[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[MAMBAEMD]

Although neither PG nor Kawhi ended up a Laker, they both did leave their original teams.

LA is still LA...

Absolutely!

LA is still LA.

The Clippers are still the Clippers.

And the Lakers are still the Lakers.

[SelfishPlayer]

Although neither PG nor Kawhi ended up a Laker, they both did leave their original teams.

LA is still LA...

Absolutely!

LA is still LA.

The Clippers are still the Clippers.

And the Lakers are still the Lakers.

This is true, perhaps Kawhi erroneously believed that he could be a "player GM" like Lebron and change the Clipper curse. But, LA is still LA...

[Pythagoras]

I would think the ship has sailed on Kyrie and KD coming back and being gung ho title contenders with the Nets. They've had three years to put it together. You don't think they've tried to convince Kyrie? You don't think they've had endless discussions with KD? It's at the point where neither are talking to the FO.

This is all standard negotiation posturing. It happens literally every time a trade demand isn't immediately met.

"we'll just bring him back" yet every time, they're traded. you guys are welcome to believe that this time it'll be different

Yeah. Disgruntled players, especially when they’re on the last year of their deal, pretty much always get traded before the season starts. The only question is, will the Lakers blink and add the ‘29 pick as well (they will), or will the Nets blink and settle for only the ‘27 pick.

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[MAMBAEMD]

LA is still LA...

Absolutely!

LA is still LA.

The Clippers are still the Clippers.

And the Lakers are still the Lakers.

This is true, perhaps Kawhi erroneously believed that he could be a "player GM" like Lebron and change the Clipper curse. But, LA is still LA...

At the time , it was extremely disappointing for so many of us Laker fans that Kawhi decided not to join. But I respect him for the decision he made, not wanting to perhaps be in the shadows of LBJ.

Ultimately, both sides did well.

He got what he wanted which is to create and forge his own independent path forward.

And the Lakers got what they wanted. Win another ring by being able to put enough of a solid supporting cast around LBJ and AD to win number 17.

[Ballerhogger]

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So comes down to if the nets want pick manybe dump Harris contract . Since he’s literally a Rental to the rest of the league and the the nets

[Ballerhogger]

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The nets are looking weak just do the deal already . Nobody believes you are going try make it work with Kyrie .

[Ballerhogger]

Absolutely!

LA is still LA.

The Clippers are still the Clippers.

And the Lakers are still the Lakers.

This is true, perhaps Kawhi erroneously believed that he could be a "player GM" like Lebron and change the Clipper curse. But, LA is still LA...

At the time , it was extremely disappointing for so many of us Laker fans that Kawhi decided not to join. But I respect him for the decision he made, not wanting to perhaps be in the shadows of LBJ.

Ultimately, both sides did well.

He got what he wanted which is to create and forge his own independent path forward.

And the Lakers got what they wanted. Win another ring by being able to put enough of a solid supporting cast around LBJ and AD to win number 17.

Having Kawhi would of been nice but with his injury history we dodged a bullet .

[Liam_Gallagher]

Westbrook, THT, future pick for Irving and Harris. End of story.

G - Irving/Nunn/Darren Collison
G - Harris/Walker IV
F - James/Reaves
F - Davis/JTA/Gabriel/Johnson
C - Bryant/Jones

IR - Troy Brown Jr., Trevor Ariza (for mentoring)

2-way - Pippen Jr., Swider

That team will make the WCF.

[GunnerWRX]

The market for an expiring contract which the current team does not plan to re-sign after the season:

Jerami Grant -> Portland: 2025 #1; 2025 #2; 2026 #2; 2022 #2 swap - into Portland TPE, without taking salaries back.
Oubre -> Golden State: 2021 #1; two 2021 #2 picks - into Warriors' injury exception (Klay), without taking salaries back.

In a vacuum, Kyrie is a much better player so I would expect a trade for Kyrie to be 2 #1 picks, plus multiple 2nds, and *without* taking junk back. With Westbrook, which is a negative, you actually need to attach assets to send him off.

Now, Kyrie seems to want the Lakers (which needs to send Westbrook back), and no one knows if he is interested to play on other teams, so that is the leverage the Lakers and Kyrie have.

