2023 NBA Draft

[Duke4life831]

How the mighty have fallen. Emoni Bates going to Eastern Michigan...

I get what he's doing, no doubt he wants to go to a smaller school where he can be a super high usage guy. Also gets to play in the MAC which doesnt have a ton of tall wing athletes.

But even if he puts up a lot of raw numbers (doubt the efficiency will be great), I doubt NBA teams will be all that impressed. I feel like the #1 thing Bates can show is that he can play an impactful role inside a team system. No team is drafting Bates next year with the idea of handing him the keys to the offense and letting him be a high usage guy. And that will be his role at Eastern Michigan

[jman3134]

Think he is going there because of Stan Heath (it is like having a G League coach without getting exposed in the G League), but it still is a really bad move imo. You can't duck the high major competition and expect to be a 1st round pick, let alone a lotto pick. Feel sorry for the kid, as whoever is advising him is seriously leading him astray.

[babyjax13]

Jalen Hood-Schifino is kind of interesting, Monteverde, going to Indiana. Big guard that can pass with both hands. Not super explosive, shot looks like it needs a little work but isn't broken.

[Hal14]

are we sure Nick Smith is clearly better than Amari Bailey?

I'm not so sure. I feel like it's debatable. Yet Smith is being ranked around 4-7 range and Bailey is ranked like 9-15 range..

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[BostonCouchGM]

Think he is going there because of Stan Heath (it is like having a G League coach without getting exposed in the G League), but it still is a really bad move imo. You can't duck the high major competition and expect to be a 1st round pick, let alone a lotto pick. Feel sorry for the kid, as whoever is advising him is seriously leading him astray.

let's face it, he shouldn't have been hyped and rated so highly. That said, Patrick Baldwin just got taken in the first round and he tested horribly, played horribly, had injuries and ran from competition. NBA teams like 6'9" wings with potential. And we have no idea how Bates is going to play closer to home. Maybe he hit the gym and put on some lbs. Maybe he's tightened up his handle and his shot is deadly. Just have to wait and see. From what I saw, he knows what he's doing on both ends of the court. MEM was a disaster move for him.

[MemphisX]

are we sure Nick Smith is clearly better than Amari Bailey?

I'm not so sure. I feel like it's debatable. Yet Smith is being ranked around 4-7 range and Bailey is ranked like 9-15 range..

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IMO I do not think it is close. Amari Bailey is going to need to really shoot it to be a 1st rounder as a OAD.

[clyde21]

Bailey might be a better college player but Nick Smith is a better NBA prospect by a wide margin at this point imo unless Amari develops more playmaking juice or grows about two inches

[Jamaaliver]

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[Duke4life831]

Lots of rumors at the moment that GG Jackson (#1 for the 2023 recruiting class) is going to decommit from UNC and reclassify then commit to South Carolina. His birthday is also the 17th of December and turning 18 this year. So if he does reclassify, he would be age eligible for the 2023 draft (as young as you can pretty much be for the draft now).

[clyde21]

worth noting that the Thompson twins will be older than some Soph's this year

[Hal14]

I know it's too early to be getting to granular with actual rankings for this class..but don't sleep on Sidy Cissoko possibly going top 5.

Really like what I see from him so far..

[jrj202]

Baba Miller is a major sleeper

[tundraknight]

6’4”combo guard Terquavion Smith looks like he could be a good scorer if nothing else. He needs to improve his FT%. Under 70% is unacceptable.

[Almond2Oak]

Scoot Henderson signed a seven figure endorsement deal after completing what would have been his senior high school season in the G League. Once one of these young pros get drafted #1 overall, college will take a massive hit in recruiting top prospects even more than they already have.

I’d argue the complete opposite, once the OAD rule is gone. The G-league then will be gone. They can barely attract much as is, except for a few and now with NIL in play. Good luck as seen by the class of 22’ which I believe they snagged a whopping 4 kids in the national top 50.

i dont think they'll do away with the OAD now, funneling players at least for a year to the G League seems like the better long term play to make the GL a more viable developmental league

My apologies for the tardiness.. IMO, I could be wrong of course but the main factor is now NIL. Does the NBA want to get into bidding wars with boosters / re-alignment. The B1G for example now with addition of SC & UCLA will have its current members making 100m+ in revenue yearly of just tv revenue. That may seem like chump change to nba (which it is) and SEC will match those numbers but no longer will boosters be needed for “donations” that 25,35,40+m can now be funneled to recruits in FB & BB… instead of upgrades to facilities. Texas A&M just dropped 25m to secure the #1 and on paper GOAT CFB recruiting class.

