OT: Blackhawks Draft / Rebuild

[GRADEN]

Kane must be about done with this non sense

[Kurt Heimlich]

Kirby Dach out and the 13th and 66th pick in.

This new GM trading the Hawks top young pro and their fairly recent 3rd overall pick in the matter of 24 hours. I have no idea if these are good value/moves or not, but as a casual/bandwagon loving fan I hope this new GM does know what he's doing.

[TheSuzerain]

Looks like we are overly tanking ?

[Michael Jackson]

Well this is some weird wild stuff I guess. Not sure I understand it or know enough about ti to make sense of it

[Betta Bulleavit]

The move to trade Dach is slightly surprising. But not completely. He hasn’t exactly lived up to the expectations that he came in with. But I thought it might have been a tad bit early to check out on him. Seems like they got good value though.

As at as DeBrincat, I really thought we could have gotten more for him. It was a tough spot because the entire league knew that the Hawks were going to trade him, it was just a matter of when. And because of that, perhaps his trade value was a bit suppressed.

[superdave]

I’m okay with the Dach trade. He’s a defensive 3rd liner masquerading as a 2C. He wins around 33% at the dot and frankly doesn’t have the playmaking to be on the top two lines.

The Debrincat trade is a punch to the gut. We sold low and I would have liked to see a high pick in next years draft which is loaded

[GRADEN]

Let me help everyone here understand what tonight is:

It’s the Anthony Bennett draft tonight - “the night the nhl got drunk”

Seriously - these GMs are out of their minds tonight

Wright goes 4???

2 D in top 12 by same team…

Hawks trade entire team

So look here it is on Dach. The Hawks moved him from C to RW and that was because of his FO / Possesion drive wasn’t there. He is a wing. That value of 13 and 66 is actually quite good to me.

Let’s talk about 7/13

D Kevin Korchinski
C Frank Nazar

If they took Nazar 7 and Korchinski 13 it would look more normal but it’s now besides the point

I like both guys… Nazar size is a concern but he is one of the 2-3 best skaters in the draft.

Korchinski is such a high floor D man I actually love it. Comparison to Shea Theodore a little pre-mature but I get it.

These are 2 great prospects and they still have what 6 picks in the next 70 selections??

Please move Murphy for Lane Hutson now

[Dominator83]

Let me help everyone here understand what tonight is:

It’s the Anthony Bennett draft tonight - “the night the nhl got drunk”

Seriously - these GMs are out of their minds tonight

Wright goes 4???

2 D in top 12 by same team…

Hawks trade entire team

So look here it is on Dach. The Hawks moved him from C to RW and that was because of his FO / Possesion drive wasn’t there. He is a wing. That value of 13 and 66 is actually quite good to me.

Let’s talk about 7/13

D Kevin Korchinski
C Frank Nazar

If they took Nazar 7 and Korchinski 13 it would look more normal but it’s now besides the point

I like both guys… Nazar size is a concern but he is one of the 2-3 best skaters in the draft.

Korchinski is such a high floor D man I actually love it. Comparison to Shea Theodore a little pre-mature but I get it.

These are 2 great prospects and they still have what 6 picks in the next 70 selections??

Please move Murphy for Lane Hutson now

Well if this is their Anthony Bennett draft, May be they'll find the hidden Giannis

[GRADEN]

Oh more than you know!

So this draft is truly the draft of 2 groups since last year entire leagues OHL didn’t do much of Jack… so a lot of +1 agers and kids missing HS time etc

Hawks trade 38 for G Mrazek and 25 where they take D Sam Rinzel

This was a player I thought would go 45-75. Simply put he turned 18 2 weeks ago and has zero next level play…

But he is a 6’4 D as the #1 HS D recruit going to University of Minnesota.

If I had to guess I’d say Korchinski and Nazar in 2.5-3 years and Rinzel in 4

[GRADEN]

Everyone google Scott Wheeler and what he thinks of Korchinski

Seems like a special talent

For what it’s worth (nothing)

I was going to draft
7 Kemell
13 Korchinski
25 Goyette or Hutson

[Jeffster81]

Hawks went into last night with ZERO first round picks and came out with THREE. Did not particular care how they got there but that's a start for the Davison vision of the Hawks.

