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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#201 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:32 am

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Kyrie "wanted to return home." Durant came to play with his buddy.


Durant wanted NYC too.

Like I said

I don't know what to say if you don't think the richest city in the world, which offers massive media exposure, a nightlife on par with any city on the globe isn't attractive to NBA free agents, I don't think you understand the difference between outcomes and opportunities.

The knicks are a super dysfunctional franchise. They've also been snakebit. Despite that Zion badly wanted to be a knicks. Steph badly wanted NYC. Durant and Kyrie picked NYC. Melo picked NYC.

If we had someone like Jerry West run the show our franchise history would look a lot different.


If you want to pretend NYC has no appeal to players be my guest. Being that in every other sport NYC attracts tons of free agents, and is global capital of culture, we will have to agree to disagree.

Professional athletes don't care about media exposure, nightlife and business opportunities.


What does that mean?


At the center of global culture were one has the opportunity to witness and participate at the emerging cultural currents. This is everything from fashion to music, nightlife to media. NYC has an enormous population, tons of money, and its footprint in all of these areas is obvious.

Are you being obtuse or do you really think NYC is similar to Dallas and not the other major global cities?
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#202 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:35 am

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Durant wanted NYC too.

Like I said



If you want to pretend NYC has no appeal to players be my guest. Being that in every other sport NYC attracts tons of free agents, and is global capital of culture, we will have to agree to disagree.

Professional athletes don't care about media exposure, nightlife and business opportunities.


What does that mean?


At the center of global culture were one has the opportunity to witness and participate at the emerging cultural currents. This is everything from fashion to music, nightlife to media. NYC has an enormous population, tons of money, and its footprint in all of these areas is obvious.

Are you being obtuse or do you really think NYC is similar to Dallas and not the other major global cities?


NYC is not at the center of African American culture. As for being at the center of global culture, how long has this been the case?
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#203 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:40 am

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What does that mean?


At the center of global culture were one has the opportunity to witness and participate at the emerging cultural currents. This is everything from fashion to music, nightlife to media. NYC has an enormous population, tons of money, and its footprint in all of these areas is obvious.

Are you being obtuse or do you really think NYC is similar to Dallas and not the other major global cities?


NYC is not at the center of African American culture. As for being at the center of global culture, how long has this been the case?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_with_large_African-American_populations

The NYC, can't find breakdown for city, metro area has 3.3 million African Americans. The second largest is Atlanta at 2 million.

As to NYC being a major global city for culture, I've concluded your being obtuse on purpose and withdrawing from this conversation. Disputing NYC's cultural presence is like disputing China's large population.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#204 » by BallerTalk » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:41 am

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Dallas has everything that Houston has.

Still nope.

Global presence
Cultural diversity
Cost of living
Restaurant/Dining diversity
Night life
Home prices
Entertainment costs
Transportation costs
Healthcare costs
Higher education
Household income
Median income
Beaches, Lakes, waterways, and green space

...ALL advantage Houston.

https://www.zumper.com/blog/houston-vs-dallas/
https://livingcost.org/cost/dallas/houston
https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/how-houston-became-global-city/15661/
https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/dallas_tx/education
https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/dallas_tx/economy
https://stacker.com/texas/texas-has-4-50-cities-most-green-space-capita

Jonny Blaze wrote:The demographics of the city are damn near the same.


Again, nope.
Houston has held the title of most diverse city in America 3 of the last 5 years.
Dallas has never topped 4th.

https://wallethub.com/edu/most-diverse-cities/12690


Now can we please put this Dallas vs Houston pissing contest your keep trying to materialize to bed and maybe you can try extolling the virtues of D-Town on its own merit.

Or better yet, let's get back to the original topic:
WHY DALLAS HAS STRUGGLED FOR SO LONG TO ATTRACT NBA FREE AGENTS.


I fill you in on something. I like Houston. Houston is one of my favorite cities.
Seriously. I like big dirty cities like Los Angeles, Houston, and even New York.


But Houston sucks. It really does.
I love Los Angeles....but I totally understand why most people hate LA....Houston has a lot of the same issues (pollution, insane traffic, crime) without the fantastic weather.

The air smells horrible, and will give you cancer if you live there too long. Why do you think Big Oil has made MD Anderson the best Cancer Hospital in the World?
Its because all the people that live in Houston, Beaumont and SE Texas that are at risk of getting Cancer because of the proximity to the refineries.

