Burks/Noel trade with New York still not done. Brunson still hasn't signed with NY either. A trade is in the works?

[bstein14]

Burks/Noel trade with New York still not done. Brunson still hasn't signed with NY either. A trade is in the works?

I know this has been mentioned a bit in the other thread, but figured it deserved its own talking point.

This trade not being done yet when it could have been already, as well as the Knicks not signing Brunson yet means that Dallas, New York, and Detroit is working on making this a 3 (or possibly 4) team trade. The full benefits to us are still not entirely clear, but a likely scenario would involve us trading a player out to Dallas that they'd want, giving us more cap space. It's also possible that New York could end up sending Noel or Burks directly to Dallas in the deal, as long its something we want or we're also compensated for.

I believe the Mavs can only take back about 50% of what Brunson signs for due to the base year compensation rules, so if he starts at $24 million they can take back around $12 million give or take a little bit.

[zeebneeb]

It is noteworthy that the deal(s) are not done yet, but it could just be haggling over the fine print as well.

[chrbal]

It’d be funny as (____) if Burks got sent to Dallas and we got our 2nd back from New York to take on Noel. While the Pistons take on Josh green or Frank Ntikilika(?) from Dallas.

[DBC10]

It’d be funny as he** if Burks got sent to Dallas and we got our 2nd back from New York to take on Noel. While the Pistons take on Josh green or Frank Ntikilika(?) from Dallas.

I'm always amused when I see someone try to spell Ntilikina's name. I googled it so I don't know any better. The "T" is silent, who tf knew?

I'd be surprised if the Mavs don't end with anything considering they don't really have anyone they can immediately fill in Brunson's void. They almost have to get back someone halfway decent, getting no value out of Brunson walking away is pretty bad

[bstein14]

It’d be funny as he** if Burks got sent to Dallas and we got our 2nd back from New York to take on Noel. While the Pistons take on Josh green or Frank Ntikilika(?) from Dallas.

I'm always amused when I see someone try to spell Ntilikina's name. I googled it so I don't know any better. The "T" is silent, who tf knew?

I'd be surprised if the Mavs don't end with anything considering they don't really have anyone they can immediately fill in Brunson's void. They almost have to get back someone halfway decent, getting no value out of Brunson walking away is pretty bad

Yes, it feels like even CoJo would be a win for them at this point. They do have Tim Hardaway Jr. and Spencer D so also play in the backcourt so they aren't completely screwed but they could use another rotation worthy guard for sure.

[chrbal]

It’d be funny as he** if Burks got sent to Dallas and we got our 2nd back from New York to take on Noel. While the Pistons take on Josh green or Frank Ntikilika(?) from Dallas.

I'm always amused when I see someone try to spell Ntilikina's name. I googled it so I don't know any better. The "T" is silent, who tf knew?

I'd be surprised if the Mavs don't end with anything considering they don't really have anyone they can immediately fill in Brunson's void. They almost have to get back someone halfway decent, getting no value out of Brunson walking away is pretty bad

Yes, it feels like even CoJo would be a win for them at this point. They do have Tim Hardaway Jr. and Spencer D so also play in the backcourt so they aren't completely screwed but they could use another rotation worthy guard for sure.

Cojo or Burks. Either one. I just want to see this move finally get officially done.

[chrbal]

It’d be funny as he** if Burks got sent to Dallas and we got our 2nd back from New York to take on Noel. While the Pistons take on Josh green or Frank Ntikilika(?) from Dallas.

I'm always amused when I see someone try to spell Ntilikina's name. I googled it so I don't know any better. The "T" is silent, who tf knew?

I'd be surprised if the Mavs don't end with anything considering they don't really have anyone they can immediately fill in Brunson's void. They almost have to get back someone halfway decent, getting no value out of Brunson walking away is pretty bad

Honestly. I wanted to see how close I would get to spelling his name right

[Kilo]

Knicks cut Taj to open up space needed for Brunson. Trade should be finalized and announced soon.

[Snakebites]

I don't expect anything about the fundamentals of the deal to change. I'm sure it's just some technicality, like the delay in the other trades.

It appears to me we've agreed to the trade as is, I don't see why anyone would have any incentive to give us anything else in it.

[Southern Piston]

I wish we could get rid of Noel

[Piston Pete]

Maybe we will throw Hayes/Noel to Dallas for Christian Wood?

[Cowology]

Maybe we will throw Hayes/Noel to Dallas for Christian Wood?

Don't ever change.

[zeebneeb]

Maybe we will throw Hayes/Noel to Dallas for Christian Wood?

This is a crazy one Pete, don't ever change.

[bstein14]

Kidd was just on TV yesterday talking about how they like Dinwiddie's size (and he said no offense to Brunson) in the starting lineup next year and was talking about the Christian Wood addition to the team as well.

Luka - Dinwiddie - Bullock - Smith - Wood will almost certainly be their starting 5. They are just a bit short on bench depth now they have maybe 3 solid bench rotation guys and could use two more... unless Jaden Hardey surprises and ends up being a rotation player for them year 1 from the 2nd round... then they might just need one more guy to fill out the rotation.

[vege]

Kidd was just on TV yesterday talking about how they like Dinwiddie's size (and he said no offense to Brunson) in the starting lineup next year and was talking about the Christian Wood addition to the team as well.

Luka - Dinwiddie - Bullock - Smith - Wood will almost certainly be their starting 5. They are just a bit short on bench depth now they have maybe 3 solid bench rotation guys and could use two more... unless Jaden Hardey surprises and ends up being a rotation player for them year 1 from the 2nd round... then they might just need one more guy to fill out the rotation.