On the other hand, LeBron will be 38 by Christmas, and 38.5 when the playoff stars (if the Lakers make it there), so that is the Net's leverage on the Lakers' urgency.

If I were the Nets, I would just hold off until the Lakers offer the right draft assets. If they can't trade KD, both KD and Kyrie and Simmons will need to show up to work, and maybe they will have some wins by the trade deadline. You never know for sure, yes. But what you know for sure is LeBron isn't getting younger, thus the Lakers desperation will only go higher.

If the return is only Westbrook, and you don't plan to re-sign him anyway next summer, what's the point of flipping him for Kyrie, just to accommodate the Lakers and Kyrie, especially when Westbrook isn't going to help you win games?

[Castle Black]

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[SK21209]

The market for an expiring contract which the current team does not plan to re-sign after the season:

Jerami Grant -> Portland: 2025 #1; 2025 #2; 2026 #2; 2022 #2 swap - into Portland TPE, without taking salaries back.
Oubre -> Golden State: 2021 #1; two 2021 #2 picks - into Warriors TPE, without taking salaries back.

In a vacuum, Kyrie is a much better player so I would expect a trade for Kyrie to be 2 #1 picks, plus multiple 2nds, and *without* taking junk back. With Westbrook, which is a negative, you actually need to attach assets to send him off.

Now, Kyrie seems to want the Lakers (which needs to send Westbrook back), and no one knows if he is interested to play on other teams, so that is the leverage the Lakers and Kyrie have.

On the other hand, LeBron will be 38 by Christmas, and 38.5 when the playoff stars (if the Lakers make it there), so that is the Net's leverage on the Lakers' urgency.

If I were the Nets, I would just hold off until the Lakers offer the right draft assets. If they can't trade KD, both KD and Kyrie and Simmons will need to show up to work, and maybe they will have some wins by the trade deadline. You never know for sure, yes. But what you know for sure is LeBron isn't getting younger, thus the Lakers desperation will only go higher.

If the return is only Westbrook, and you don't plan to re-sign him anyway next summer, what's the point of flipping him for Kyrie, just to accommodate the Lakers and Kyrie, especially when Westbrook isn't going to help you win games?

Neither of those guys told all of the other teams that they wouldn't resign after being traded there.

[GunnerWRX]

The market for an expiring contract which the current team does not plan to re-sign after the season:

Jerami Grant -> Portland: 2025 #1; 2025 #2; 2026 #2; 2022 #2 swap - into Portland TPE, without taking salaries back.
Oubre -> Golden State: 2021 #1; two 2021 #2 picks - into Warriors TPE, without taking salaries back.

In a vacuum, Kyrie is a much better player so I would expect a trade for Kyrie to be 2 #1 picks, plus multiple 2nds, and *without* taking junk back. With Westbrook, which is a negative, you actually need to attach assets to send him off.

Now, Kyrie seems to want the Lakers (which needs to send Westbrook back), and no one knows if he is interested to play on other teams, so that is the leverage the Lakers and Kyrie have.

On the other hand, LeBron will be 38 by Christmas, and 38.5 when the playoff stars (if the Lakers make it there), so that is the Net's leverage on the Lakers' urgency.

If I were the Nets, I would just hold off until the Lakers offer the right draft assets. If they can't trade KD, both KD and Kyrie and Simmons will need to show up to work, and maybe they will have some wins by the trade deadline. You never know for sure, yes. But what you know for sure is LeBron isn't getting younger, thus the Lakers desperation will only go higher.

If the return is only Westbrook, and you don't plan to re-sign him anyway next summer, what's the point of flipping him for Kyrie, just to accommodate the Lakers and Kyrie, especially when Westbrook isn't going to help you win games?

Neither of those guys told all of the other teams that they wouldn't resign after being traded there.

You are missing the point I guess. Westbrook's Bird Right has no value, because no one will plan to keep him for $40m, or $30m, or even $20m next summer. Combined with his production, his trade value is below zero - negative player + no one needs his Bird Rights.

