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Big J · Post #41 » by **Big J** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 3:54 am

I tried to tell y’all about Paolo man. This kid is special. Lotta peeps said he couldn’t play D, but he pretty much clamped Jabari’s ass down when he was matched up on him. Magic made the right pick.

EMG518 · Post #42 » by **EMG518** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:00 am

jman3134 wrote:Paolo is proving me wrong early. His shot looks tight and he is fully utilizing his frame to create space. While he isn't quick enough to turn the corner frequently, he has been methodical enough with the ball, probing when he has the advantage.

It is just one game, but Jabari has struggled. With that said, he hasn't had many meaningful opportunities with the ball.

He worked on his release, the shot has alot more arc now. Looks way better.

K_chile22 · Post #43 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:10 am

I get that he's an off the ball player and that doesn't lend itself well to SL but man. Jabari's handle looked miserable. Maybe it was just jitters and all that but he lost his handle more than anyone else out there and didn't do very much dribbling

Post #44 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:12 am

The handle was serviceable enough. He didn't hit shots. Simple as that.

I have more concern that he was forcing the issue and had a few defensive lapses. The mental side of the game is huge for him in his development. No need to draw sweeping conclusions from 1 game.

clyde21 · Post #45 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:33 am

between Sharpe and Johnson portland has some real athletes now in the backcourt

Post #46 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:34 am

K_chile22 wrote:I get that he's an off the ball player and that doesn't lend itself well to SL but man. Jabari's handle looked miserable. Maybe it was just jitters and all that but he lost his handle more than anyone else out there and didn't do very much dribbling

Handle look iffy at start but I put it down to jitters. He's not confident with it right now.

Big J · Post #47 » by **Big J** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:36 am

Ivey’s speed just jumps off the screen. He’s thrown some great passes too, which a lot of folks said he couldn’t do.

Big J · Post #48 » by **Big J** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:50 am

Sharpe looks like dung. No wonder he sat out the year.

Post #49 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 4:54 am

That's because he isn't in the game. Looks like he hurt his rib.

babyjax13 · Post #50 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:11 am

K_chile22 wrote:I get that he's an off the ball player and that doesn't lend itself well to SL but man. Jabari's handle looked miserable. Maybe it was just jitters and all that but he lost his handle more than anyone else out there and didn't do very much dribbling

He looked nervous to me. The game will be a lot easier for him when he is scoring off of Green's rim gravity. Then he just has to add some ancillary skills. Having seen Chet in SL I feel like at this moment I was wrong not to have him first on my big board, and NBA teams have a lot more access than we do, so I'm not surprise he is looking the worst out of the top three so far...but I'm very confident that a 6-10 guy with that stroke will be a very high level player.

Post #51 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:42 am

I know its just 1 game, but I really dont get how anyone could have watched Ivey in college and then in this game and think he is the next Ja and should play PG. He really has no facilitating skills to speak of.

Which is why I think going to Detroit was one of the best places for him to land. There is no way Detroit will try and hand him the offense over Cade. Since he gets to play next to Cade, he will get to be the secondary ball handler and focus on his scoring and not have to worry about trying to get others involved.

Post #52 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:51 am

This is probably the worst basketball game I have ever watched.

Post #53 » by **jman3134** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:55 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I know its just 1 game, but I really dont get how anyone could have watched Ivey in college and then in this game and think he is the next Ja and should play PG. He really has no facilitating skills to speak of.

Which is why I think going to Detroit was one of the best places for him to land. There is no way Detroit will try and hand him the offense over Cade. Since he gets to play next to Cade, he will get to be the secondary ball handler and focus on his scoring and not have to worry about trying to get others involved.

I disagree. He makes the right pass more often than not, but he gets up in the air far too frequently and doesn't pass people open like Ja. He's no Ja Morant. The comparison was always on burst and raw athleticism. Both shoot set shots and aren't great shooters. They're very different defensively, and Ivey does not have the same vision or IQ.

He sat out what felt like an eternity. But, this whole game feels like that.

clyde21 · Post #54 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 5:59 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I know its just 1 game, but I really dont get how anyone could have watched Ivey in college and then in this game and think he is the next Ja and should play PG. He really has no facilitating skills to speak of.

Which is why I think going to Detroit was one of the best places for him to land. There is no way Detroit will try and hand him the offense over Cade. Since he gets to play next to Cade, he will get to be the secondary ball handler and focus on his scoring and not have to worry about trying to get others involved.

agreed, Detroit is the best spot for him in the top10, just focus on off-ball slashing and cutting, pressuring the rim and the occasional drive/kick. like I said he'll slot in nicely next to Cade/Bey.

he's never been Ja and will never be Ja, dude isn't just gonna magically develop into one of the best PGs in the league b/c he's fast like Ja lol. it was surface level comp just because they are both quick and I guess had similar hair coming out?

Post #55 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 6:07 am

jman3134 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I know its just 1 game, but I really dont get how anyone could have watched Ivey in college and then in this game and think he is the next Ja and should play PG. He really has no facilitating skills to speak of.

Which is why I think going to Detroit was one of the best places for him to land. There is no way Detroit will try and hand him the offense over Cade. Since he gets to play next to Cade, he will get to be the secondary ball handler and focus on his scoring and not have to worry about trying to get others involved.

I disagree. He makes the right pass more often than not, but he gets up in the air far too frequently and doesn't pass people open like Ja. He's no Ja Morant. The comparison was always on burst and raw athleticism. Both shoot set shots and aren't great shooters. They're very different defensively, and Ivey does not have the same vision or IQ.