Yes.....Houston has a lower cost of living and lower home prices than Dallas. That's because the city is built off a swamp called the Buffalo Bayou. This is what causes the horrible year round humidity and mosquitos that Houston is known for.
Houston is where you if you want to live in a decent place at a cheap price. That's not really an advantage.

This humidity is why Houston night life isn't really that great. Its very hard to dress up in Houston if you are going to be sweating your ass off all night.

This is what I will give Houston over Dallas:
I think the nicest areas of Houston are superior to their counterparts in Dallas. The problem is that the rest of the city looks like a dump. Especially if you are driving from IAH to downtown Houston from either 59, 45 or the Hardy Toll Road.

Houston has better seafood and Cajun.
Yes...Houston has access to the beach that Dallas does not. I grew up going to Galveston. I was in my 20's before I realized it wasn't normal to not be able to see your feet because the water is so filthy and dark colored from the oil.

In all honesty Dallas and Houston are about the same.....but Dallas is just way better organized than Houston and a much nicer city.
Houston looks very disorganized and haphazard because of the lack of zoning laws.



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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#205 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jul 7, 2022 1:51 am

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At the center of global culture were one has the opportunity to witness and participate at the emerging cultural currents. This is everything from fashion to music, nightlife to media. NYC has an enormous population, tons of money, and its footprint in all of these areas is obvious.

Are you being obtuse or do you really think NYC is similar to Dallas and not the other major global cities?


NYC is not at the center of African American culture. As for being at the center of global culture, how long has this been the case?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_with_large_African-American_populations

The NYC, can't find breakdown for city, metro area has 3.3 million African Americans. The second largest is Atlanta at 2 million.

As to NYC being a major global city for culture, I've concluded your being obtuse on purpose and withdrawing from this conversation. Disputing NYC's cultural presence is like disputing China's large population.


I asked you how long has it been the case.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#206 » by SpiderX1016 » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:31 am

Now I'm curious, I would think they would be but I can't recall their last big signing. Marion or KP?
They've always had a superstar in Dirk/Luka and Cuban seems fun to play for.

If I'm thinking of cities as FA attractions, for me it's only LA, MIA and NY.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#207 » by Cavsfansince84 » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:42 am

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NYC is not at the center of African American culture. As for being at the center of global culture, how long has this been the case?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_with_large_African-American_populations

The NYC, can't find breakdown for city, metro area has 3.3 million African Americans. The second largest is Atlanta at 2 million.

As to NYC being a major global city for culture, I've concluded your being obtuse on purpose and withdrawing from this conversation. Disputing NYC's cultural presence is like disputing China's large population.


I asked you how long has it been the case.


I think it's pretty safe to say that nyc has been viewed as a top global cultural city since at least the 50's. It's always had those artistic enclaves for art, music, poetry and other entertainment including Broadway. Plus the ny philharmonic and stuff like that.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#208 » by SK21209 » Thu Jul 7, 2022 2:53 am

Personally, I'm not a fan of Dallas as a city. Seems a little bland to me, Austin and San Antonio are more fun in my experience. But that's just my opinion, I'm not a millionaire so I have no idea what its like for an NBA player to live in any city.

The only cities that are really free agent destinations are Los Angeles and Miami. Those are the only ones that seem to consistently draw the eye of NBA players regardless of how good the team is. San Francisco is getting there but hasn't been that for most of its history. I guess Melo, Durant and Kyrie have forced their way to New York but I still wouldn't call it a free agency destination (although I think the Knicks are always 2-3 seasons of actual competence away from being one). Places like Phoenix, Denver and Atlanta are popular with NBA players but that hasn't really translated to stars going there. The point is, there are only a small handful of cities that can even be argued as "free agent destinations", so its not weird that Dallas isn't considered one.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#209 » by Mr B » Thu Jul 7, 2022 3:36 am

Godymas wrote:“Dallas is a cool big city”

- people that have never been to Dallas

- People that have never been to Dallas.
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Post#210 » by e83pw2oa9hl5f » Thu Jul 7, 2022 3:51 am

This thread is "interesting". The way I view this - Where do tourist go to have a holiday in the states? Memphis? Texas? Not really. Texas has a good international airport to take you to Miami(gateway to some great island locations) or NY if your flying in from the outside. Big finance business or Fasion etc, they put locations on their branding listing cities like LA, NY, Rome, Sydney, London. Not Dallas, Texas.
Texas has a big following by a certain ideological group. Like those upset with democracy and ish like that LOL.