Cat trade is definitely light. Davison should have asked and GOT next year's 1st in the trade so why he settle for an subpar package is for him to answer. I'm not mad at the compensation like a lot of Hawks fans, just disappointed. The Dach and Mzarek trades were aceeptable.

As for the players the Hawks actually drafted, we won't be able to judge this draft for a lest 2 years as a guy like Rinzel needs another year at USHL and then a year or two at Minnesota, I believe. Dude is talented but extremely raw. I really like Korchinski but a defensemen who is not good at defense is eye opening. But Frank Nazar is the kid to keep an eye on. I am extremely high on him and was pleasantly surprised he was still available at 13.

But what yesterday told us officially is "Tanking hard for Bedard" is in full affect. Connor Bedard is the best draft prospect, imo, since Auston Matthews and is a legit real prize.

[molepharmer]

Hawks move out Dach, Cat, and will not qualify Strome. Haven't heard what they're doing about Kubalik. Of the remaining forwards aside from Kane and Toews, there's Tyler johnson and a bunch "Who's that?" kind of players. Next highest salaried is Sam Lafferty ($1.1 mil) and everybody else is at $1 mil or less. To say they will be 'bad' next year is an understatement. Welcome to coaching your first NHL team Luke Richardson.

Didn't like what they got for Cat but then, who the heck did.
Not thrilled about trading Dach before a new coach got to work with him. I do really like Nazar though.
Taking a highschooler in the first round is very risky but he comes with plenty of upside.
Don't care about Mrazek salary. Hawks have tons of cap space.

With the drafting of two D men, the Hawks now have 8 D men 21 yrs old or younger; 12 at 23 yrs or younger. Only 4 forwards 21 or younger. **not counting those in college, overseas, etc

Hopefully Dalen Terry shows me something today to pick up my spirits.

[Jeffster81]

Something else to consider about Cat, we don't know what kind of player he will be without Patrick Kane. Make no mistake, Kane took a lot of pressure off of Cat.

[robert76]

Hawks move out Dach, Cat, and will not qualify Strome. Haven't heard what they're doing about Kubalik. Of the remaining forwards aside from Kane and Toews, there's Tyler johnson and a bunch "Who's that?" kind of players. Next highest salaried is Sam Lafferty ($1.1 mil) and everybody else is at $1 mil or less. To say they will be 'bad' next year is an understatement. Welcome to coaching your first NHL team Luke Richardson.

Didn't like what they got for Cat but then, who the heck did.
Not thrilled about trading Dach before a new coach got to work with him. I do really like Nazar though.
Taking a highschooler in the first round is very risky but he comes with plenty of upside.
Don't care about Mrazek salary. Hawks have tons of cap space.

With the drafting of two D men, the Hawks now have 8 D men 21 yrs old or younger; 12 at 23 yrs or younger. Only 4 forwards 21 or younger. **not counting those in college, overseas, etc

Hopefully Dalen Terry shows me something today to pick up my spirits.

As an Avs fan that had to live that awful '16-'17 season when they finished with 48 points, I can tell you it's not going to be pretty. But at least we got to draft a guy called Cale Makar from that disaster. So maybe tanking was the idea behind this yard sale, because otherwise I don't think this was the year to hoard picks.

[GRADEN]

I took some time and did a new deep dive on the farm system:

Blackhawks Prospect Rankings for 22-23 Season

- Prospects are 23 or younger with less than 50 games in NHL

1. C Frank Nazar (18)
- Outstanding speed and elite puck skill makes him a candidate to be a top 2 center in the NHL in 2.5-3 years. He is only 5’10 and his shot is slightly above average at best. He is a playmaking center with true separation speed and puck skill.
CEILING: Top 2 Playmaking Center

2. D Kevin Korchinski (18)
- Good sized LD with tons of PP and skating skill. Looks the part of a smooth skating offensive D. Also really like his keep ability. Would pair nicely with an Alex Vlasic.
CEILING: Top Pair / PP QB