[HMFFL]

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It's going to happen but I hope it doesn't. I don't want to see Kyrie get what he desires in the NBA until he decides his own fate as a free agent. I'm tired of not just seeing the players be catered to but people like Kyrie for sure.

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[Ball so hard]

The market for an expiring contract which the current team does not plan to re-sign after the season:

Jerami Grant -> Portland: 2025 #1; 2025 #2; 2026 #2; 2022 #2 swap - into Portland TPE, without taking salaries back.
Oubre -> Golden State: 2021 #1; two 2021 #2 picks - into Warriors TPE, without taking salaries back.

In a vacuum, Kyrie is a much better player so I would expect a trade for Kyrie to be 2 #1 picks, plus multiple 2nds, and *without* taking junk back. With Westbrook, which is a negative, you actually need to attach assets to send him off.

Now, Kyrie seems to want the Lakers (which needs to send Westbrook back), and no one knows if he is interested to play on other teams, so that is the leverage the Lakers and Kyrie have.

On the other hand, LeBron will be 38 by Christmas, and 38.5 when the playoff stars (if the Lakers make it there), so that is the Net's leverage on the Lakers' urgency.

If I were the Nets, I would just hold off until the Lakers offer the right draft assets. If they can't trade KD, both KD and Kyrie and Simmons will need to show up to work, and maybe they will have some wins by the trade deadline. You never know for sure, yes. But what you know for sure is LeBron isn't getting younger, thus the Lakers desperation will only go higher.

If the return is only Westbrook, and you don't plan to re-sign him anyway next summer, what's the point of flipping him for Kyrie, just to accommodate the Lakers and Kyrie, especially when Westbrook isn't going to help you win games?

Neither of those guys told all of the other teams that they wouldn't resign after being traded there.

Plus neither of those guys were regarded as a headcase who’s clashed with 2 teams consecutively.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Westbrook, THT, future pick for Irving and Harris. End of story.

G - Irving/Nunn/Darren Collison
G - Harris/Walker IV
F - James/Reaves
F - Davis/JTA/Gabriel/Johnson
C - Bryant/Jones

IR - Troy Brown Jr., Trevor Ariza (for mentoring)

2-way - Pippen Jr., Swider

That team will make the WCF.

Tomaso Bryant signing for the min?

[Mamba Mentality]

Westbrook, THT, future pick for Irving and Harris. End of story.

G - Irving/Nunn/Darren Collison
G - Harris/Walker IV
F - James/Reaves
F - Davis/JTA/Gabriel/Johnson
C - Bryant/Jones

IR - Troy Brown Jr., Trevor Ariza (for mentoring)

2-way - Pippen Jr., Swider

That team will make the WCF.

Tomaso Bryant signing for the min?

Already reached a one year minimum deal with the Lakers.

[John Murdoch]

Westbrook, THT, future pick for Irving and Harris. End of story.

G - Irving/Nunn/Darren Collison
G - Harris/Walker IV
F - James/Reaves
F - Davis/JTA/Gabriel/Johnson
C - Bryant/Jones

IR - Troy Brown Jr., Trevor Ariza (for mentoring)

2-way - Pippen Jr., Swider

That team will make the WCF.

Tomaso Bryant signing for the min?

Tomaso got a Max deal, but Thomas Bryant got vet min

[Jadoogar]

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So comes down to if the nets want pick manybe dump Harris contract . Since he’s literally a Rental to the rest of the league and the the nets

i don't think any other team was interested in Kyrie to begin with but this really puts that nail in the coffin.
Problem is that Nets know that the Lakers are desperate to get of Westbrook

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So comes down to if the nets want pick manybe dump Harris contract . Since he’s literally a Rental to the rest of the league and the the nets

i don't think any other team was interested in Kyrie to begin with but this really puts that nail in the coffin.
Problem is that Nets know that the Lakers are desperate to get of Westbrook

Both sides need to understand they're not working with all that much leverage. It's a stalemate in that regard. Lakers should just offer Russ, 27 1st ((no protection) for Kyrie and Harris. Taking on that Harris deal is a big issue for the Lakers so they bite the bullet on that while BK bites the bullet on one 1st.