Having evidence of a player in Memphis traveling through Alabama and Texas I find to be a bit humorous as is a lot of posts here. Those locations are not as appealing that some are making it out to be.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#211 » by e83pw2oa9hl5f » Thu Jul 7, 2022 3:58 am

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_with_large_African-American_populations

The NYC, can't find breakdown for city, metro area has 3.3 million African Americans. The second largest is Atlanta at 2 million.

As to NYC being a major global city for culture, I've concluded your being obtuse on purpose and withdrawing from this conversation. Disputing NYC's cultural presence is like disputing China's large population.


I asked you how long has it been the case.


I think it's pretty safe to say that nyc has been viewed as a top global cultural city since at least the 50's. It's always had those artistic enclaves for art, music, poetry and other entertainment including Broadway. Plus the ny philharmonic and stuff like that.


Yes before all of were born NY earned that tittle. Why its prestigious to have shops there for big name companies. As stated in post above. NY is internationally recognized as a center for a lot of things. Texas does not have that reputation. Traveling is one of hte best things a person can do in their lives. And I dont mean a war deployment, or big oil exploration, as experience. Texas is known for other things.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#212 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:07 am

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_with_large_African-American_populations

The NYC, can't find breakdown for city, metro area has 3.3 million African Americans. The second largest is Atlanta at 2 million.

As to NYC being a major global city for culture, I've concluded your being obtuse on purpose and withdrawing from this conversation. Disputing NYC's cultural presence is like disputing China's large population.


I asked you how long has it been the case.


I think it's pretty safe to say that nyc has been viewed as a top global cultural city since at least the 50's. It's always had those artistic enclaves for art, music, poetry and other entertainment including Broadway. Plus the ny philharmonic and stuff like that.


Okay, I want you to contrast that with how long African Americans have been in America creating the culture that has been exported around the globe. Jazz? It was big in Harlem, but invented in New Orleans, Louisiana. Jazz being the first original form of distinctly American music. NYC has global appeal but Americans that have been here for several generations don't share the same affinity for it that foreigners and immigrants do.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#213 » by Sactowndog » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:08 am

sp6r=underrated wrote:I've said before there are only two top markets for free agents: NY, LA. Those two cities have real advantages over other cities. Due to population size, media concentration and economic factors they are at the center of global culture. For people who work in the entertainment industries like athletes this is hugely appealing. They are also amazing places to live if you're young, tons of cash and want the nightlife. And if they're not attracting free agents like the current era Knicks or Sterling era Clippers it is a sign of gross mis-management.

On the other end of the spectrum you have a few cities either due to economics/population size (New Orleans) or population size/culture (Utah) or at a massive disadvantage. These clubs can't run major payrolls and struggle to keep free agents for obvious reasons.

In the middle are most teams and the teams at the top end of this spectrum have far more in common with the bottom end spectrum teams than they do with LA/NY.

As to Dallas vs the Bay Area, these are two middle spectrum area metro areas. I've lived in SF for a decade so I'll comment on SF. Briefly bio, white middle aged, lived here over a decade. SF is great if you're into things like the outdoors. Beautiful scenary, hiking trails, sailing. Just great for outdoor activites. The downside is SF's economics are driven by the tech industry. Tech industry is super rich but techbros are not like financebros in NYC or entertainment types in LA. They don't like the nightlife. Really SF's nightlife is pathetic for a global city.

Due to housing cost African American population in the area is shrinking rapidly. SF's African American population decline was covered in the great movie "the last black man in San Francisco." I'd imagine most young players would prefer Oakland nightlife over SF. LA offers far more for the average athlete than SF.

For the average person, SF is a bad deal economically. I'm fortunate and have a six figure income. I'm still shut out of the housing market. If you're not in a 200k household, or have the reasonable expectation of moving into that class, I would not recommend here. Living dwellings are terrible relative to the rest of the country for middle income workers which is why this region really suffers a drain in that class. I expect as the century goes on, SF will either rapidly expand its housing pool so that 2 million+ live in the City or it really will become a tale of two cities with almost all middle income jobs moved out of the area. It will just be rich tech workers, service workers who cater to them and very poor people living on public assistance.


SF has limited space to improve their housing. It is why so many people have moved over the hill and commute 2+ hours to work. The Bay Area proper is increasingly Asian and Indian.