Sharpe at UK got over 1.1-1.3m to never play a game at UK. Adidas and Nike can now in the open throw stupid money at recruits to ensure backend shoe deals. Does the G-League for example want to start offering 7 figure 1 year deals to HSSR? Plus the add ons like mlb offers to HS prospects (ie:college paid for, health insurance, signing bonus, etc..) If I’m the NBA, I say screw that, send them to college, let them play 30-40 games and dissect film and do live evals.

That’s why the removal of OAD is vital. You remove it, you’re gonna see mass exodus unfortunately and a lot of D’Angelo Collins, Lenny Cooke and even more Robert Swift, Kwame stories.

[SelfishPlayer]

I’d argue the complete opposite, once the OAD rule is gone. The G-league then will be gone. They can barely attract much as is, except for a few and now with NIL in play. Good luck as seen by the class of 22’ which I believe they snagged a whopping 4 kids in the national top 50.

i dont think they'll do away with the OAD now, funneling players at least for a year to the G League seems like the better long term play to make the GL a more viable developmental league

My apologies for the tardiness.. IMO, I could be wrong of course but the main factor is now NIL. Does the NBA want to get into bidding wars with boosters / re-alignment. The B1G for example now with addition of SC & UCLA will have its current members making 100m+ in revenue yearly of just tv revenue. That may seem like chump change to nba (which it is) and SEC will match those numbers but no longer will boosters be needed for “donations” that 25,35,40+m can now be funneled to recruits in FB & BB… instead of upgrades to facilities. Texas A&M just dropped 25m to secure the #1 and on paper GOAT CFB recruiting class.

Sharpe at UK got over 1.1-1.3m to never play a game at UK. Adidas and Nike can now in the open throw stupid money at recruits to ensure backend shoe deals. Does the G-League for example want to start offering 7 figure 1 year deals to HSSR? Plus the add ons like mlb offers to HS prospects (ie:college paid for, health insurance, signing bonus, etc..) If I’m the NBA, I say screw that, send them to college, let them play 30-40 games and dissect film and do live evals.

That’s why the removal of OAD is vital. You remove it, you’re gonna see mass exodus unfortunately and a lot of D’Angelo Collins, Lenny Cooke and even more Robert Swift, Kwame stories.

It is proven that the longer a basketball player stays in college, the higher the incidence of negative off court behavioral problems. Miles Bridges, Javaris Crittenton, Len Bias, and Jayson Williams all played college basketball. The high school guys that entered the NBA have exhibited less off court behavioral problems.

[Almond2Oak]

i dont think they'll do away with the OAD now, funneling players at least for a year to the G League seems like the better long term play to make the GL a more viable developmental league

My apologies for the tardiness.. IMO, I could be wrong of course but the main factor is now NIL. Does the NBA want to get into bidding wars with boosters / re-alignment. The B1G for example now with addition of SC & UCLA will have its current members making 100m+ in revenue yearly of just tv revenue. That may seem like chump change to nba (which it is) and SEC will match those numbers but no longer will boosters be needed for “donations” that 25,35,40+m can now be funneled to recruits in FB & BB… instead of upgrades to facilities. Texas A&M just dropped 25m to secure the #1 and on paper GOAT CFB recruiting class.

Sharpe at UK got over 1.1-1.3m to never play a game at UK. Adidas and Nike can now in the open throw stupid money at recruits to ensure backend shoe deals. Does the G-League for example want to start offering 7 figure 1 year deals to HSSR? Plus the add ons like mlb offers to HS prospects (ie:college paid for, health insurance, signing bonus, etc..) If I’m the NBA, I say screw that, send them to college, let them play 30-40 games and dissect film and do live evals.

That’s why the removal of OAD is vital. You remove it, you’re gonna see mass exodus unfortunately and a lot of D’Angelo Collins, Lenny Cooke and even more Robert Swift, Kwame stories.

It is proven that the longer a basketball player stays in college, the higher the incidence of negative off court behavioral problems. Miles Bridges, Javaris Crittenton, Len Bias, and Jayson Williams all played college basketball. The high school guys that entered the NBA have exhibited less off court behavioral problems.

