[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I think Marks has told Pelinka, I need a little more for Kyrie so we can save face. And Pelinka's said, look we're content just playing out this season with Westbrook and keeping our picks and cap next season, so find a better offer than ours so we can start bidding. And then everyone enjoyed the weekend.

Pelinka may say that, but he is under massive pressure to replace Westbrook with actual talent. The Nets can hold out longer.

The Nets can hold out until February, but with each passing month Kyrie's value goes down to other teams. It can't get rehabbed over the course of a season, if ever. His next extension will be his biggest and last.

Pelinka can either give up more assets to bring in Kyrie earlier for Lebron's 20th, and then be practically forced to re-sign Kyrie for the full max in 2023, or wait this out and have every resource available in 2023 especially if Lebron walks to play with his son.

If Kyrie is not willing teup his value in a contract year that's his problem.

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[NO-KG-AI]

Woj finally admitting on sports center, what others have been saying for awhile now, that the Nets have no where else to go but the Lakers at this point. That had to have been tough for him to do.

Yea like weve said if they want waste 35m on irving on sit him be my guest.

would russ be any better?

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35 mill for a guy sitting home, or 47 million for a guy that is a massive negative.

Easy choice to me, it's clear who is more desperate here lol.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Holding Kyrie isn't an option if I'm the Nets. Get a pick from the Lakers and move on, last thing you want is Kyrie coming into training camp and tanking the team (which is exactly what he would do if he wasn't traded) or this being a huge distraction hanging over the team all summer

[GunnerWRX]

Lakers' fans logic is always you don't need player X anyway, why don't you take Westbrook?

Kyrie will probably walk next summer, if not traded. But what's the purpose of taking Westbrook? The destination team will want to re-sign him?

[Karmaloop]

Nets are not dying for that Lakers draft pick. Especially if it means we have to give up Joe Harris too. And take on Westbrick.

Lakers are 10x more desperate. Nets can easily just tell Kyrie to sit and move on.

Let's stop pretending like Joe Harris is a huge asset. I thin you'd be pressed to call him neutral value at best.

[GunnerWRX]

Yea like weve said if they want waste 35m on irving on sit him be my guest.

would russ be any better?

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35 mill for a guy sitting home, or 47 million for a guy that is a massive negative.

Easy choice to me, it's clear who is more desperate here lol.

Exactly. Not having a better deal doesn't mean they should take Westbrook. It's not like they will try to re-sign Westbrook next summer anyway. They will let him walk. So what's the point of taking a massively negative player, who they will let walk next summer?

For the Lakers side, giving them Kyrie means they don't waste this season, plus they have the right to re-sign Kyrie with his Bird Rights next summer. Without it, they can try to use their TMLE for Kyrie or another player *next* summer, which they failed to do *this* summer.

Not saying the Nets aren't screwed looking at Kyrie now, but it is obvious who is more desperate, and who is fine without the trade.

[HiDef]

Even if nobody wants him now, the Nets could easily get a return for him at the deadline.

This is based on absolutely nothing.

Nothing except the years and years and years of teams trading first round picks at the deadline for guys they think can put them over the top.

All you guys have to offer is 2 firsts, some 2nds and Russell Westbrook. It's a low bar and the bar gets even lower if you guys think you're gonna pay less than that

[Pharmcat]

Nets are not dying for that Lakers draft pick. Especially if it means we have to give up Joe Harris too. And take on Westbrick.

Lakers are 10x more desperate. Nets can easily just tell Kyrie to sit and move on.

Let's stop pretending like Joe Harris is a huge asset. I thin you'd be pressed to call him neutral value at best.

Isn’t his defense terrible ?

[EArl]

I have no problem giving two first, but I would definitely want Seth and Joe in return.

Joe is neutral value with all his injuries at this point. Kyrie is an enigma. You could get one or the other depending on his mood. Its hard to tell which one. Maybe Lebron could reign him in or playing where Kobe played since he idolized him so much.

Im also fine just keeping Westbrook and finding a trade at the deadline. I dont think Kyrie necessarily puts us over the top.

[levon]

"the Lakers need this 10x more" despite all reports, including from the Nets side, indicating the Lakers haven't been aggressive at all to get Kyrie

"the Nets can just hold onto him until the deadline" do it then? like no ****, all trades are voluntary. nobody _has_ to trade for Kyrie and the Nets can just lose him for nothing or buy him out. there were murmurs Nets would rather stretch him or buy him out than have him back. yet somehow the Lakers are the weakling desperate party here with their paltry multiple picks and salary relief, with no one offering anyone else. the bias is frankly tiring

[lamscott]

Nets - Trade Kyrie and at least get something. No body wants Kyrie except for the Lakers so they aren't getting much are are pissed off about it.

Lakers - Give up something to get a chance to make the playoffs and a generational talent that is a head case.

[Vae Victus]

I think the Lakers are drawing a red line in that no future unprotected FRPs are outgoing. By 2027 the Lakers are likely a wasteland in the post Lebron era, so their FRPs are basically gonna be top 5 guaranteed.

