***Official 2021-22 Offseason Thread***

[MrDollarBills]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

[Netaman]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Honestly if they can get the Phoenix package I think they are ahead. The Phoenix picks are gonna be good. Ayton and Bridges are better than what was given up for Harden (which was basically everything they had pre-kd).

We got 2 years of MVP level play and some good times. Bad luck in the playoffs but it is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the whole league expects him to go to Phoenix and they are all waiting for that shoe to drop or for phoenix to bungle it further allowing Ayton to sign an offer sheet. If someone was going to beat that offer outright it would happen now before Ayton is off the table.

[NetsJets]

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[Minnamaker]

It is pretty amazing that none of this probably happens with COVID or even a COVID law. I think Kyrie was dumb to not get the vaccine, but a personal choice like that (no matter how ridiculous) really breaks up a team when if this law wasn't in place or COVID wasn't an issue they probably never get here?

It almost seems like they could have taken the approach of "Now that the COVID law is behind us, then this is a non issue and Kyrie, if he wants the extension, apparently wants to be here, and if Kyrie does, KD does, and we were a top seed when they played and probably would be with Simmons.

Had Kyrie and KD played well in the postseason it certainly would have been a lot simpler to do just that.

Instead Kyrie decided to fast for the first time in his career (i think), played like trash outside game 1, and made excuses about being tired from having been a part time player even though there were plenty of days off around the series.

Then they tried to negotiate a non-max extension with him because obviously that's where his value is right now, and he threw a tantrum to the press and threatened to opt out for the MLE (after not finding anyone interested in S&Ts for him except LAL).

So yes, everyone could have taken that approach. but like clock work Kyrie took the path of most resistance and continues to act aggrieved in doing so.

It wasn't the first time he fasted. I don't know when he started, but he definitely did it last year, too. Not during the Playoffs though, as they started later. Last year he played great. I really don't think fasting will be an issue

[CalamityX12]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Summer league?

You mean the guys that don't play ?

Who cares about watching guys who don't play....

[Papi_swav]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Summer league?

You mean the guys that don't play ?

Who cares about watching guys who don't play....

Anthony Morrow dropped 47 points in a summer league, never forget.

[bwgood77]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Honestly if they can get the Phoenix package I think they are ahead. The Phoenix picks are gonna be good. Ayton and Bridges are better than what was given up for Harden (which was basically everything they had pre-kd).

We got 2 years of MVP level play and some good times. Bad luck in the playoffs but it is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the whole league expects him to go to Phoenix and they are all waiting for that shoe to drop or for phoenix to bungle it further allowing Ayton to sign an offer sheet. If someone was going to beat that offer outright it would happen now before Ayton is off the table.

What if Ayton is off the table...like he goes to Indy for Turner. Do you like a Turner and Bridges deal as much? Do you think other teams will try and beat that? Or do you think most teams won't try if they know he only wants to go to Phx.

I hope you guys play hardball and take it into the season.

Is it still expected that Kyrie gets traded? Is that extension rumor not legit?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Honestly if they can get the Phoenix package I think they are ahead. The Phoenix picks are gonna be good. Ayton and Bridges are better than what was given up for Harden (which was basically everything they had pre-kd).

We got 2 years of MVP level play and some good times. Bad luck in the playoffs but it is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the whole league expects him to go to Phoenix and they are all waiting for that shoe to drop or for phoenix to bungle it further allowing Ayton to sign an offer sheet. If someone was going to beat that offer outright it would happen now before Ayton is off the table.

What if Ayton is off the table...like he goes to Indy for Turner. Do you like a Turner and Bridges deal as much? Do you think other teams will try and beat that? Or do you think most teams won't try if they know he only wants to go to Phx.

I hope you guys play hardball and take it into the season.

Is it still expected that Kyrie gets traded? Is that extension rumor not legit?

I really don't see us wanting Turner. If we did the Phoenix deal it would be for Ayton.

I think Marks taking or not taking the Ayton deal in the next few days will show how serious he is about trading KD in the short term.

If he doesn't take I think he is holding out for a New Orleans/Toronto deal or simply holding on to KD.

