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Re: [HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade… 

Post#981 » by MAMBAEMD » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:12 pm

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I'm sure barring some extreme change of events Kyrie won't be on the nets after this season but I don't think a 2027 first round pick is worth blowing a chance to compete this season.


Do you really believe that the Nets will be in a position to compete next year when their two best players have openly asked to be traded?

If there is a strong belief that both KD and Kyrie will give it everything they have if they remain Nets next year, I wouldn't trade them either, and certainly not for a 2027 FRP.


Do I believe it? I don't know. But to play the other side of it, do you really believe Kyrie Irving is going to not try to play hard on a contract year and that Kevin Durant is going to handle this unprofessionally and not try hard next year?



That's a fair question. I don't know either.

But one thing I know and have seen over the last few years as the culture and climate has shifted in the NBA, is that the players absolutely have been empowered to a very significant degree.

Some of that is good because in the previous several decades, the owners had much more power and wielded it regularly.

The power dynamics have shifted now so the players, specially the superstars have much more say and control.

It is unpredictable how KD and Kyrie will behave.

But if the last few weeks are any indication, they will not be happy campers and will sink another Net season.

Believe me, I take no joy in watching what is happening in Brooklyn. That could easily be LA or another franchise. But in reality, the players have a lot more control and if they are not treated the way they want to be treated, or if their demands are not met, they will lash out or react in some way.
In Kyrie's case, the lack of respect for the coach and management started from the beginning of the season since he was reportedly running his own practices after Nash's practices.

All indications are that if the Nets hold onto Kyrie, it will be a disaster.
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Post#982 » by Pennebaker » Thu Jul 7, 2022 11:55 pm

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Do you really believe that the Nets will be in a position to compete next year when their two best players have openly asked to be traded?

If there is a strong belief that both KD and Kyrie will give it everything they have if they remain Nets next year, I wouldn't trade them either, and certainly not for a 2027 FRP.


Do I believe it? I don't know. But to play the other side of it, do you really believe Kyrie Irving is going to not try to play hard on a contract year and that Kevin Durant is going to handle this unprofessionally and not try hard next year?



That's a fair question. I don't know either.

But one thing I know and have seen over the last few years as the culture and climate has shifted in the NBA, is that the players absolutely have been empowered to a very significant degree.

Some of that is good because in the previous several decades, the owners had much more power and wielded it regularly.

The power dynamics have shifted now so the players, specially the superstars have much more say and control.

It is unpredictable how KD and Kyrie will behave.

But if the last few weeks are any indication, they will not be happy campers and will sink another Net season.

Believe me, I take no joy in watching what is happening in Brooklyn. That could easily be LA or another franchise. But in reality, the players have a lot more control and if they are not treated the way they want to be treated, or if their demands are not met, they will lash out or react in some way.
In Kyrie's case, the lack of respect for the coach and management started from the beginning of the season since he was reportedly running his own practices after Nash's practices.

All indications are that if the Nets hold onto Kyrie, it will be a disaster.


How a player will behave in a contract year is not unpredictable. That is one of the most predictable things in all of sports.

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Post#983 » by MAMBAEMD » Fri Jul 8, 2022 12:12 am

Contract year maximal effort is something we can count on for a vast majority of players.

Less so for superstars.

Even less so for someone like Kyrie, I would presume.

I can't imagine the Nets FO is banking on maximum effort from Kyrie because he is in a contract year.
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Post#984 » by sonic the laker » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:00 am

lakerRD wrote:Contract year maximal effort is something we can count on for a vast majority of players.

Less so for superstars.

Even less so for someone like Kyrie, I would presume.

I can't imagine the Nets FO is banking on maximum effort from Kyrie because he is in a contract year.



I agree with this sentiment, and have stated so, in my own posts.

