Free agency

Village Idiot · Post #181 » by **Village Idiot** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 6:58 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Interesting to see the Grant trade is now official with Grant going to Portland for 36, Milwaukee pick
and two other SRP in 25,26.

Interesting the release mentions Portland also getting French big Ismael Kamagate in deal as the 46th
pick. I thought I understood his draft rights went to Denver for a 2024 SRP.

I really hope we got Kamagate as well. I think that dude can play.

Norm2953 · Post #182 » by **Norm2953** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 7:20 pm

Im just wondering with Schmitz now officially the assistant GM, if Portland has reneged on Kamagate going to Denver for a 2024 SRP. Not likely to matter for Kamagate seems destined to play in Europe in 2022-23

Malapropism · Post #183 » by **Malapropism** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 7:35 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Im just wondering with Schmitz now officially the assistant GM, if Portland has reneged on Kamagate going to Denver for a 2024 SRP. Not likely to matter for Kamagate seems destined to play in Europe in 2022-23

https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/in-braun-watson-and-kamagate-nuggets-focusing-on-energy-and-toughness

B0naf1d3 · Post #184 » by **B0naf1d3** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 7:48 pm

Not too sure on bringing in a guy like Cousins, or Whiteside. If Nurk goes down in the middle of the season, that's when you look into something like that. I would also assume Portland is pretty far down their list of preferred options. Doesn't seem like a good fit.

One name left that intrigues me is Paschall. Relatively young, went to college with Hart, can play 4 and small ball 5. Wouldn't be a bad guy to bring in to compete with Watford/Winslow/Eubanks for the last rotation minutes.

m0ng0 · Post #185 » by **m0ng0** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 8:23 pm

The press release says we now own the rights to Kamagate, seems like an interesting prospect.

tester551 · Post #186 » by **tester551** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 9:57 pm

m0ng0 wrote:The press release says we now own the rights to Kamagate, seems like an interesting prospect.

Norm2953 wrote:Im just wondering with Schmitz now officially the assistant GM, if Portland has reneged on Kamagate going to Denver for a 2024 SRP. Not likely to matter for Kamagate seems destined to play in Europe in 2022-23

Detroit had to 'officially' trade Kamagate's rights to Portland as part of the Grant trade (that wasn't complete until today). Later today or tomorrow, Portland will 'officially' trade his rights to Denver.

Nothing has changed. It's all an order of operations thing.

Norm2953 · Post #187 » by **Norm2953** » Wed Jul 6, 2022 10:55 pm

Most likely so but I was just curious for the 36th pick (Gabriele Procida) always seemed to be
going to Detroit without all of this.

I still think Portland should have taken a look at Kamagate instead of letting him go for a future
SRP. Don't they know all they have behind Nurk is Eubanks/Watford?

Case2012 · Post #188 » by **Case2012** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:05 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Case2012 wrote:Warren is wayyyyy better than Hart LMAO. Even if he played the 4, Grant can play the 3. I'm sorry, you can't justify not going after Warren. We need size. Pretending Hart is 6'7 isn't going to make him 6'7.

Warren doesnt play defense and has never contributed meaningful minutes on a good team, not to mention he is coming off a 2 year injury hiatus. He is worse at everything that Josh does other than volume shooting. If you want an iso offensive player, sure TJ is a better fit. I dont think we need another iso centric guy.

By all metrics Josh is a better defender, rebounder, passer and from the eye test he makes far more 'winning' plays than TJ ever did. Warren is a forward version of Jamal Crawford / Jordan Clarkson - sexy raw offensive stats w/ little impact to getting W's.

Hart is better than TJ if you want to win games and its not particularly close.

Naw man... Agree to disagree. I think Warren is better and to say he wouldn't contribute to meaningful wins is absurd especially if he was playing with Dame, Grant, Simons, Nurk and Hart.

They're completely different players, but that doesnt mean Hart is better. I like Hart, a lot. But he's a 2/3 and Warren when healthy showed he could be a borderline all star and he's a legit 3/4 which is what we need. Big combo forwards. Go look at what Warren did in the bubble. Small sample size but he averaged 2 blocks and 2 steals to go with 30 points 6 boards and 5 assists on elite efficiency. That was right before he got injured. Hart isn't doing that... I would rather we have both but too late
now. Cronin was in a such a hurry to sign gp, hard capping us, blowing bledsoe as an asset and closing doors to improve. We could've signed Warren and then go or traded bledsoe for something, and then used the mle but he blew it.

BlazersBroncos · Post #189 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:20 am

I don’t buy that TJ can defend SF. He was a poor defender at SF when young. Now he’s not just older but 2 years out of the game.

I take a guy that can play elite defense 1-3 and isn’t coming off 2 years of injury over another scorer that gets buckets from ISO and dribbling much more than cutting and kick outs. Just don’t think he fits outside a bench scorer

Case2012 · Post #190 » by **Case2012** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:40 am

We could've had both, and Simons should've come off the bench but the blazers are going to blazer.

Dame/Payton
Hart/Simons
Warren/Winslow
Grant/Watford
Nurkic/Eubanks

As opposed to

Dame/Payton
Simons/Hart
Nas/Winslow
Grant/Watford
Nurkic/Eubanks

Meh idk. I think we had a really good chance to make some splashes and really take a swing but Cronin is olshey 2.0 defense edition. Mediocre, lateral moves afraid to go for a home run.