The Kyrie extension is nothing but a rumor. It would contradict everything Woj, Shams and others seem to be saying. But who knows.

[TheNetsFan]

Here are my preferences as of today

1. Jaylen Brown, Smart, picks

2. Ingram, Nance, 6 first rounders

3. Don't trade KD and see what happens

Phoenix offer is a non starter for me.

So is Toronto. I think Barnes is overrated. And I don't trust Masai to give us what we need.

There's no chance we can get Ingram and 6 first rounders. Maybe you can get Ingram and a pick or two. Maybe you can get CJ or all filler and 4+ picks. Ingram and 6 won't even be approachable.

I don't really buy that.

Even if its not 6, picks we can definitely get Ingram and 4.

Expect less. I wouldn't be surprised if Ingram isn't even touchable.

[TheNetsFan]

Honestly if they can get the Phoenix package I think they are ahead. The Phoenix picks are gonna be good. Ayton and Bridges are better than what was given up for Harden (which was basically everything they had pre-kd).

We got 2 years of MVP level play and some good times. Bad luck in the playoffs but it is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the whole league expects him to go to Phoenix and they are all waiting for that shoe to drop or for phoenix to bungle it further allowing Ayton to sign an offer sheet. If someone was going to beat that offer outright it would happen now before Ayton is off the table.

What if Ayton is off the table...like he goes to Indy for Turner. Do you like a Turner and Bridges deal as much? Do you think other teams will try and beat that? Or do you think most teams won't try if they know he only wants to go to Phx.

I hope you guys play hardball and take it into the season.

Is it still expected that Kyrie gets traded? Is that extension rumor not legit?

I really don't see us wanting Turner. If we did the Phoenix deal it would be for Ayton.

I think Marks taking or not taking the Ayton deal in the next few days will show how serious he is about trading KD in the short term.

If he doesn't take I think he is holding out for a New Orleans/Toronto deal or simply holding on to KD.

The Kyrie extension is nothing but a rumor. It would contradict everything Woj, Shams and others seem to be saying. But who knows.

If we a deal with Turner in it, it's because he's expiring and the Nets want 2024 cap space. Marks must think Ayton would be immovable or at least difficult to move for pure space by then.

[vincecarter4pres]

There's no chance we can get Ingram and 6 first rounders. Maybe you can get Ingram and a pick or two. Maybe you can get CJ or all filler and 4+ picks. Ingram and 6 won't even be approachable.

I don't really buy that.

Even if its not 6, picks we can definitely get Ingram and 4.

Expect less. I wouldn't be surprised if Ingram isn't even touchable.

Idk, I disagree here. If they have KD on board, Ingram, salary filler and 3 picks seems about likely.

[vincecarter4pres]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Summer league?

You mean the guys that don't play ?

Who cares about watching guys who don't play....

Anthony Morrow dropped 47 points in a summer league, never forget.

Good 'ol Concrete Feet!

[vincecarter4pres]

No on Turner. He's criminally overrated. I'd much rather have Ayton. If Marks goes for Turner it's because he's an expiring contract & he didn't want to commit big money to Ayton for 4 years. If we move KD, the only guys under contract in 2024 could theoretically be an expiring Simmons, Bridges & the 2021 rookies. All of our signings & trades so far have been 1-2 year deals.

So do you think their goal is to create max space in the near future to entice someone else to sign there?

I think Marks always maintains flexibility. If the right young guy on a value contract is there, he'll take him. That being said, all signs point to him preserving 2024 cap space, but I'm not quite sure who his target would be. The class currently seems to be headlined by a 31 year old Kawhi, 30 year old Siakam, 28 year old Jaylen Brown & 28 year old Dejounte Murray. Would they be better investments than a 26 year old Ayton? I honestly have no idea, especially given some will likely get extensions before hitting free agency.

Yes, all those players are almost certainly better investments then Ayton.

That isn't to say Ayton is a finished product or anything, but in today's NBA, unless you have a generational big like Jokic or dare I say, Embiid, centers are low impact overall, at least on offense.