I'm not saying I agree with such behavior/tactics. But, while your average NBA player is going to give maximum effort, whenever they're in a contract year, this is less so for established star players. They're a known commodity. The only exceptions would be if they're coming off a recent injury, and trying to prove they can still play at a high level, sans injury. I believe KD/Kyrie will play for Brooklyn, if still on the roster. But, I'm not sure either will go "all out" if they're not "all in". That goes double, for Kyrie. But, I'm sure the Nets have already taken all this into account.
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Post#985 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:11 am

I honestly don't know how Kyrie will behave if he's not traded, but the NBA is not a league of limitless second chances. If labels like all star or superstar were all that mattered, teams he wanted to go to would've made the moves necessary to sign him before he opted in.
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Post#986 » by Pythagoras » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:16 am

If a deal happens I predict it’s going to end up being a 4 team mega deal. Spurs will probably be offered like 3 or 4 picks to let Westbrook park in their cap (then buy him out), and some other team will dump a useful buy slightly overpaid player on the Nets.

So Nets fans can stop worrying about Westbrook ending up on their team. There’s next to no chance it happens.
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Post#987 » by MrBigShot » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:22 am

jbk1234 wrote:I honestly don't know how Kyrie will behave if he's not traded, but the NBA is not a league of limitless second chances. If labels like all star or superstar were all that mattered, teams he wanted to go to would've made the moves necessary to sign him before he opted in.


You are absolutely correct. So many teams not being interested in Kyrie is a direct result of his actions. But Kyrie himself is so unpredictable, perhaps more unpredictable than any player in NBA history. Rodman was a little eccentric, but you could count on him being ready to play when the whistle blows.

I don't really think Kyrie cares about the consequences of "misbehaving" so to speak.
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Post#988 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:35 am

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jbk1234 wrote:I honestly don't know how Kyrie will behave if he's not traded, but the NBA is not a league of limitless second chances. If labels like all star or superstar were all that mattered, teams he wanted to go to would've made the moves necessary to sign him before he opted in.


You are absolutely correct. So many teams not being interested in Kyrie is a direct result of his actions. But Kyrie himself is so unpredictable, perhaps more unpredictable than any player in NBA history. Rodman was a little eccentric, but you could count on him being ready to play when the whistle blows.

I don't really think Kyrie cares about the consequences of "misbehaving" so to speak.


He cared enough to opt in.
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Post#989 » by MrBigShot » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:38 am

jbk1234 wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:I honestly don't know how Kyrie will behave if he's not traded, but the NBA is not a league of limitless second chances. If labels like all star or superstar were all that mattered, teams he wanted to go to would've made the moves necessary to sign him before he opted in.


You are absolutely correct. So many teams not being interested in Kyrie is a direct result of his actions. But Kyrie himself is so unpredictable, perhaps more unpredictable than any player in NBA history. Rodman was a little eccentric, but you could count on him being ready to play when the whistle blows.

I don't really think Kyrie cares about the consequences of "misbehaving" so to speak.


He cared enough to opt in.


Only after his bluff to opt out and sign with the lakers didn't work to get him the deal he wanted.
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Post#990 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 8, 2022 1:43 am

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You are absolutely correct. So many teams not being interested in Kyrie is a direct result of his actions. But Kyrie himself is so unpredictable, perhaps more unpredictable than any player in NBA history. Rodman was a little eccentric, but you could count on him being ready to play when the whistle blows.

I don't really think Kyrie cares about the consequences of "misbehaving" so to speak.


He cared enough to opt in.


Only after his bluff to opt out and sign with the lakers didn't work to get him the deal he wanted.


Correct, for all his trail- blazing, free-thinking, rebel-with-a-newfound-cause ways, when his earning capacity was in real jeopardy, he managed to care.
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Post#991 » by sp6r=underrated » Fri Jul 8, 2022 2:32 am

Pythagoras wrote:If a deal happens I predict it’s going to end up being a 4 team mega deal. Spurs will probably be offered like 3 or 4 picks to let Westbrook park in their cap (then buy him out), and some other team will dump a useful buy slightly overpaid player on the Nets.

So Nets fans can stop worrying about Westbrook ending up on their team. There’s next to no chance it happens.


This is the plausible Kyrie to LA scenario. Giving up a player who has a small chance of being impactful 5-15% for a guy who has a 0% chance is a very hard sell. No offense to Russ, whose prime now gets unfairly knocked, he's useless. And taking on Russ is especially hard to sell if it requires shipping out another player as well. And a pick 5 yrs later just isn't enticing to the fans who actually buy season tickets.