Off topic but it is increasingly a barren wasteland for BB and FB college recruiting.
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Post#214 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:14 am

This thread is moving away from what rich Americans like to do. NBA free agents are mostly newly rich Americans. They aren't looking to be surrounded by foreigners. Los Angeles as opposed to Dallas places newly rich Americans around a diverse group of rich Americans that have proven to be more inclusive in business and society. How many pro athletes that played in Dallas have done any business in the oil industry vs pro athletes that played in Los Angeles doing business in the film/media industry?
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Post#215 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:14 am

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sp6r=underrated wrote:I've said before there are only two top markets for free agents: NY, LA. Those two cities have real advantages over other cities. Due to population size, media concentration and economic factors they are at the center of global culture. For people who work in the entertainment industries like athletes this is hugely appealing. They are also amazing places to live if you're young, tons of cash and want the nightlife. And if they're not attracting free agents like the current era Knicks or Sterling era Clippers it is a sign of gross mis-management.

On the other end of the spectrum you have a few cities either due to economics/population size (New Orleans) or population size/culture (Utah) or at a massive disadvantage. These clubs can't run major payrolls and struggle to keep free agents for obvious reasons.

In the middle are most teams and the teams at the top end of this spectrum have far more in common with the bottom end spectrum teams than they do with LA/NY.

As to Dallas vs the Bay Area, these are two middle spectrum area metro areas. I've lived in SF for a decade so I'll comment on SF. Briefly bio, white middle aged, lived here over a decade. SF is great if you're into things like the outdoors. Beautiful scenary, hiking trails, sailing. Just great for outdoor activites. The downside is SF's economics are driven by the tech industry. Tech industry is super rich but techbros are not like financebros in NYC or entertainment types in LA. They don't like the nightlife. Really SF's nightlife is pathetic for a global city.

Due to housing cost African American population in the area is shrinking rapidly. SF's African American population decline was covered in the great movie "the last black man in San Francisco." I'd imagine most young players would prefer Oakland nightlife over SF. LA offers far more for the average athlete than SF.

For the average person, SF is a bad deal economically. I'm fortunate and have a six figure income. I'm still shut out of the housing market. If you're not in a 200k household, or have the reasonable expectation of moving into that class, I would not recommend here. Living dwellings are terrible relative to the rest of the country for middle income workers which is why this region really suffers a drain in that class. I expect as the century goes on, SF will either rapidly expand its housing pool so that 2 million+ live in the City or it really will become a tale of two cities with almost all middle income jobs moved out of the area. It will just be rich tech workers, service workers who cater to them and very poor people living on public assistance.


SF has limited space to improve their housing. It is why so many people have moved over the hill and commute 2+ hours to work. The Bay Area proper is increasingly Asian and Indian.

Off topic but it is increasingly a barren wasteland for BB and FB college recruiting.


So this is a pet peeve of mine. SF has towns of space to improve housing. Look at this map:

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Most of SF is zoned for units smaller than 10. If SF just allowed zoning to build more housing the city could rapidly grow. Outer richmond is a joke. All these tiny buildings in a hub of commerce.

So it isn't limited space that prevents improving housing supply but zoning. People prefer high rents + short buildings over lower rents and larger buildings.
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Post#216 » by e83pw2oa9hl5f » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:22 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:This thread is moving away from what rich Americans like to do. NBA free agents are mostly newly rich Americans. They aren't looking to be surrounded by foreigners. Los Angeles as opposed to Dallas places newly rich Americans around a diverse group of rich Americans that have proven to be more inclusive in business and society. How many pro athletes that played in Dallas have done any business in the oil industry vs pro athletes that played in Los Angeles doing business in the film/media industry?



Affluence buys a lot of things. There is prestige in these locations that you asked about. You might not like the answers you are given, but there is truth in that NY has presitge, as does Miami and LA. Texas really doesnt have that.

When you have pro player kind of money, things like macy's nm etc really mean very little. Presitge and A-List parties etc In my Yank abroad opinion, are probably pretty high on the list. And yes that does include international opertunities to hob nob with the rich and famous in all the A-List destinations. The world is a small place. WIth a bit of coin, all the finer things become accessible. SO I guess I disagree with the cicular sentiment that rich players only want to be in Dallas that is inclusive but only with Other americans. Seem contradictory to me. Again, just my opinion.
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Post#217 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:29 am

Bayside wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:This thread is moving away from what rich Americans like to do. NBA free agents are mostly newly rich Americans. They aren't looking to be surrounded by foreigners. Los Angeles as opposed to Dallas places newly rich Americans around a diverse group of rich Americans that have proven to be more inclusive in business and society. How many pro athletes that played in Dallas have done any business in the oil industry vs pro athletes that played in Los Angeles doing business in the film/media industry?