Ayton is a decent get overall, but I'm taking the All Star level wing every time.

[TheNetsFan]

I don't really buy that.

Even if its not 6, picks we can definitely get Ingram and 4.

Expect less. I wouldn't be surprised if Ingram isn't even touchable.

Idk, I disagree here. If they have KD on board, Ingram, salary filler and 3 picks seems about likely.

Ingram is on the same timeline as Zion. I don't know if they'd give that up for an unlikely run.

[MrDollarBills]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Honestly if they can get the Phoenix package I think they are ahead. The Phoenix picks are gonna be good. Ayton and Bridges are better than what was given up for Harden (which was basically everything they had pre-kd).

We got 2 years of MVP level play and some good times. Bad luck in the playoffs but it is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the whole league expects him to go to Phoenix and they are all waiting for that shoe to drop or for phoenix to bungle it further allowing Ayton to sign an offer sheet. If someone was going to beat that offer outright it would happen now before Ayton is off the table.

What if Ayton is off the table...like he goes to Indy for Turner. Do you like a Turner and Bridges deal as much? Do you think other teams will try and beat that? Or do you think most teams won't try if they know he only wants to go to Phx.

I hope you guys play hardball and take it into the season.

Is it still expected that Kyrie gets traded? Is that extension rumor not legit?

None of these deals are good, if we are being honest. We will be left without a consistent perimeter scorer.

Durant makes me sick but we need a viable replacement to stay competitive since we don't have our picks.

[MrDollarBills]

It is pretty amazing that none of this probably happens with COVID or even a COVID law. I think Kyrie was dumb to not get the vaccine, but a personal choice like that (no matter how ridiculous) really breaks up a team when if this law wasn't in place or COVID wasn't an issue they probably never get here?

It almost seems like they could have taken the approach of "Now that the COVID law is behind us, then this is a non issue and Kyrie, if he wants the extension, apparently wants to be here, and if Kyrie does, KD does, and we were a top seed when they played and probably would be with Simmons.

Had Kyrie and KD played well in the postseason it certainly would have been a lot simpler to do just that.

Instead Kyrie decided to fast for the first time in his career (i think), played like trash outside game 1, and made excuses about being tired from having been a part time player even though there were plenty of days off around the series.

Then they tried to negotiate a non-max extension with him because obviously that's where his value is right now, and he threw a tantrum to the press and threatened to opt out for the MLE (after not finding anyone interested in S&Ts for him except LAL).

So yes, everyone could have taken that approach. but like clock work Kyrie took the path of most resistance and continues to act aggrieved in doing so.

It wasn't the first time he fasted. I don't know when he started, but he definitely did it last year, too. Not during the Playoffs though, as they started later. Last year he played great. I really don't think fasting will be an issue

The fasting wasn't the issue, the team was disjointed and Kyrie flat out quit after game 1

[Netaman]

It is pretty amazing that none of this probably happens with COVID or even a COVID law. I think Kyrie was dumb to not get the vaccine, but a personal choice like that (no matter how ridiculous) really breaks up a team when if this law wasn't in place or COVID wasn't an issue they probably never get here?

It almost seems like they could have taken the approach of "Now that the COVID law is behind us, then this is a non issue and Kyrie, if he wants the extension, apparently wants to be here, and if Kyrie does, KD does, and we were a top seed when they played and probably would be with Simmons.

Had Kyrie and KD played well in the postseason it certainly would have been a lot simpler to do just that.

Instead Kyrie decided to fast for the first time in his career (i think), played like trash outside game 1, and made excuses about being tired from having been a part time player even though there were plenty of days off around the series.

Then they tried to negotiate a non-max extension with him because obviously that's where his value is right now, and he threw a tantrum to the press and threatened to opt out for the MLE (after not finding anyone interested in S&Ts for him except LAL).

So yes, everyone could have taken that approach. but like clock work Kyrie took the path of most resistance and continues to act aggrieved in doing so.

