Who is the Worst Career 20ppg+ Scorers

[tsherkin]

All time? There are guys on that list that I have never seen play, but I'd go with Shaq. Pretty low shooting percentage for a guy that close to the basket. Top 5 worst FT% ever. Large number of turnovers etc.

What? Low shooting percentage? This has to be /s, right?

Edit: 10x FG% leader (as a volume scorer), who shot 74.5% inside 3 feet?

[Ray Donovan]

Of all the above mentioned who would be considered the best passer of this posse ?

[jfs1000d]

Mitch Richmond.

Yes, a six time All-Star Mitch Richmond.

During his prime seasons in SAC he played in a grand total of 4 playoff games. One win.
Also averaged below 4 rebs. Pretty bleak for a guy with his frame.

Didn't do much besides scoring.

Richmond was awesome. What you talking. About?

And Big Dog Robinson was very good.


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[jfs1000d]

Probably the recent ones since defense isn't allowed and it's so easy to score in the league these days

Was defense allowed in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html

Int he 80s they did t have these ridiculous rules on perimeter contact. Stef Curry would be a 15 pog scorer in the 80s.


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[Plossum]

Kevin Martin.

[OmniDEN]

Mike James

[OmniDEN]

OJ Mayo?
Corey Maggette?

Pretty sure Mayo didn’t sniff 20ppg for a season let alone for his career

Well...18.5PPG in his rookie year. Not quite 20 but also not "didn't sniff 20".

[MrGoat]

Kyrie Irving

[Swish1906]

I immediately looked up Shareef Abdur-Rahim’s career scoring average when I saw this thread.

18.1ppg. Doesn’t quite meet the threshold.

Me too

was for like 8-9 years a 20PPG guy and then wrecked his averages in his last years...but boy was he weirdly irrelevant

[tsherkin]

Probably the recent ones since defense isn't allowed and it's so easy to score in the league these days

Was defense allowed in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s?


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html

Int he 80s they did t have these ridiculous rules on perimeter contact. Stef Curry would be a 15 pog scorer in the 80s.


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that is obviously nonsense.

[sip]

If we are talking about strictly one season them I'm going with Michael Adams. During the 90-91 season for a horrible Nuggets team he average 26.5pts a game shooting 39% from the field and 30% from 3. Sometimes bad teams just need guys to take shots and that was definitely the case with Adams that year.

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[jokeboy86]

Mike James - 2005, free chucking season

WHO?

[HollowEarth]

Mashburn?

Wash your mouth. That dude was a beast and a true point forward. He'd be great in today's game.

No but for real, he was stank garbage as a scorer. Career 96 TS+ guy whose three best seasons were 102, 102 and 101 TS+. 50.4% TS on his career, five seasons under 50%. Yeah, he could do some other things around that, but he was a BAD scorer at the NBA level.

I guess this is both an indictment and a defense of Mashburn but on the Hornets the gameplan involved him taking tough shots. He put up a lot of long and contested 2 pointers. How many guys in the league today are getting plays drawn up for high post fadeaways? Maybe Kevin Durant?

On topic: Glenn Robinson is the only one of the OP's guys where I've seen full games. And it's got me thinking that it was really viewed more favorably back in the 90's to early 2000's to take tough/bad shots.

[tsherkin]

I guess this is both an indictment and a defense of Mashburn but on the Hornets the gameplan involved him taking tough shots. He put up a lot of long and contested 2 pointers. How many guys in the league today are getting plays drawn up for high post fadeaways? Maybe Kevin Durant?

Cross-era stuff is always challenging but je was persistently inefficient even in a low-efficiency era, even before Charlotte. I honestly dont think Charlotte's gameplan mattered much.

On topic: Glenn Robinson is the only one of the OP's guys where I've seen full games. And it's got me thinking that it was really viewed more favorably back in the 90's to early 2000's to take tough/bad shots.

It was. There was all sorts of prevailing mistakes in strategy at the time. And also, they werent necessarily understood to be bad shots at the time, no less. There was the hero ball mystique idiocy and overemphasis on isolation, but whole offenses were built around getting clear for elbow and baseline jumpers, right? And elbow post and such, right? Esp for a dude like Big Dogg.

[Courant]

As a Piston fan, I hate to admit it, but it might be Dave Bing. Great man, outstanding citizen, good shooter. Won't say anything negative to be polite to the Piston's franchise player at a time when they were mostly horrible. I think he won 1 playoff series in his long career.

