10 Best Seasons Combined: Duncan closer to Hakeem or Hakeem closer to Shaq

[mdonnelly1989]

10 Best Seasons Combined: Duncan closer to Hakeem or Hakeem closer to Shaq

This answer only applies of course for those who think Shaq is better than Hakeem who is better than Duncan

I personally don't see an argument for Duncan over Hakeem. Hakeem was better defensively (comfortably) and better offensively.

I do however, see an argument for Hakeem over Shaq. Hakeem was more balanced. But personally think Shaq overcomes that with his dominance on the offensive end.

[Dutchball97]

Probably too much of a leading question. I don't recall many people who have them ranked Shaq > Hakeem > Duncan on here.

[falcolombardi]

Shaq is not necesarrily better

[SickMother]

This is how I would rank each player's best ten season stretch. The margins are incredibly thin all around but I guess that means I've got Hakeem closer to Shaq...

DUNCAN 98-99 to 07-08
RS: 25.4 PER | .550 TS% | 128.5 WS | .225 WS/48 | 6.4 BPM | 110 ORtg | 94 DRtg
PS: 26.4 PER | .552 TS% | 26.1 WS | .215 WS/48 | 7.3 BPM | 110 ORtg | 97 DRtg

SHAQUILLE 93-94 to 02-03
RS: 29.1 PER | .584 TS% | 125.1 WS | .241 WS/48 | 6.9 BPM | 115 ORtg | 101 DRtg
PS: 28.7 PER | .568 TS% | 24.0 WS | .211 WS/48 | 7.0 BPM | 114 ORtg | 104 DRtg

HAKEEM 85-86 to 94-95
RS: 24.8 PER | .557 TS% | 114.1 WS | .194 WS/48 | 5.7 BPM | 110 ORtg | 97 DRtg
PS: 26.9 PER | .575 TS% | 17.9 WS | .204 WS/48 | 7.5 BPM | 114 ORtg | 101 DRtg

[70sFan]

I actually have both Hakeem and Duncan ahead of Shaq, so...

[Johnny Tomala]

Hakeem 8th, Duncan 9th, Shaq 10th on my rank. Hakeem was the best player out of those 3.

[Dooley]

What are the reasons for having Hakeem significantly over Duncan as a defender? Is there something more detailed beyond stocks + eye test + accolades?

[ty 4191]

I personally don't see an argument for Duncan over Hakeem. Hakeem was better defensively (comfortably) and better offensively.

Which metrics prove this? Which metrics are you basing this on?

[mdonnelly1989]

What are the reasons for having Hakeem significantly over Duncan as a defender? Is there something more detailed beyond stocks + eye test + accolades?

Hakeem is considered a top 2 defender of all time at all positions. Duncan is considered top 10. And albeit is historically great in his own right. I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively

[mdonnelly1989]

I actually have both Hakeem and Duncan ahead of Shaq, so...

What about between Hakeem and Duncan ?

[ty 4191]

What are the reasons for having Hakeem significantly over Duncan as a defender? Is there something more detailed beyond stocks + eye test + accolades?

Hakeem is considered a top 2 defender of all time at all positions. Duncan is considered top 10. And albeit is historically great in his own right. I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively.

You're kidding, right?

All Defensive First Teams:
Duncan: 8
Hakeem: 5

All Defensive Teams:
Duncan: 15
Hakeem: 9

DPOY:
Hakeem: 2
Duncan: 0

Career Defensive Rating:
Duncan: 96
Hakeem: 98

Duncan leads in Defensive Win Shares per 48 in the RS and playoffs, though, it is close.

There's also this:



They're at least relatively close on defense. What you're saying here- "I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively."- is totally unfounded.

And, I'd take Russell and Wilt and Thurmond over Hakeem defensively. Many, many would, here, and elsewhere.

So, he's not a top 2 defender of all time at all positions, either.

[mdonnelly1989]

What are the reasons for having Hakeem significantly over Duncan as a defender? Is there something more detailed beyond stocks + eye test + accolades?

Hakeem is considered a top 2 defender of all time at all positions. Duncan is considered top 10. And albeit is historically great in his own right. I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively.

You're kidding, right?

All Defensive First Teams:
Duncan: 8
Hakeem: 5

All Defensive Teams:
Duncan: 15
Hakeem: 9

DPOY:
Hakeem: 2
Duncan: 0

Career Defensive Rating:
Duncan: 96
Hakeem: 98

Duncan leads in Defensive Win Shares per 48 in the RS and playoffs, though, it is close.