Finding a third party who is willing to take on Russ as a salary dump and can give Brooklyn a useful if overpaid player is the best option for all parties
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Post#992 » by sp6r=underrated » Fri Jul 8, 2022 2:37 am

MrBigShot wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I honestly don't know how Kyrie will behave if he's not traded, but the NBA is not a league of limitless second chances. If labels like all star or superstar were all that mattered, teams he wanted to go to would've made the moves necessary to sign him before he opted in.


You are absolutely correct. So many teams not being interested in Kyrie is a direct result of his actions. But Kyrie himself is so unpredictable, perhaps more unpredictable than any player in NBA history. Rodman was a little eccentric, but you could count on him being ready to play when the whistle blows.

I don't really think Kyrie cares about the consequences of "misbehaving" so to speak.


Disagree about Rodman. He was so destructive in San Antonio they could replace him with Will Perdue and have no major dropoff. He also completely imploded after leaving the Chicago cocoon. He still had the athletic ability to be in the NBA but couldn't get a job because he was deemed too unreliable. He needed a very strong support network to be kept in line and even then had issues (97 playoffs).

So if I'm the Nets I don't think you can count on Kyrie to be a rational actor. I still think bringing him back is the smart play if Russ is all your getting but if he was rational he'd be on a max contract
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Post#994 » by Bob Ross » Fri Jul 8, 2022 3:11 am

Would love for Kyrie to destroy both the Nets and the Lakers
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Post#995 » by RoyceDa59 » Fri Jul 8, 2022 3:28 am

So what’s going on here? Trade going down or what?
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Post#997 » by Roscoe Sheed » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:49 am

Windhorst quote was cryptic on the WT regarding the Lakers- hard to know what he means

"And we're monitoring the Lakers. We're monitoring the Lakers."

"Brian, what you're telling me is something is happening in Los Angeles," replied Pablo Torre.

Windhorst goes on to allude to how LeBron James is pushing for the Lakers to trade for Kyrie Irving, and there could be consequences should a deal not be executed.

"Definitely Brooklyn, definitely Utah, and we have the L.A. Lakers on the watch list for pushing back on players guiding so much of what's going on," said Windhorst.
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Post#998 » by NyKnicks1714 » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:01 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Windhorst quote was cryptic on the WT regarding the Lakers- hard to know what he means

"And we're monitoring the Lakers. We're monitoring the Lakers."

"Brian, what you're telling me is something is happening in Los Angeles," replied Pablo Torre.

Windhorst goes on to allude to how LeBron James is pushing for the Lakers to trade for Kyrie Irving, and there could be consequences should a deal not be executed.

"Definitely Brooklyn, definitely Utah, and we have the L.A. Lakers on the watch list for pushing back on players guiding so much of what's going on," said Windhorst.


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Post#999 » by OriginalRed » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:39 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:Windhorst quote was cryptic on the WT regarding the Lakers- hard to know what he means

"And we're monitoring the Lakers. We're monitoring the Lakers."

"Brian, what you're telling me is something is happening in Los Angeles," replied Pablo Torre.

Windhorst goes on to allude to how LeBron James is pushing for the Lakers to trade for Kyrie Irving, and there could be consequences should a deal not be executed.

"Definitely Brooklyn, definitely Utah, and we have the L.A. Lakers on the watch list for pushing back on players guiding so much of what's going on," said Windhorst.

In other words, Brian is being used as a Lebron puff piece to let the Lakers FO know they better part with whatever draft picks they need too in order to pull off this trade or else he's not signing that extension.
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Post#1000 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Fri Jul 8, 2022 6:33 am

Just saw Eric Pincus talking about if Westbrook goes to a 3rd team and the Nets get off Kyrie and Harris they save 80 million in luxury taxes (that’s with them getting back THT and McDermott in his scenario) and they get a huge trade exception…and Nets fans will tell you they owe no draft compensation? Seems to me at minimum they need to send a couple second rounders. Probably should have to send a protected 1st.

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