They have a lot of depth, they need to consolidate some of that depth imo

JaVale McGee
Jaden Hardy
Tim Hardaway Jr
Davis Bertans
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
Josh Green
Frank Ntilikina

Those are all playable NBA caliber players other than the listed starting 5 of Luka/Dinwiddie/Bullock/DFS/Wood

[bstein14]

Kidd was just on TV yesterday talking about how they like Dinwiddie's size (and he said no offense to Brunson) in the starting lineup next year and was talking about the Christian Wood addition to the team as well.

Luka - Dinwiddie - Bullock - Smith - Wood will almost certainly be their starting 5. They are just a bit short on bench depth now they have maybe 3 solid bench rotation guys and could use two more... unless Jaden Hardey surprises and ends up being a rotation player for them year 1 from the 2nd round... then they might just need one more guy to fill out the rotation.

They have a lot of depth, they need to consolidate some of that depth imo

JaVale McGee
Jaden Hardy
Tim Hardaway Jr
Davis Bertans
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
Josh Green
Frank Ntilikina

Those are all playable NBA caliber players other than the listed starting 5 of Luka/Dinwiddie/Bullock/DFS/Wood

I forgot they signed McGee. You have to imagine only two of McGee, Bertans, Powell and Kleber get backup PF/C spots and two are out of the rotation.... unless they plan to start McGee, slide Wood to starting PF and Smith to SF so they bring Bullock off the bench. It sounded like Kidd envisioned Dinwiddie starting where Brunson used to.

Either way, too many bigs it seems and they could use another guard/wing perhaps.

[vege]

Kidd was just on TV yesterday talking about how they like Dinwiddie's size (and he said no offense to Brunson) in the starting lineup next year and was talking about the Christian Wood addition to the team as well.

Luka - Dinwiddie - Bullock - Smith - Wood will almost certainly be their starting 5. They are just a bit short on bench depth now they have maybe 3 solid bench rotation guys and could use two more... unless Jaden Hardey surprises and ends up being a rotation player for them year 1 from the 2nd round... then they might just need one more guy to fill out the rotation.

They have a lot of depth, they need to consolidate some of that depth imo

JaVale McGee
Jaden Hardy
Tim Hardaway Jr
Davis Bertans
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
Josh Green
Frank Ntilikina

Those are all playable NBA caliber players other than the listed starting 5 of Luka/Dinwiddie/Bullock/DFS/Wood

I forgot they signed McGee. You have to imagine only two of McGee, Bertans, Powell and Kleber get backup PF/C spots and two are out of the rotation.... unless they plan to start McGee, slide Wood to starting PF and Smith to SF so they bring Bullock off the bench. It sounded like Kidd envisioned Dinwiddie starting where Brunson used to.

Either way, too many bigs it seems and they could use another guard/wing perhaps.

Yeah I think they need another competent ball handler, and that's not Ntilikina. They could use CoJo or Hayes to be honest.

[flow]

Kidd was just on TV yesterday talking about how they like Dinwiddie's size (and he said no offense to Brunson) in the starting lineup next year and was talking about the Christian Wood addition to the team as well.

Luka - Dinwiddie - Bullock - Smith - Wood will almost certainly be their starting 5. They are just a bit short on bench depth now they have maybe 3 solid bench rotation guys and could use two more... unless Jaden Hardey surprises and ends up being a rotation player for them year 1 from the 2nd round... then they might just need one more guy to fill out the rotation.

They have a lot of depth, they need to consolidate some of that depth imo

JaVale McGee
Jaden Hardy
Tim Hardaway Jr
Davis Bertans
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
Josh Green
Frank Ntilikina

Those are all playable NBA caliber players other than the listed starting 5 of Luka/Dinwiddie/Bullock/DFS/Wood

I forgot they signed McGee. You have to imagine only two of McGee, Bertans, Powell and Kleber get backup PF/C spots and two are out of the rotation.... unless they plan to start McGee, slide Wood to starting PF and Smith to SF so they bring Bullock off the bench. It sounded like Kidd envisioned Dinwiddie starting where Brunson used to.

Either way, too many bigs it seems and they could use another guard/wing perhaps.

Bertans has nothing to do with the others. He is brought in to shoot 3's. That's all. His size is immaterial. He plays on the perimeter.

Kleber is a solidified member of their rotation. Powell & McGee will get some minutes.

[thesack12]

It is interesting that it hasn't been made official yet.

However, I'm sure its likely something minor. Probably something along the lines trying Dallas wanting to receive something of worth in order to not file tampering allegations against New York.

[DBC10]

They have a lot of depth, they need to consolidate some of that depth imo

JaVale McGee
Jaden Hardy
Tim Hardaway Jr
Davis Bertans
Dwight Powell
Maxi Kleber
Josh Green
Frank Ntilikina

Those are all playable NBA caliber players other than the listed starting 5 of Luka/Dinwiddie/Bullock/DFS/Wood

I forgot they signed McGee. You have to imagine only two of McGee, Bertans, Powell and Kleber get backup PF/C spots and two are out of the rotation.... unless they plan to start McGee, slide Wood to starting PF and Smith to SF so they bring Bullock off the bench. It sounded like Kidd envisioned Dinwiddie starting where Brunson used to.

Either way, too many bigs it seems and they could use another guard/wing perhaps.

Bertans has nothing to do with the others. He is brought in to shoot 3's. That's all. His size is immaterial. He plays on the perimeter.

Kleber is a solidified member of their rotation. Powell & McGee will get some minutes.

Yep, out of that entire bench lineup, Kleber, Powell, and McGee will get minutes on a playoff setting. Bertans was a complete liability when he played and shouldn't have been out there in the last playoffs. THJ is a shooter without defense. They definitely need some better bench guard play and insurance in case Spencer goes down