[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Hello Brooklyn]

No he’s not. If the choices are keep assets and roll with what we got or sell the farm for Kyrie, I would much rather choose the former. When people tell you who they are, believe them. Kyrie’s not playing for the Nets without a max deal, and whoever gives him his next max extension will regret it.

I had worried the Lakers were going to end up being those suckers, but they may yet get bailed out of their stupidity by the Nets.

Don't get me wrong, my disdain for Kyrie's professionalism is extreme. I think him going full moron is a great possibility. And giving him a max deal is madness. Most likely he is at LA/DAL stage Rodman, who was forced into retirement.

But if I'm the Nets I still think my best option is bring him back, tell him he'll get minutes and chance to audition for max. If he behaves treat him as normal. But warn him any stupidity and he gets Walled for the season.

That hits me as a better deal than the Westbrook style packages, which have a 0% chance of providing value.

Kyrie once threatened to have surgery and sit out the season for the Cavs if he didn’t get traded.

He cost himself nearly 15 million last year over a vaccine.

He’s not auditioning for anything. If the Nets are bringing Kyrie back, they better be ready to max him, otherwise this is going to be a disaster. Paying him 36 million to sit on the bench is absolutely not a better deal than paying WB 47 million to sit on the bench and get draft compensation.

Now, they may get a championship out of this year if they max Kyrie, so it may be worth the gamble. But mark my words, the Nets aren’t going to be able to leverage this guy into doing what they want.

Are the Lakers really prepared to give Kyrie 100 million just to appease LeBron?

Because that would be the entire point of the trade.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Best deal yet everyone would say yes to that . Nets get picks and players , suns get Kd we get a scoring guard .. I can’t see how anyone would say no

Hard pass.

[celticfan42487]

Per Stein Nets want picks from the Lakers.

Is that a dealbreaker or what?

Two future firsts seems fair

I think the Lakers unprotected 2027 1st alone is a goldmine. That's almost certainly a top 5 pick.

Hmm, if so then yeah no more than that.

That said it's the Lakers. They can be trash and will get an MVP for free so I wouldn't be so sure about it.

[Kilroy]

Per Stein Nets want picks from the Lakers.

Is that a dealbreaker or what?

The Lakers gave up a 1st to get Dennis freaking Schroder in 2020. If they don't do it for Kyrie I'll lose my mind.

Maybe if LeBron and AD had proven they could get to the playoffs regularly without him, I'd be willing to give as many picks as necessary...
But the reality is, I'm not convinced Kyrie gets us where we want to be...
So why leverage the future to appease over-the-hill LeBron... Prime LeBron? Sure... But this LeBron is no longer capable of giving consistent energy on both ends of the floor for an entire season, and in fact is a liability on D...

Remember when both AD and LeBron told Pelinka that Russell Westbrook was the answer to getting over the hump?

Everybody knows there are no other legit suitors for Kyrie... Why outbid ourselves with multiple picks?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Two future firsts seems fair

I think the Lakers unprotected 2027 1st alone is a goldmine. That's almost certainly a top 5 pick.

Hmm, if so then yeah no more than that.

That said it's the Lakers. They can be trash and will get an MVP for free so I wouldn't be so sure about it.

Lakers couldn't dump Westbrick for a 2027 pick. Now we also have to include Kyrie and Joe Harris?

No thanks.

Lets wait till November. Some team will be unhappy with their situation and take a gamble on Kyrie. Without forcing the Nets to take on Westbrick.

[G R E Y]

Best deal yet everyone would say yes to that . Nets get picks and players , suns get Kd we get a scoring guard .. I can’t see how anyone would say no

Here it comes - no lol

The 1st we get is not enough just to eat RW's salary alone. But on top of that we are to give up two rotation players - a starter and 3&D 6th man at that - for nothing? Just to make salaries balance out better?

This is horrible asset management - we could get more assets for either or combining both JRich and Doug - and we're just there as huge favour doers for everyone else. Nope.

[Jfh20]

i dont care about kyries history, put him in a heat uniform and he will be MVP and Champion. dont send him to the lakers, send him somewhere where his talent will be put to good use.

Nobody but the Lakers are going to offer anything of value as that's the only team he wants to play for. There's zero indication that MIA wants to trade for Kyrie.

lakers have nothing to offer. he needs to give that dream up.

[Ballerhogger]

Best deal yet everyone would say yes to that . Nets get picks and players , suns get Kd we get a scoring guard .. I can’t see how anyone would say no

Hard pass.

How are you going say hard pass to that ? What ? Besides the picks your getting good players return and players that can be easily moved after this season

[Ballerhogger]

Best deal yet everyone would say yes to that . Nets get picks and players , suns get Kd we get a scoring guard .. I can’t see how anyone would say no

Here it comes - no lol

The 1st we get is not enough just to eat RW's salary alone. But on top of that we are to give up two rotation players - a starter and 3&D 6th man at that - for nothing? Just to make salaries balance out better?

