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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#21 » by hookshot199 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 3:21 pm

mjkvol wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
kriss73 wrote:
It may be...but benching Tobias for House? It's gonna be a problem to bench your most paid player for the BAE guy.
Especially during the RS.

You suddenly NEED to trade Tobias ASAP and it would be even harder.


You play your best players or best lineups no matter what you're paying them. The Warriors won their 1st Championship with their highest paid player (David Lee) benched for Draymond Green, a 2nd round pick.


Steve Kerr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doc Rivers
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Post#22 » by hookshot199 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 3:23 pm

And therein lies the problem. We probably have enough depth if Doc were Steve Kerr. He's not, so we probably will never find out.
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Post#23 » by 76ciology » Sat Jul 9, 2022 6:11 pm

youngcrev wrote:I could see them changing up the 5th starter depending on matchup (and more notably, where you need to hide Harden).

If you're playing a high powered backcourt like the Suns or Hawks, I could see Melton or Thybulle getting the call over Tucker.


I think it depends on opponents’ frontcourt.
If the opponents frontcourt is small, we’ll try to explore playing small or microball.
We try to play the most tolerable small line-up we can.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#24 » by youngcrev » Sat Jul 9, 2022 7:57 pm

76ciology wrote:
youngcrev wrote:I could see them changing up the 5th starter depending on matchup (and more notably, where you need to hide Harden).

If you're playing a high powered backcourt like the Suns or Hawks, I could see Melton or Thybulle getting the call over Tucker.


I think it depends on opponents’ frontcourt.
If the opponents frontcourt is small, we’ll try to explore playing small or microball.
We try to play the most tolerable small line-up we can.


Can you really consider any lineup with Joel Embiid "small ball"? Tobias isn't exactly small for a 4 either.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#25 » by 76ciology » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:42 am

youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:
youngcrev wrote:I could see them changing up the 5th starter depending on matchup (and more notably, where you need to hide Harden).

If you're playing a high powered backcourt like the Suns or Hawks, I could see Melton or Thybulle getting the call over Tucker.


I think it depends on opponents’ frontcourt.
If the opponents frontcourt is small, we’ll try to explore playing small or microball.
We try to play the most tolerable small line-up we can.


Can you really consider any lineup with Joel Embiid "small ball"? Tobias isn't exactly small for a 4 either.


Personally I have these line-ups

Play Microball
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Tucker

Play Small
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Embiid
OR
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tucker-Embiid


I think Embiid and Tobias can match-up in quickness against:
LeBron-AD
Middleton-Giannis
Wiggins-Draymond
Barnes-Siakam
Tatum-Horford
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#26 » by youngcrev » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:50 am

76ciology wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:
I think it depends on opponents’ frontcourt.
If the opponents frontcourt is small, we’ll try to explore playing small or microball.
We try to play the most tolerable small line-up we can.


Can you really consider any lineup with Joel Embiid "small ball"? Tobias isn't exactly small for a 4 either.


Personally I have these line-ups

Play Microball
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Tucker

Play Small
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Embiid
OR
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tucker-Embiid


I think Embiid and Tobias can match-up in quickness against:
LeBron-AD
Middleton-Giannis
Wiggins-Draymond
Barnes-Siakam
Tatum-Horford


Ah, I presumed you were talking about starting lineups.

I could see them playing a smaller, switch everything, 5 out lineup quite a bit with Harden-Melton-House-Tobias-Tucker.

Maxey kinda throws the switch part out the window, but it would be fun to see him with a wide open paint to drive.

As for Tobias/Embiid matching up with the teams, that's the least of my worries defensively. The Maxey-Harden combo is where you have an issue. Maxey's gotta get better on that end. You can at least move Harden around to a few different positions to hide him.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#27 » by 76ciology » Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:13 am

youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Can you really consider any lineup with Joel Embiid "small ball"? Tobias isn't exactly small for a 4 either.


Personally I have these line-ups

Play Microball
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Tucker

Play Small
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tobias-Embiid
OR
Maxey-Harden-Melton-Tucker-Embiid


I think Embiid and Tobias can match-up in quickness against:
LeBron-AD
Middleton-Giannis
Wiggins-Draymond
Barnes-Siakam
Tatum-Horford


Ah, I presumed you were talking about starting lineups.

I could see them playing a smaller, switch everything, 5 out lineup quite a bit with Harden-Melton-House-Tobias-Tucker.

Maxey kinda throws the switch part out the window, but it would be fun to see him with a wide open paint to drive.

As for Tobias/Embiid matching up with the teams, that's the least of my worries defensively. The Maxey-Harden combo is where you have an issue. Maxey's gotta get better on that end. You can at least move Harden around to a few different positions to hide him.


Ah no..

I think we’d start with

Maxey-Harden-Tobias-Tucker-Embiid

I do see the same concern with Maxey. But I try to be optimistic and find ways to play our best players as primary then just adjust depending on the situation.

Late game if teams try to hunt Maxey, there’s a possibility we sub him for Melton or House. If teams hunt Tobias, then there’s a possibility we sub Tobias for Tucker. If that still wont work, possibly sub Tucker for Paul Reed (i.e Giannis going crazy on offense).