Any team asking for multiple of them and/or pick swaps, needs to offer up some hardcore talent that the team can potentially build around along with AD.

Since no hardcore talent is coming back, why should the Lakers basically obliterate their future for non impact players in the short term.

If Jeannie Buss greenlights any such move and it blows up in her face (which it is likely to do), she's gonna be known as the worst Buss kid, as the team will continually suck from 2023 to 2029 and having NO top picks incoming to provide hope.

[Tha King]

Holding Kyrie isn't an option if I'm the Nets. Get a pick from the Lakers and move on, last thing you want is Kyrie coming into training camp and tanking the team (which is exactly what he would do if he wasn't traded) or this being a huge distraction hanging over the team all summer

He's a FA next year and will have a lot to play for. Sitting out or being a distraction will get him to that MLE he was apparently going to take.

[John Murdoch]

Lakers' fans logic is always you don't need player X anyway, why don't you take Westbrook?

Kyrie will probably walk next summer, if not traded. But what's the purpose of taking Westbrook? The destination team will want to re-sign him?

Huh? To match salaries obv...and picks will be inbolved . Cant wait till this is resolved

[akula1488]

Nets want to have 2 FRPs and taking on Harris contract..

Lakers probably want Curry with 1 FRP.

I dont think FRPs are the real issue, the real issue is Harris contract.

[nbafan38]

"the Lakers need this 10x more" despite all reports, including from the Nets side, indicating the Lakers haven't been aggressive at all to get Kyrie

"the Nets can just hold onto him until the deadline" do it then? like no ****, all trades are voluntary. nobody _has_ to trade for Kyrie and the Nets can just lose him for nothing or buy him out. there were murmurs Nets would rather stretch him or buy him out than have him back. yet somehow the Lakers are the weakling desperate party here with their paltry multiple picks and salary relief, with no one offering anyone else. the bias is frankly tiring

Is it possible all sides are biased and the truth is neither team is that desperate? The facts seem to support this as no trade has been made yet.

[nbafan38]

Holding Kyrie isn't an option if I'm the Nets. Get a pick from the Lakers and move on, last thing you want is Kyrie coming into training camp and tanking the team (which is exactly what he would do if he wasn't traded) or this being a huge distraction hanging over the team all summer

He's a FA next year and will have a lot to play for. Sitting out or being a distraction will get him to that MLE he was apparently going to take.

Yea pretty much. It would certainly not be in Kyries interests to sit out on a contract year. If i'm the nets my pitch to Kyrie, KD, and Simmons is look lets try to bring this back one more year and win it all, if it doesn't work out then Kyrie you're a FA and can do whatever you want and KD we'll trade you.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Woj finally admitting on sports center, what others have been saying for awhile now, that the Nets have no where else to go but the Lakers at this point. That had to have been tough for him to do.

Yea like weve said if they want waste 35m on irving on sit him be my guest.

would russ be any better?

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Russ gets released but you probably get a 1st abd maybe even a swap for your troubles. Nets sit on Irving they get nothing,

[levon]

"the Lakers need this 10x more" despite all reports, including from the Nets side, indicating the Lakers haven't been aggressive at all to get Kyrie

"the Nets can just hold onto him until the deadline" do it then? like no ****, all trades are voluntary. nobody _has_ to trade for Kyrie and the Nets can just lose him for nothing or buy him out. there were murmurs Nets would rather stretch him or buy him out than have him back. yet somehow the Lakers are the weakling desperate party here with their paltry multiple picks and salary relief, with no one offering anyone else. the bias is frankly tiring

Is it possible all sides are biased and the truth is neither team is that desperate? The facts seem to support this as no trade has been made yet.

That's not only possible, it's likely. I'm just pointing out that there's less noise about the Lakers being desperate than the Nets yet posters here are projecting that the Lakers have a terrible offer that will never work and that they'll need to throw in even more. Every time the Lakers identify a trade target, that guy turns into 2009 Lebron James and all of the Lakers' assets turn into top 89 protected 3rd round picks.

[JRoy]

I think the Lakers are drawing a red line in that no future unprotected FRPs are outgoing. By 2027 the Lakers are likely a wasteland in the post Lebron era, so their FRPs are basically gonna be top 5 guaranteed.

Any team asking for multiple of them and/or pick swaps, needs to offer up some hardcore talent that the team can potentially build around along with AD.

Since no hardcore talent is coming back, why should the Lakers basically obliterate their future for non impact players in the short term.

If Jeannie Buss greenlights any such move and it blows up in her face (which it is likely to do), she's gonna be known as the worst Buss kid, as the team will continually suck from 2023 to 2029 and having NO top picks incoming to provide hope.

KI is a gigantic prima donna and a risk but could help a number of teams.

Westbrook is a dumpster fire and the only one in the league that is unaware that he is a dumpster fire.

LAL can upgrade from dumpster fire to prima Donna but they will pay to do it and no one is eating RW contract for SRP and cash.