Affluence buys a lot of things. There is prestige in these locations that you asked about. You might not like the answers you are given, but there is truth in that NY has presitge, as does Miami and LA. Texas really doesnt have that.

When you have pro player kind of money, things like macy's nm etc really mean very little. Presitge and A-List parties etc In my Yank abroad opinion, are probably pretty high on the list.


NYC has prestige to NBA free agents?
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Post#218 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:32 am

Bayside wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:This thread is moving away from what rich Americans like to do. NBA free agents are mostly newly rich Americans. They aren't looking to be surrounded by foreigners. Los Angeles as opposed to Dallas places newly rich Americans around a diverse group of rich Americans that have proven to be more inclusive in business and society. How many pro athletes that played in Dallas have done any business in the oil industry vs pro athletes that played in Los Angeles doing business in the film/media industry?



Affluence buys a lot of things. There is prestige in these locations that you asked about. You might not like the answers you are given, but there is truth in that NY has presitge, as does Miami and LA. Texas really doesnt have that.

When you have pro player kind of money, things like macy's nm etc really mean very little. Presitge and A-List parties etc In my Yank abroad opinion, are probably pretty high on the list.


I don't think Miami is really on LA's tier. Looking at objective metrics: population size, economics. It really is a mid market city.

I look at Miami's success on the free agent market as a sign the playing field is far more level than people think. There are a handful of clubs really screwed (Utah is best example) when it comes to free agents but most really can compete and should blame themselves if they can't. Is Miami really more of an entertainment hub than Atlanta?

But yeah LA/NYC can offer things Dallas can't, and disputing that is like disputing Chicago offers more to the average NBA player than Salt Lake CIty
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#219 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:32 am

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sp6r=underrated wrote:I've said before there are only two top markets for free agents: NY, LA. Those two cities have real advantages over other cities. Due to population size, media concentration and economic factors they are at the center of global culture. For people who work in the entertainment industries like athletes this is hugely appealing. They are also amazing places to live if you're young, tons of cash and want the nightlife. And if they're not attracting free agents like the current era Knicks or Sterling era Clippers it is a sign of gross mis-management.

On the other end of the spectrum you have a few cities either due to economics/population size (New Orleans) or population size/culture (Utah) or at a massive disadvantage. These clubs can't run major payrolls and struggle to keep free agents for obvious reasons.

In the middle are most teams and the teams at the top end of this spectrum have far more in common with the bottom end spectrum teams than they do with LA/NY.

As to Dallas vs the Bay Area, these are two middle spectrum area metro areas. I've lived in SF for a decade so I'll comment on SF. Briefly bio, white middle aged, lived here over a decade. SF is great if you're into things like the outdoors. Beautiful scenary, hiking trails, sailing. Just great for outdoor activites. The downside is SF's economics are driven by the tech industry. Tech industry is super rich but techbros are not like financebros in NYC or entertainment types in LA. They don't like the nightlife. Really SF's nightlife is pathetic for a global city.

Due to housing cost African American population in the area is shrinking rapidly. SF's African American population decline was covered in the great movie "the last black man in San Francisco." I'd imagine most young players would prefer Oakland nightlife over SF. LA offers far more for the average athlete than SF.

For the average person, SF is a bad deal economically. I'm fortunate and have a six figure income. I'm still shut out of the housing market. If you're not in a 200k household, or have the reasonable expectation of moving into that class, I would not recommend here. Living dwellings are terrible relative to the rest of the country for middle income workers which is why this region really suffers a drain in that class. I expect as the century goes on, SF will either rapidly expand its housing pool so that 2 million+ live in the City or it really will become a tale of two cities with almost all middle income jobs moved out of the area. It will just be rich tech workers, service workers who cater to them and very poor people living on public assistance.


SF has limited space to improve their housing. It is why so many people have moved over the hill and commute 2+ hours to work. The Bay Area proper is increasingly Asian and Indian.

Off topic but it is increasingly a barren wasteland for BB and FB college recruiting.