There's also this:



They're at least relatively close on defense. What you're saying here- "I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively."- is totally unfounded.

And, I'd take Russell and Wilt and Thurmond over Hakeem defensively. Many, many would, here, and elsewhere.

So, he's not a top 2 defender of all time at all positions, either.

I'm willing to bet that if we did a poll Hakeem would end up going #2 in that poll. And very few votes would go to Duncan.

I think people would take David Robinson, Ben Wallace, Mutombo and maybe even Wilt and KG over Duncan. He's in that class.

I feel like Hakeem and Bill Russell are in their own tier slightly ahead of the next.

[mdonnelly1989]

What are the reasons for having Hakeem significantly over Duncan as a defender? Is there something more detailed beyond stocks + eye test + accolades?

Hakeem is considered a top 2 defender of all time at all positions. Duncan is considered top 10. And albeit is historically great in his own right. I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively.

You're kidding, right?

All Defensive First Teams:
Duncan: 8
Hakeem: 5

All Defensive Teams:
Duncan: 15
Hakeem: 9

DPOY:
Hakeem: 2
Duncan: 0

Career Defensive Rating:
Duncan: 96
Hakeem: 98

Duncan leads in Defensive Win Shares per 48 in the RS and playoffs, though, it is close.

There's also this:



They're at least relatively close on defense. What you're saying here- "I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively."- is totally unfounded.

And, I'd take Russell and Wilt and Thurmond over Hakeem defensively. Many, many would, here, and elsewhere.

So, he's not a top 2 defender of all time at all positions, either.

Found this. https://www.lineups.com/articles/best-defenders-in-nba-history-top-50/

https://www.nbadraft.net/forums/topic/best-defensive-centers-all-time/

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-best-nba-defensive-players-of-all-time-v1/jeffnorth

https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-nba-defenders-of-all-time/

This is 4 lists where The Dream was ranked top 2 and Duncan wasn't even top 5 on any list. Some lists not even top 10

[ty 4191]

Hakeem is considered a top 2 defender of all time at all positions. Duncan is considered top 10. And albeit is historically great in his own right. I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively.

You're kidding, right?

All Defensive First Teams:
Duncan: 8
Hakeem: 5

All Defensive Teams:
Duncan: 15
Hakeem: 9

DPOY:
Hakeem: 2
Duncan: 0

Career Defensive Rating:
Duncan: 96
Hakeem: 98

Duncan leads in Defensive Win Shares per 48 in the RS and playoffs, though, it is close.

There's also this:



They're at least relatively close on defense. What you're saying here- "I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively."- is totally unfounded.

And, I'd take Russell and Wilt and Thurmond over Hakeem defensively. Many, many would, here, and elsewhere.

So, he's not a top 2 defender of all time at all positions, either.

I'm willing to bet that if we did a poll Hakeem would end up going #2 in that poll. And very few votes would go to Duncan.

I think people would take David Robinson, Ben Wallace, Mutombo and maybe even Wilt and KG over Duncan. He's in that class.

I feel like Hakeem and Bill Russell are in their own tier slightly ahead of the next.

You just totally ignored everything I posted.

Let's make a poll. Let's see.

[Dooley]

What are the reasons for having Hakeem significantly over Duncan as a defender? Is there something more detailed beyond stocks + eye test + accolades?

Hakeem is considered a top 2 defender of all time at all positions. Duncan is considered top 10. And albeit is historically great in his own right. I don't know anyone or have ever meant anyone who considers Duncan on the same level defensively

IDK personally I think they're both all-time inner-circle defenders and I tend to think that there's not a ton of separation between the elite-elite all-time defensive bigs in terms of impact. I could maybe see an argument that Hakeem is a little ahead of Duncan. Pretty dubious that he's comfortably ahead or that the difference is clear and stark.

[ty 4191]

Found this. https://www.lineups.com/articles/best-defenders-in-nba-history-top-50/

https://www.nbadraft.net/forums/topic/best-defensive-centers-all-time/

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-best-nba-defensive-players-of-all-time-v1/jeffnorth

https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-nba-defenders-of-all-time/

This is 4 lists where The Dream was ranked top 2 and Duncan wasn't even top 5 on any list. Some lists not even top 10

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[JordansBulls]

Basically any of them could be in any order.