We’d then generate open looks off Harden/Embiid, while being switchable on defense.

Harden-Melton-House-Tucker-Embiid is also a good 5 man unit on paper.

Nice to have lots of switchable players who plays 2 ways that you can put lots of combinations depending on the situation

Our game is also simple that its almost plug and play.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#28 » by 76ciology » Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:17 am

Also nice to be able to play either Tucker and Reed at PF.

We really lack PF depth who can defend Giannis and even possibly Durant on single coverage. That was one of the reason we signed Gary Clark in 2021 playoffs.

Guys on our roster that I think can defend Giannis on single coverage:
- Tucker
- Reed
- Embiid
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#29 » by SixersSince82 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:49 am

Doc likes to sub all 5 guys in at once and run it kinda like a hockey lineup. So I think he'll be pretty straight forward to start the season.
Starting unit: Harden, Maxey, Tobias, Tucker, Joel
Bench unit: Shake, Melton, House, Niang, Reed.

Bassey picks up slack when Joel is out and Thybulle picks up slack when there's a wing injury.

It's not what I would do but it is what I think Doc will do during the regular season or until he's forced out of it one way or another.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#30 » by youngcrev » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:34 pm

SixersSince82 wrote:Doc likes to sub all 5 guys in at once and run it kinda like a hockey lineup. So I think he'll be pretty straight forward to start the season.
Starting unit: Harden, Maxey, Tobias, Tucker, Joel
Bench unit: Shake, Melton, House, Niang, Reed.

Bassey picks up slack when Joel is out and Thybulle picks up slack when there's a wing injury.

It's not what I would do but it is what I think Doc will do during the regular season or until he's forced out of it one way or another.


You can't put that bench unit on the floor
:lol:

Doc staggered his starters post trade, I imagine that will continue. It's how our roster is built
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#31 » by PhillyNj » Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:00 pm

Starter
pg. Harden/Melton
Sg. Maxey / Melton
Sf. Harris / Thybulle
Pf. Tucker/ Neing
C. Embiidi/ Reed
3rd stringers
Bassey, Milton , Korkmaz,Joe,House,Springer
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Post#32 » by pr0wler » Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:55 am

PhillyNj wrote:Starter
pg. Harden/Melton
Sg. Maxey / Melton
Sf. Harris / Thybulle
Pf. Tucker/ Neing
C. Embiidi/ Reed
3rd stringers
Bassey, Milton , Korkmaz,Joe,House,Springer


House will be in the main rotation for sure.
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Post#33 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:39 am

Harden(31)/Milton(10)/Melton(5)/Maxey(2)
Maxey(33)/Melton(10)/Joe or Thybulle(5)
Tucker(20)/House(16)/Melton(12)
Harris(33)/Reed(5)/Tucker(5)/Niang(5)
Embiid(35)/Reed(13)

This is a pretty deep team. Minutes are going to be tough to come by.
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Post#34 » by Ksny13 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:25 am

I think this is going to be an incredibly solid team this year. Especially if Harden is truly healthy and Embid drops the MVP thing. PJ Tucker is an incredible boost to this team. He's a winning player period. He makes the right play everytime and he's a huge vocal leader. Everyteam the guy plays for just simply wins and he's a big part of that. Melton is a very solid 3-D guard who will add some much needed athletic ability to this team. I've watched a lot of House of the years with Houston and he was always a solid player. The biggest issue with him was his consistency from 3 and his occasional brain fart moment when he would but the ball on the floor a little to much and do something wild. But he's a hustle guy and now that there isn't a bubble he won't have any off the court issues :lol:

Harden
Maxey
Harris
PJ
Embid
Melton
House
Thybulle
Reed
Giang
Milton
Kork
Basey

This is a really solid foundation. I know alot of you Sixers fans are really hard on guys like Harris and Thybulle but I think with the right players around them and roll they will be perfect complimentary pieces. We say this last year with Harris once he started to get comfortable with his new role and James. I would keep Thybulle moving forward if I were Phili. He's more than playable in the regular season and for spot moments in the playoffs when Phili goes small and they need some defensive pressure. I think they will land a top 2 seed this season barring health and it will be a close battle with Boston on who will represent the East in the finals. PJ is really going to surprise alot of you guys who are not so high on him. This was such a great pick up.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#35 » by PhillyNj » Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:36 am

Iverson Armband wrote:Harden(31)/Milton(10)/Melton(5)/Maxey(2)
Maxey(33)/Melton(10)/Joe or Thybulle(5)
Tucker(20)/House(16)/Melton(12)
Harris(33)/Reed(5)/Tucker(5)/Niang(5)
Embiid(35)/Reed(13)

This is a pretty deep team. Minutes are going to be tough to come by.

