KD, kick that ass out!

[CalamityX12]

Apparently the only players worth taking back, aside from Ingram, are ineligible due to a stupid ass rule...

So if that's the case, best trade is no trade almost...

Unless we're talking about some earth moving pieces

[CalamityX12]

And heck nooooooo to Zion.. he'll mo

[Netaman]

I personally really like Bridges and FVV as potential headliners.

Bridges was first team defense and got votes for dpoy. he's an elite 3 & d. championship pedigree at nova. Solid contract for 4 years. Him and Simmons together are building blocks for an elite perimeter defense. I'm not saying I think he's going to have the Kawhi type ascension but I wouldn't say he can't do that either.

FVV is all toughness and his shooting is a really nice compliment to Simmons. He was rumored to be nearing a 4 year extension at $110m so that would be part of the deal for me.

Those are 2 guys who can be your 2nd or 3rd best player in a championship lineup. And obviously you hope Simmons can also be on that level. There are only a handful of guys with the upside to be #1's for a championship team, which is why KD is going to bring back what he will even at 34.

Ayton, OG, Cam Johnson, GTJ are all solid extra pieces with picks. I like them in basically that order.

[TheNetsFan]

Nets want an All Star and 4 to 5 1st round picks. Phoenix doesn't have that for trade

lets say these are the final deals. Which would you take?

PHX offers: Ayton (he accepts less), Bridges, Johnson and 3 picks.
Miami offer: Herro, Duncan Robison, Lowry, 3 picks
Toronto offers: OG, Trent and 3 picks

What deal would you prefer?

Frankly? None of them. Durant is under contract for four years, there is no reason to accept less than fair value for a top 10 player.

Agreed. None are good enough, but Phoenix is closest and will likely offer all the possible picks and swaps.

Toronto needs to offer 2 of Barnes/Siakam/OG plus a couple of picks if they want KD.

For the Nets' Rebuilding purposes, factoring in age and contracts:

Barnes>Bridges>Siakam>Ayton>OG.

Phoenix picks > Toronto picks (I expect Toronto to have more staying power. Phoenix would drop off more post KD and Paul.)

GTJ is nice, but not a needle mover. The Nets will be focused on longer term upside and value over depth pieces. When you get to the third incoming player in the deal salary flexibility is king. The key is walking away with the two highest upside guys possible and a boatload of picks.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Let me preface this by saying I would absolutely prefer the route of getting a face-of-the-franchise potential type of superstar like Zion or Mitchell in return for KD and essentially Simmons since they can't get one of those guys without moving him as well, but let's just say for whatever they can't work out a trade like that for whatever reason and the Nets front office prefers to move on from KD this off-season (which in this scenario I wouldn't advocate, he is under contract so absolutely no need to rush). How would everyone feel about a 3-team trade like this:

Nets in: Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, OG
Nets out: KD

Warriors in: KD
Warriors out: Wiggins, Poole, Kuminga, Wiseman

TOR in: Wiggins
TOR out: OG

There would be of course have to be some other players added into the deal for salary matching purposes and some picks included to make it fair (I will let you guys discuss that point further if you would like, but I imagined the nets would received a few picks in the deal as well) - but for the crux of the trade is concerned I think it is pretty fair all around. Raptors move an unhappy player for Wiggins, who is coming off an all star appearance and a championship ring filled season. As well as the fact that he grew up in Canada. Warriors get back KD who has chemistry with the warriors stars already. And I think the nets would get a pretty versatile lineup that has a good combination of youth and offensive-defensive potential.

Simmons/Curry/?
Poole/Harris/Cam
OG/O'Neal/Duke
Kuminga/Edwards/?
Wiseman/Claxton/Sharpe

I know this lineup is younger than most fans would probably want the team to go and it maybe not be the most competitive team the nets could build this off-season right off the bat. Ben Simmons would be the oldest starter at the start of the season at age 26. Plus you can also factor in whatever assets the Nets could get from flipping Irving. I personally don't see it as even a remote possibility, but getting back Tyler Herro and salary fillers for Irving is what I would want to happen. If that trade were somehow to occur, the Herro would be the perfect 6th man. Or Poole can be the 6th man and Herro could start.

[MGrand15]

Seems fair but I think Ayton would have to take less than the max to make it work for both teams.

Nets want an All Star and 4 to 5 1st round picks. Phoenix doesn't have that for trade

lets say these are the final deals. Which would you take?

PHX offers: Ayton (he accepts less), Bridges, Johnson and 3 picks.
Miami offer: Herro, Duncan Robison, Lowry, 3 picks
Toronto offers: OG, Trent and 3 picks

What deal would you prefer?

I would love a trade that's clearly a home run but I think the Phoenix deal is the best one there. I seem to be higher on Ayton though than a lot of people. I think he could easily be an all star. I'm also super high on Bridges and Johnson as roleplayers. I think the Phoenix picks are the most valuable too. Phoenix would be banking on KD + CP3 who are older and not super durable + they seem to be shaky with ownership / front office.

I like OG a lot but as the main piece on this trade, I'd be kinda bummed.

[sonnyhill]

What is the issue that KD has with the Nets and why is he requesting a trade?

I have no clarity on this, at all.