3. LW Lukas Reichel (20)
- Projected as a wing but has played some center. I believe his best fit is a LW ultimately. Has great puck skill and offensive IQ.
CEILING: Top 6 Scoring Wing

4. D Alex Vlasic (21)
- 6’6 stay at home defenseman that is just filling out his frame. A little raw with possession and passing but angles and IQ look to be at an NHL level.
CEILING: Top 4 Defensive Defenseman

5. D Ian Mitchell (23)
- Smaller puck moving D that has been inconsistent so far. Came on the second half and playoffs of AHL season.
CEILING: 5th-8th D in a puck moving role

6. RW Colton Dach (19)
- Was one of the better forwards in the WHL this last season. Has a big frame and shoots the puck. Improved over last season quite a bit.
CEILING: 3rd line scoring wing

7. D Wyatt Kaiser (19)
- Smaller D, very young for his playing year. Outstanding skater with a high compete. Is a defensive puck moving player. At his best he comes up on top in pressure games.
CEILING: 2nd PK / 3rd Pairing puck mover

8. G Arvid Soderblum (22)
- Good sized left catcher with a great track in save percentage over last 3 seasons. Has a ways to go but looks like a nice development piece.
CEILING: Split time starter to backup

9. LW Jalen Luypen (20)
- Quick release wing with high IQ for scoring angles. Really came on and looks the part of a depth piece we can use.
CEILING: Part time bottom 6 scoring wing

10. G Drew Commesso (19)
- Has played well in college and in net for USA. Still very young for his playing stage. Has another college year before 2 AHL years. Long term project.
CEILING: Split time starter to backup

11. D Alec Regula
12. D Sam Rinzel
13. D Nolan Allen
14. D Isaac Phillips
15. LW Michel Teply
16. C Paul Ludwinski
17. D Jakub Galvas
18. C Ryan Greene
19. D Ethan Del Mastro
20. D Taige Harding
21. G Jaxson Stauber
22. LW Landon Slaggert
23. LW Josiah Slavin
24. C Evan Barratt
25. LW Andrei Altybarmakian
26. RW Gavin Hayes
27. C Ryder Rolston
28. RW Mike Hardman
29. D Louis Crevier
30. D Nicolas Beaudin
31. C Viktor Sternborg
32. D Michael Krutil
33. RW Nils Juntrop
34. LW Sam Savoie
35. LW Antii Saarela
36. C Jake Wise
37. C Aiden Thompson
38. LW Dominic James
39. LW Parker Foo
40. LW Cam Morrison

[GRADEN]

So all the “experts” and insiders say this on DeBrincat deal:

Offers were lower because the word is he wasn’t going to extend… heard extension with LAK or DET but others no. That 1/2’d his worth as it’s now a 1 yr deal (if he doesn’t sign QO)

[GRADEN]

Kane to Aves if it were me

Convince him it’s then a 50% cup move and he’d do it

Alex Newhook, 2023 1st (30s) and some filler and pay 1/2 of salary (5.25) and call it a day

This works:

Jack Johnson (then buyout)
Alex Newhook
2023 1st
2024 3rd

Patrick Kane (5.25)
Riley Stillman

[GRADEN]

New hook is close to being a top 2C

2023 1st adds fuel to fire

[GRADEN]

On the timeframe

Rinzel is 4 years out from even starting his elc so more like 5 years to hawks guys

We won’t know about these guys for 4-5 years which should be the start of any pivot to competive hockey

[GRADEN]

Hearing Kane meeting with team - may want out

He would choose the team / teams he excepts

Rangers / Aves at the top
Sabres / Islanders / Leafs / Kings perhaps

Have to think Rangers and Aves here

Rangers package
Kappo Kakko, 2023 1st, D prospect Matthew Robertson, D Ryan Lindgren, and the IR 1.6 they have

For Kane on 50% 5.25

Aves easier deal: D Jack Johnson, C Alex Newhook, 2023 1st, 2024 2nd (for Johnson cap) prospect filler

Kane at 5.25

Look these are the fair deals and Newhook is a future captain so I’m all in for Aves deal