I think he set the team up to build around Simons and Sharpe in 3 years and settle for more first round exits until then. Turns my stomach how poorly this franchise is ran.

bob2 · Post #191 » by **bob2** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 8:04 am

m0ng0 wrote:The press release says we now own the rights to Kamagate, seems like an interesting prospect.

He was named as the best defender in the French league this year and is a member of the french national team.
He's still young but he could become a nice center.

red_power · Post #192 » by **red_power** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 12:12 pm

I think TJ is an injury-prone Kelly Oubre who played 4 games over the last 2 years.

The fact that Suns dropped him for nothing after a career year speaks for itself imo

BlazersBroncos · Post #193 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:43 pm

red_power wrote:I think TJ is an injury-prone Kelly Oubre who played 4 games over the last 2 years.

The fact that Suns dropped him for nothing after a career year speaks for itself imo

Yep. He posted a neutral DBPM once in his career, all other seasons negative. He has posted WS/48 over .1 only twice, this advanced metric is a really good sign of a player, guys over .1 are generally net neutral or positive, under net negative. His VORP has always been under 1.0 outside his outlier year (Same one he posted a neutral DBPM).

His On/Off + OnCourt rating has always been poor outside, again, his one outlier year.

Out of 656 games he has played in 332 - making him about a 50/50 in terms of being healthy.

His career usage of 22% is only slightly lower than what Ant and Nurkic posted last year - he has never posted a low usage in his career. He is ball dependent.

Just not a good fit, and a Ron Mercer level empty stats guy IMO. Maybe he blows up as a 6-7th man in BRK, but I wouldnt bet on it.

skoharry · Post #194 » by **skoharry** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 7:39 am

The only move I liked was trading for grant. Eubanks played his best ball as we were tanking, Gary Payton II is meh and overpaid, and using our draft pick instead of trading it is stupid. Dame is as good as gone. The only decent bench players we have are little and maybe Winslow. We should have signed semi veterans on 1 year deals and then if needed, we trade dame next season. I think we should keep bledsoe, sign biyombo/rolo/Drummond/McGee, and resign McLemore. If it'd was me out lineup would be
Dame/bledsoe
Ant/McLemore
Hart/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Rolo
Our bench sucks for the umpteenth time again. Bye bye Dame

Dame Lizard · Post #195 » by **Dame Lizard** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 9:51 am

skoharry wrote:The only move I liked was trading for grant. Eubanks played his best ball as we were tanking, Gary Payton II is meh and overpaid, and using our draft pick instead of trading it is stupid. Dame is as good as gone. The only decent bench players we have are little and maybe Winslow. We should have signed semi veterans on 1 year deals and then if needed, we trade dame next season. I think we should keep bledsoe, sign biyombo/rolo/Drummond/McGee, and resign McLemore. If it'd was me out lineup would be
Dame/bledsoe
Ant/McLemore
Hart/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Rolo
Our bench sucks for the umpteenth time again. Bye bye Dame

McGee and Biyombo signed with contending teams (Dallas made the WCF and Phoenix were by far the best regular season team). We can't just assume that Portland could have signed them.

I like the GP2 signing. His elite defence will come in handy, and hopefully rub off on our young guards.

skoharry · Post #196 » by **skoharry** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:11 pm

Yeah well another issue is we have no size! Nurkic is the only one above 6'9. We need at least someone else 6'11+.

Dame Lizard · Post #197 » by **Dame Lizard** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:19 pm

skoharry wrote:Yeah well another issue is we have no size! Nurkic is the only one above 6'9. We need at least someone else 6'11+.

Definitely agree with this.

Someone of the Ed Davis variety, who has size, can hit the offensive boards and can split some time at PF and C would be ideal.

BlazersBroncos · Post #198 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:23 pm

Bismack is like 6'8.

Boston and GSW just made the finals with no 6'11 guys in their rotations. DAL and MIA made the CF with no 6'11 guys in their rotations either - save Deadmon who got like 10mpg.

Eubanks is 6'9 but built like a monster. I think he will be fine as the backup C. Sets a mean pick, doesnt play outside his role (Unlike Trendon, who tries to do too much), wont get bullied on either side. No, he isnt switchable but most teams dont have backup C's that can switch. Its a archetype that, like the prototypical sized SF, is in higher demand than supply.

I like rolling with Eubanks, always liked him as a player. Would take him over RoLo, Bismack, Drummond. He is 25, if he continues his late season play we might have a long term backup C, that would be nice. Others are just 1-year stopgaps 100%.

Case2012 · Post #199 » by **Case2012** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 9:21 pm

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Pattycakes · Post #200 » by **Pattycakes** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 9:47 pm

skoharry wrote:The only move I liked was trading for grant. Eubanks played his best ball as we were tanking, Gary Payton II is meh and overpaid, and using our draft pick instead of trading it is stupid. Dame is as good as gone. The only decent bench players we have are little and maybe Winslow. We should have signed semi veterans on 1 year deals and then if needed, we trade dame next season. I think we should keep bledsoe, sign biyombo/rolo/Drummond/McGee, and resign McLemore. If it'd was me out lineup would be
Dame/bledsoe
Ant/McLemore
Hart/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Rolo
Our bench sucks for the umpteenth time again. Bye bye Dame

I’m ecstatic you’re not gm