He sat out what felt like an eternity. But, this whole game feels like that.

He was the lead ball handler for Purdue and he averaged 2.9 assists per game this past year in conference play. The only reason he gets assists is because of how much he has the ball in his hands. How often he is out of control, gets caught up in the air, and just how often he is sped up. There is just no floor general aspect to his game at all.

Also dont get me wrong, this isnt me hating on Ivey. Ive been high on him for a very long time, I had him top 5 on my very first board for this year's class and he never really left my top 5. But trying to have him play PG is just trying to force a square peg in a round hole. Its not his game. He is just a flat out scorer. That is why I think him in Detroit is a great place for him. He's never going to be asked to be the primary facilitator. He gets to most likely be the secondary ball handler and gets to focus on just getting his own. That is what he is best at.

SelfishPlayer · Post #56 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 6:48 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
jman3134 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I know its just 1 game, but I really dont get how anyone could have watched Ivey in college and then in this game and think he is the next Ja and should play PG. He really has no facilitating skills to speak of.

Which is why I think going to Detroit was one of the best places for him to land. There is no way Detroit will try and hand him the offense over Cade. Since he gets to play next to Cade, he will get to be the secondary ball handler and focus on his scoring and not have to worry about trying to get others involved.

I disagree. He makes the right pass more often than not, but he gets up in the air far too frequently and doesn't pass people open like Ja. He's no Ja Morant. The comparison was always on burst and raw athleticism. Both shoot set shots and aren't great shooters. They're very different defensively, and Ivey does not have the same vision or IQ.

He sat out what felt like an eternity. But, this whole game feels like that.

He was the lead ball handler for Purdue and he averaged 2.9 assists per game this past year in conference play. The only reason he gets assists is because of how much he has the ball in his hands. How often he is out of control, gets caught up in the air, and just how often he is sped up. There is just no floor general aspect to his game at all.

Also dont get me wrong, this isnt me hating on Ivey. Ive been high on him for a very long time, I had him top 5 on my very first board for this year's class and he never really left my top 5. But trying to have him play PG is just trying to force a square peg in a round hole. Its not his game. He is just a flat out scorer. That is why I think him in Detroit is a great place for him. He's never going to be asked to be the primary facilitator. He gets to most likely be the secondary ball handler and gets to focus on just getting his own. That is what he is best at.

Gilbert Arenas averaged 2.3 apg his sophomore year.
Purdue played Ivey at SG. They had lessor talented guys playing PG. I've gone through this already with another guy. Internet research will back this up besides watching the games. Just like D Wade wasn't the PG in college but he was the lead ball handler plenty.

God Squad · Post #57 » by **God Squad** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 6:51 am

K_chile22 wrote:I get that he's an off the ball player and that doesn't lend itself well to SL but man. Jabari's handle looked miserable. Maybe it was just jitters and all that but he lost his handle more than anyone else out there and didn't do very much dribbling

jman3134 wrote:The handle was serviceable enough. He didn't hit shots. Simple as that.

I have more concern that he was forcing the issue and had a few defensive lapses. The mental side of the game is huge for him in his development. No need to draw sweeping conclusions from 1 game.

Obviously super early. But he didn't look good to me today at all really. Didn't help that Paolo looked amazing with his passing. By far the worst showing of the top 5 in the early going. With his lack of handle/creation I don't see the "Tatum" comp. He's going to have to tighten that up badly, but the shot still looks smooth.

Chet
Paolo
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God Squad · Post #58 » by **God Squad** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 6:52 am

Big J wrote:Sharpe looks like dung. No wonder he sat out the year.

jman3134 wrote:That's because he isn't in the game. Looks like he hurt his rib.

All apart of his master plan. Fooled em once..

God Squad · Post #59 » by **God Squad** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 7:02 am

How about a Tari Eason to Trevor Ariza comp? First person that came to mind watching him.

BostonCouchGM · Post #60 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Fri Jul 8, 2022 7:06 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I know its just 1 game, but I really dont get how anyone could have watched Ivey in college and then in this game and think he is the next Ja and should play PG. He really has no facilitating skills to speak of.

Which is why I think going to Detroit was one of the best places for him to land. There is no way Detroit will try and hand him the offense over Cade. Since he gets to play next to Cade, he will get to be the secondary ball handler and focus on his scoring and not have to worry about trying to get others involved.

he is without a doubt a PG at the next level. He can't play off ball. Which is why you're dead wrong about the Pistons being a great landing place. It might be one of THE worst tbh. Yes he had turnovers. But he's a 19 y/o playing in the NBA for the first time. Same thing happens to literally every 19 y/o guard. Cade was 7th in the entire league as a rookie in turnovers. I don't remember you or anyone else saying before last season that he shouldn't play PG nor at any time during the season or even now despite that. Ivey clearly needs to work on his handle and playmaking as any young guard in NBA history has had to do. That hopefully comes in time. What you DON'T do is give up on him being a PG because he has the elite first step needed to break pretty much everyone down in ISO and when you factor in working off PnR he's going to be a problem teams will have to account for. More so than Cade tbh. DET is kinda dumb. They have three guys in Hayes, Ivey and Cade who have to play with the ball in their hands to be effective and none of them can play off ball at all nearly as well or sufficiently. It's great that they're all talented but it's God awful roster construction. DET will remain one of the worst teams in the league because of this and their awful head coach who can't develop young talent. I know they have a lot of talent but it isn't enough. It has to compliment each other and in DET it doesn't.