Milton has no shot at backing up Harden. ( he’s not a point guard).Joe only plays when someone sits.
Tucker plays more than 25 mins.( they paid him 11 mil a year!)
Harris and Maxey will both play more than 33 mins.
I agree totally this is a deep team.
I think it’s the best Sixers team since 2001 finals team. I expect 56 - 58 wins. Boston and the Sixers in the Eastern conference title game. With the healthier team winning it all.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#36 » by Iverson Armband » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:14 pm

PhillyNj wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:Harden(31)/Milton(10)/Melton(5)/Maxey(2)
Maxey(33)/Melton(10)/Joe or Thybulle(5)
Tucker(20)/House(16)/Melton(12)
Harris(33)/Reed(5)/Tucker(5)/Niang(5)
Embiid(35)/Reed(13)

This is a pretty deep team. Minutes are going to be tough to come by.

Milton has no shot at backing up Harden. ( he’s not a point guard).Joe only plays when someone sits.
Tucker plays more than 25 mins.( they paid him 11 mil a year!)
Harris and Maxey will both play more than 33 mins.
I agree totally this is a deep team.
I think it’s the best Sixers team since 2001 finals team. I expect 56 - 58 wins. Boston and the Sixers in the Eastern conference title game. With the healthier team winning it all.


- I have Maxey at 35 minutes
- Harris shouldn’t play over 33 minutes a night with Tucker on this team
11M is peanuts in the NBA. PJ was brought here for the playsoffs and is 38 years old. He better not be playing 30+ minutes this year in the regular season.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#37 » by youngcrev » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:05 pm

I'd like to see something like:

Harden (32) | Maxey (16)
Maxey (18) | Melton (24) | Milton (6)
Thybulle (24) | House (16) | Tucker (6) | Melton (2)
Harris (32) | Tucker (16)
Embiid (32) | Reed (12) | Tucker (4)

Maxey 34
Harden 32
Harris 32
Embiid 32
Melton 26
Tucker 26
Thybulle 24
House 16
Reed 12
Milton 6

Keeping Thybulle in the lineup allows them to keep Tucker's minutes down at a reasonable level, while giving him a last chance to see if he can figure out a role offensively (or potentially helping his trade value by reminding teams what he can do defensively). In reality Tucker probably gets the nod, but I'll just keep that in there.

Maxey/Embiid and Harden/Harris would stagger to remain on the floor at all times. Shake gets some run, otherwise you end up playing Melton for really long stretches. Reed serves as Embiid's primary back with Tucker mixed in for some short stretches to experiment with switch everything.
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Post#38 » by Zumramania » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:34 pm

Last season Shake Milton is a horrible player, and he played 21.4 minutes per game lol...This season I'd rather give his minutes to Joe, because he might develop into a playoff player, while this guy is done. But there won't be many minutes anyway.
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Post#39 » by pr0wler » Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:47 pm

Replacing Shake's minutes with Melton will be huge. And not being forced to play Reed, Niang, and Thybuille big minutes is certainly a blessing. I don't mind them in the rotation, but when these guys are spearheading your bench, you know things aren't looking great lol.

Some bench units with

Harden/Melton/Harris/House/PJ Tucker could be really interesting. We got options.
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Re: Depth Chart/Minute Allocation 

Post#40 » by M2J » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:22 pm

youngcrev wrote:I'd like to see something like:

Harden (32) | Maxey (16)
Maxey (18) | Melton (24) | Milton (6)
Thybulle (24) | House (16) | Tucker (6) | Melton (2)
Harris (32) | Tucker (16)
Embiid (32) | Reed (12) | Tucker (4)

Maxey 34
Harden 32
Harris 32
Embiid 32
Melton 26
Tucker 26
Thybulle 24
House 16
Reed 12
Milton 6

Keeping Thybulle in the lineup allows them to keep Tucker's minutes down at a reasonable level, while giving him a last chance to see if he can figure out a role offensively (or potentially helping his trade value by reminding teams what he can do defensively). In reality Tucker probably gets the nod, but I'll just keep that in there.

Maxey/Embiid and Harden/Harris would stagger to remain on the floor at all times. Shake gets some run, otherwise you end up playing Melton for really long stretches. Reed serves as Embiid's primary back with Tucker mixed in for some short stretches to experiment with switch everything.


I generally agree they really should start Thybulle. The extra athleticism throughout the year will help, plus all the other big picture benefits you listed.

I just hope that they're open to starting Tucker for big matchups and in the playoffs of course. Kind of how it played out for Danny Green this year starting in the playoffs after not so much in the season. They made a big investment in Tucker and I think they should really preserve it over the next 2 years at least.

I would even be okay with starting Melton if shooting is effecting the starters.

The fact that they've added 3 3 and D rotation players in 1 off-season is a huge boost that was very hard to expect. But they would be so wise to go ahead and address that backup center issue. You just don't try to develop guys that are that unproven on a contending team, and I really wouldn't want Tucker battling centers all year long. Whiteside, someone.

I'm starting to think about Dwight Howard would be a good option. Mainly because He's almost out of the league. That would give you the flexibility of trying it the way all of you want to try it. But having a pretty solid release valve for defense and rebounding when it doesn't work. I would imagine someone like Whiteside would want a guarantee that he's the backup center.

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