It wasn't the first time he fasted. I don't know when he started, but he definitely did it last year, too. Not during the Playoffs though, as they started later. Last year he played great. I really don't think fasting will be an issue

it looks like maybe he started doing it last year but I don't remember him at any point going back and forth to the lockerroom during games like he did this year. He's obviously not the first athlete to observe a holiday so i'm not taking a shot at him for that, just that like everything else he does he seems to be unable to do anything else while maintaining his focus on playing basketball.

Kyrie's issue seems to be that everything effects his ability to focus on the court from current events, to his personal scientific beliefs, to religion, to the teammate issues that drove him out in CLE/BOS (and Harden here) and while he has the absolute right to have any of those opinions he doesn't have the right to create conflict with teammates without any accountability.

[Netaman]

Things are so bad no one even cares about summer league.

Honestly if they can get the Phoenix package I think they are ahead. The Phoenix picks are gonna be good. Ayton and Bridges are better than what was given up for Harden (which was basically everything they had pre-kd).

We got 2 years of MVP level play and some good times. Bad luck in the playoffs but it is what it is.

I'm pretty sure the whole league expects him to go to Phoenix and they are all waiting for that shoe to drop or for phoenix to bungle it further allowing Ayton to sign an offer sheet. If someone was going to beat that offer outright it would happen now before Ayton is off the table.

What if Ayton is off the table...like he goes to Indy for Turner. Do you like a Turner and Bridges deal as much? Do you think other teams will try and beat that? Or do you think most teams won't try if they know he only wants to go to Phx.

I hope you guys play hardball and take it into the season.

Is it still expected that Kyrie gets traded? Is that extension rumor not legit?

Without Ayton i'm a pretty firm no on the Phoenix package. Turner is what he is (injury prone mid tier center) and he's expiring.

I think Ayton has a chance to be an all star, he's younger, and you are getting 4 years. I don't know why people don't view him and Bridges as 2 borderline all stars who are young and would be coming over with 4 years of team control but that's how I view them. Turner is filler.

[Netaman]

I don't really buy that.

Even if its not 6, picks we can definitely get Ingram and 4.

Expect less. I wouldn't be surprised if Ingram isn't even touchable.

Idk, I disagree here. If they have KD on board, Ingram, salary filler and 3 picks seems about likely.

agree here i just don't think KD gets on board with NOP (and trusting Zion to stay healthy).

[Netaman]

So do you think their goal is to create max space in the near future to entice someone else to sign there?

I think Marks always maintains flexibility. If the right young guy on a value contract is there, he'll take him. That being said, all signs point to him preserving 2024 cap space, but I'm not quite sure who his target would be. The class currently seems to be headlined by a 31 year old Kawhi, 30 year old Siakam, 28 year old Jaylen Brown & 28 year old Dejounte Murray. Would they be better investments than a 26 year old Ayton? I honestly have no idea, especially given some will likely get extensions before hitting free agency.

Yes, all those players are almost certainly better investments then Ayton.

That isn't to say Ayton is a finished product or anything, but in today's NBA, unless you have a generational big like Jokic or dare I say, Embiid, centers are low impact overall, at least on offense.

Ayton is a decent get overall, but I'm taking the All Star level wing every time.

question for you - why wouldn't Ayton and Bridges on 4 year deals (with all the PHO picks) be good gets?

when I look at what we gave up for Harden, I think the Phoenix picks are better because KD is 2 years older now and CP3 is much older than Harden was at the time. Sarver is a crappy owner.

the rest of the net package was basically Allen, and I think Ayton and Allen are pretty damn comparable at the level just below the true top centers. Ayton a little more polished, Allen a little better above the rim.

Bridges is a pretty big trump card though. He's on a good contract, he's an absolutely elite 3 & d wing, and offensively who knows. I'm not expecting him to have the Kawhi jump but I do think there's room for him to be a little more of a shot creator.

it's not a perfect package but I don't see it so far off Barnes/OG or Ingram/Herb. Against both it's probably a slightly worse first piece and better second piece. With better draft picks. But since it's KD's first priority and the team that should have the most urgency to get him, I'd have a very tough time passing on that deal if Ayton is about to walk and cripple their chances of putting together a package as good as that in the future.