So this is a pet peeve of mine. SF has towns of space to improve housing. Look at this map:

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Most of SF is zoned for units smaller than 10. If SF just allowed zoning to build more housing the city could rapidly grow. Outer richmond is a joke. All these tiny buildings in a hub of commerce.

So it isn't limited space that prevents improving housing supply but zoning. People prefer high rents + short buildings over lower rents and larger buildings.


Taller buildings don't create lower rent. Manhattan has proven that landlords are fine with taking units off the market for 10+ years to maintain high rents. This isn't simple supply and demand. It works differently for places that can charge such high rent.
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The Mavs missed the playoffs without Brunson.
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Re: Does Dallas seem like it should be more of a FA attraction? 

Post#220 » by Jonny Blaze » Thu Jul 7, 2022 4:33 am

BallerTalk wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
BallerTalk wrote:Still nope.

Global presence
Cultural diversity
Cost of living
Restaurant/Dining diversity
Night life
Home prices
Entertainment costs
Transportation costs
Healthcare costs
Higher education
Household income
Median income
Beaches, Lakes, waterways, and green space

...ALL advantage Houston.

https://www.zumper.com/blog/houston-vs-dallas/
https://livingcost.org/cost/dallas/houston
https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/ex/sustainablecitiescollective/how-houston-became-global-city/15661/
https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/dallas_tx/education
https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/dallas_tx/economy
https://stacker.com/texas/texas-has-4-50-cities-most-green-space-capita



Again, nope.
Houston has held the title of most diverse city in America 3 of the last 5 years.
Dallas has never topped 4th.

https://wallethub.com/edu/most-diverse-cities/12690


Now can we please put this Dallas vs Houston pissing contest your keep trying to materialize to bed and maybe you can try extolling the virtues of D-Town on its own merit.

Or better yet, let's get back to the original topic:
WHY DALLAS HAS STRUGGLED FOR SO LONG TO ATTRACT NBA FREE AGENTS.


I fill you in on something. I like Houston. Houston is one of my favorite cities.
Seriously. I like big dirty cities like Los Angeles, Houston, and even New York.


But Houston sucks. It really does.
I love Los Angeles....but I totally understand why most people hate LA....Houston has a lot of the same issues (pollution, insane traffic, crime) without the fantastic weather.

The air smells horrible, and will give you cancer if you live there too long. Why do you think Big Oil has made MD Anderson the best Cancer Hospital in the World?
Its because all the people that live in Houston, Beaumont and SE Texas that are at risk of getting Cancer because of the proximity to the refineries.

Yes.....Houston has a lower cost of living and lower home prices than Dallas. That's because the city is built off a swamp called the Buffalo Bayou. This is what causes the horrible year round humidity and mosquitos that Houston is known for.
Houston is where you if you want to live in a decent place at a cheap price. That's not really an advantage.

This humidity is why Houston night life isn't really that great. Its very hard to dress up in Houston if you are going to be sweating your ass off all night.

This is what I will give Houston over Dallas:
I think the nicest areas of Houston are superior to their counterparts in Dallas. The problem is that the rest of the city looks like a dump. Especially if you are driving from IAH to downtown Houston from either 59, 45 or the Hardy Toll Road.

Houston has better seafood and Cajun.
Yes...Houston has access to the beach that Dallas does not. I grew up going to Galveston. I was in my 20's before I realized it wasn't normal to not be able to see your feet because the water is so filthy and dark colored from the oil.

In all honesty Dallas and Houston are about the same.....but Dallas is just way better organized than Houston and a much nicer city.
Houston looks very disorganized and haphazard because of the lack of zoning laws.



Who hurt you? :lol:


This response doesn't really surprise me. :D

Houston tends to have a huge inferiority complex to Dallas....due to mainly football.

H-Town is the biggest city in Texas yet its football team is small time and has never won anything.

Dallas is a smaller city than Houston yet its football team is the most valuable sports franchise in the entire world.

There very few Houston Texans fans that you will find in Dallas. Lots of transplants from all over Texas move to Houston because of the oil industry.
The Dallas Cowboys own the whole state of Texas except for the Houston metro area in terms of fandom.

If you are from Midland, Tyler, San Antonio, Austin, or anywhere else in Texas you most likely grew up rooting for the Dallas Cowboys and won't change that even if you moved to Houston.

What ends up happening is that there are a ton of Cowboys fans in Houston (probably 20-33% of the population)...and it drives Houston sports fans crazy.

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