There is a difference between a great player on a bad team and a bad scorer, though. Not only is he a hall of famer, but Dave Bing was a fluid, well-rounded scorer who could score from outside, in the mid-range and was explosive going to the basket. Bing is hardly the guy I would consider for this dubious distinction.

[xfactor99]

He didn't average 20 ppg for his career but he did finish with 20,000 career points so I feel like he qualifies for the spirit of this question - Antawn Jamison was the epitome of empty calories scorer. Total black hole who didn't make his teammates better and wasn't efficient enough to make up for it. And his defense was terrible. Dude was too slow to guard faster players and too small for stronger players.

[Courant]

Wash your mouth. That dude was a beast and a true point forward. He'd be great in today's game.

No but for real, he was stank garbage as a scorer. Career 96 TS+ guy whose three best seasons were 102, 102 and 101 TS+. 50.4% TS on his career, five seasons under 50%. Yeah, he could do some other things around that, but he was a BAD scorer at the NBA level.

I guess this is both an indictment and a defense of Mashburn but on the Hornets the gameplan involved him taking tough shots. He put up a lot of long and contested 2 pointers. How many guys in the league today are getting plays drawn up for high post fadeaways? Maybe Kevin Durant?

Even by the late 1990s and early 2000s standards, Jamal Mashburn was an inefficient shooter. He took a lot of unnecessary off-balance turnaround jump shots, which killed his shooting percentages. Despite being a massive small forward (6-foot-8, 250 lbs.), Mashburn rarely used his size in the post to his advantage enough. I also thought Mashburn should have been a better rebounder (career average of 5.4 rebounds per game).

It seemed like the more Mashburn was part of the offensive game plan, the lower his shooting percentage was. His best shooting percentage was .451 in 1998-99 when he was the third option in Miami after Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway. Not coincidentally, it was one of the lowest scoring averages of his career (14.8 points per game). Then again, Mashburn only played 23 games that season so his field goal percentage likely would have deviated to his norm (he was a career .418 from the field).

Conversely, Mashburn shot .436 in his highest-scoring season full season (24.1 points per game, 1994-95 in Dallas), .422 in 2002-03 (21.6 ppg, New Orleans), .402 in 2001-02 (21.5 ppg, New Orleans), and .413 in 2000-01 (20.1 ppg, Charlotte). In all these instances, he was the No. 1 (Charlotte/New Orleans) or strong No. 2 option (Dallas, behind Jimmy Jackson).

As for comparing Mashburn's shooting numbers to Allen Iverson's, Iverson gets the nod because he's one of the few players in NBA history who consistently averaged 30 points per game. Mashburn typically topped out at the low 20s.

[babyjax13]

Kevin Martin.

17.4ppg career average : )

[tsherkin]

As for comparing Mashburn's shooting numbers to Allen Iverson's, Iverson gets the nod because he's one of the few players in NBA history who consistently averaged 30 points per game. Mashburn typically topped out at the low 20s.

AI in his lower-volume seasons was about as efficient as the best Mash ever managed. More so in the post-handchecking league. At some point, efficiency erodes with huge volume in the absence of elite shooting. AI took a lot of long twos and wasnt a competent 3pt shooter, so it took some off his efficiency, but he was always a better scorer than Mash, for sure. And a better playmaker/overall offensive player as well.

In AI's best seasons, he was like a +5, +6 OBPM kind of guy. That isnt world-beating (and is only one metric, too), but worlds better than the best Mash ever managed. I imagine he looks similarly superior in RAPM, any of ElGee's metrics and so forth. But even strictly from a scoring POV, obviously better. Not so much because of the volume, though. That's just minutes played and shooting volume. But the whole profile of his draw rate, his iso skills, his efficiency at lower volume, all of that paints a very clear picture kf him as the better actual threat to get a decent shot and score.

[Long2_noD]

Mitch Richmond.

Yes, a six time All-Star Mitch Richmond.

During his prime seasons in SAC he played in a grand total of 4 playoff games. One win.
Also averaged below 4 rebs. Pretty bleak for a guy with his frame.

Didn't do much besides scoring.

Blasphemy!

The fact that he even made the playoffs with most of those rosters is an achievement in itself.

Most? Rosters? Why do you imply plurality?
He made the playoffs ONCE as a top dog in SAC. More All-Star and All-NBA teams than playoff games. Go find me a similar guy.

Yes, he was decent as a second, third fiddle on an ok GSW team. But that's about it.