The fact you’re switching the topic I’ll flow with, nevermind 30 HS prospects have been drafted from (KG)95-05’ (Lou) would show all this data is garbage and I know you certainly do t want to compare the D1 guys to HS because…. OUCH

[jrj202]

My early 2023 big board

1.Victor Wembanyama | C | ASVEL
2. Cam Whitemor | GF | Villanova
3. Dariq Whitehead | GF | Duke
4. Nick Smith | CG | Arkansas
5. Scoot Henderson | PG | G-League Ignite
6. Ausar Thompson | GF | Overtime Elite
7. Dillon Mitchell | F | Texas
8. Dereck Lively | C | Duke
9. Anthony Black | PG | Arkansas
10. Arthur Kaluma | F | Creighton
11. Amen Thompson | GF | Overtime Elite
12. Brandon Miller | F | Alabama
13. Keyonte George | GF | Baylor
14. Kel'el Ware | C | Oregon
15. Leonard Miller | F | G-League Ignite
16. Jordan Walsh | F | Arkansas
17. Terquavion Smith | CG | NC State
18. Amari Bailey | CG | UCLA
19. Carson Wallace | CG | Kentucky
20. Matthew Cleveland | GF | Florida State
21. Harrison Ingram | GF | Stanford
22. Kris Murray | F | Iowa
23. Kyle Filipowski | FC | Duke
24. Baba Miller | F | Florida State
25. Julian Strawther | F | Gonzaga
26. Trayce Jackson-Davis | FC | Indiana
27. Chris Livingston | GF | Kentucky
28. Caleb Love | CG | North Carolina
29. Mark Mitchell | F | Duke
30. Julian Phillips | F | Tennessee

[jrj202]

1. Houston: Victor Wembanyama | C | ASVEL
2. San Antonio: Scoot Henderson | PG | G-League Ignite
3. Orlando: Nick Smith | CG | Arkansas
4. Indiana: Cam Whitemore | GF | Villanova
5. Oklahoma City: Dariq Whitehead | GF | Duke
6. Detroit: Ausar Thompson | GF | Overtime Elite
7. Sacramento: Dillon Mitchell | F | Texas
8. Washington: Anthony Black | PG | Arkansas
9. Charlotte: Arthur Kalmua | F | Creighton
10. New York: Amen Thompson | GF | Overtime Elite
11. Utah: Dereck Lively | C | Duke
12. New Orleans (Via LAL): Kel'el Ware | C | Oregon
13. Portland: Brandon Miller | F | Alabama
14. Orlando (Via CHI): Keyonte George | GF | Baylor
15. LA Lakers (Via NOP): Amari Bailey | CG | UCLA
16. Indiana (Via CLE): Terquavion Smith | CG | NC State
17. Utah (Via MIN): Leonard Miller | F | G-League Ignite
18. San Antonio (Via ATL): Kyle Filipowski | FC | Duke
19. New York (Via DAL): Jordan Walsh | F | Arkansas
20. Philadelphia (Via BRK): Matthew Cleveland | GF | Florida State
21. Denver: Kris Murray | F | Iowa
22. Toronto: Carson Wallace | CG | Kentucky
23. LA Clippers: Caleb Love | CG | North Carolina
24. Utah (Via PHI): Baba Miller | F | Florida State
25. Phoenix: Harrison Ingram | GF | Stanford
26. Miami: Julian Strawther | F | Gonzaga
27. Memphis: Chris Livingston | GF | Kentucky
28. Indiana (via BOS): Julian Phillips | F | Tennessee
29. Houston (via MIL): Mark Mitchell | F | Duke
30. Golden State: Trayce Jackson-Davis | FC | Indiana

[babyjax13]

I am suddenly very invested in this draft.

[BostonCouchGM]

did a little bit of a dive into the 2023 class and it's kinda overrated imo. All I heard was 2022 is weak and 2023 is elite but imho 2023 isn't any better than 2022. It's obviously still early so things can change, it's just my initial thoughts. What will make or break this class is whether some of the slew of wings elevates over the others. Right now I see four special bigs in Wembanyama, Lively, Ware and Bona. Two potential special PGs in Henderson and Bailey then a whole bunch of toolsy wings with high upside but flaws like Whitehead, Whitmore, Jackson, Walker, Mitchell, B. Miller, Phillips, Thompson twins, Black, Smith, George and L. Miller. There's some decent returning upperclassmen too. Maybe a few guys will come out of nowhere and some of these wings will turn out to be special so the class will turn out great. We shall see