This is horrible asset management - we could get more assets for either or combining both JRich and Doug - and we're just there as huge favour doers for everyone else. Nope.

Richardson and Doug are older vets taking up minutes on non playoff team no? I get the Westbrook cost and the spurs should get another first . But Both these players are salary fillers are they not ?

[Ballerhogger]

I think the Lakers unprotected 2027 1st alone is a goldmine. That's almost certainly a top 5 pick.

Hmm, if so then yeah no more than that.

That said it's the Lakers. They can be trash and will get an MVP for free so I wouldn't be so sure about it.

Lakers couldn't dump Westbrick for a 2027 pick. Now we also have to include Kyrie and Joe Harris?

No thanks.

Lets wait till November. Some team will be unhappy with their situation and take a gamble on Kyrie. Without forcing the Nets to take on Westbrick.

Which teams lol . I don’t see it

[Ballerhogger]

Per Stein Nets want picks from the Lakers.

Is that a dealbreaker or what?

Two future firsts seems fair

I think the Lakers unprotected 2027 1st alone is a goldmine. That's almost certainly a top 5 pick.

Correct this will be after the Lebron era . AD will be aged by then

[Dick Tate]

I’d be quite happy to see the Nets price themselves out of a trade.

[Dick Tate]

I think the Lakers unprotected 2027 1st alone is a goldmine. That's almost certainly a top 5 pick.

Hmm, if so then yeah no more than that.

That said it's the Lakers. They can be trash and will get an MVP for free so I wouldn't be so sure about it.

Lakers couldn't dump Westbrick for a 2027 pick. Now we also have to include Kyrie and Joe Harris?

No thanks.

Lets wait till November. Some team will be unhappy with their situation and take a gamble on Kyrie. Without forcing the Nets to take on Westbrick.

You think a team is going to be that unhappy by November?

[Jkam31]

Read on Twitter

just curious, do people actually think this is how trades get done? As if these guys aren't talking to each other on the phone constantly, in meetings, including in person, off hours business dinners, drinks, etc. Instead it all happens in their chat during summer league.

I don’t even do fantasy football trades in **** public like that

[Kilroy]

i dont care about kyries history, put him in a heat uniform and he will be MVP and Champion. dont send him to the lakers, send him somewhere where his talent will be put to good use.

Nobody but the Lakers are going to offer anything of value as that's the only team he wants to play for. There's zero indication that MIA wants to trade for Kyrie.

lakers have nothing to offer. he needs to give that dream up.

Doesn't have to give up on it, just has to postpone it... He's getting paid this season no matter what, so just kick back and join LA next season when the Lakers have a ton of cap space.

[celticfan42487]

Hmm, if so then yeah no more than that.

That said it's the Lakers. They can be trash and will get an MVP for free so I wouldn't be so sure about it.

Lakers couldn't dump Westbrick for a 2027 pick. Now we also have to include Kyrie and Joe Harris?

No thanks.

Lets wait till November. Some team will be unhappy with their situation and take a gamble on Kyrie. Without forcing the Nets to take on Westbrick.

You think a team is going to be that unhappy by November?

I think that puts the Nets in a significantly worse position than now, by the trade deadline they'll be staring down the barrel of a massive luxury tax payment and losing at least Irving for nothing in free agency.

It seems far better for them to wrap this for at least Irving before training camp happens.

I guess with KD you can wait it out until the trade deadline but that's going to play hell on the team and it'll be difficult for them to turn the page with that looming over them. Nor does one expect KD will be playing hard and risking his health for a team he's demanded to leave. At best the team will allow him to excuse himself from the team for the first few months.

Which you do what you gotta do but that's not in the ideal interest of the Nets and whomever their new coach will be, because no way in hell you stick with an unproven puppet as your culture setter for your new era.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Best deal yet everyone would say yes to that . Nets get picks and players , suns get Kd we get a scoring guard .. I can’t see how anyone would say no

Hard pass.

How are you going say hard pass to that ? What ? Besides the picks your getting good players return and players that can be easily moved after this season

Not trading KD with Ayton as the main piece back. Sorry.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Lakers couldn't dump Westbrick for a 2027 pick. Now we also have to include Kyrie and Joe Harris?

No thanks.

Lets wait till November. Some team will be unhappy with their situation and take a gamble on Kyrie. Without forcing the Nets to take on Westbrick.

You think a team is going to be that unhappy by November?

I think that puts the Nets in a significantly worse position than now, by the trade deadline they'll be staring down the barrel of a massive luxury tax payment and losing at least Irving for nothing in free agency.

It seems far better for them to wrap this for at least Irving before training camp happens.

I guess with KD you can wait it out until the trade deadline but that's going to play hell on the team and it'll be difficult for them to turn the page with that looming over them. Nor does one expect KD will be playing hard and risking his health for a team he's demanded to leave. At best the team will allow him to excuse himself from the team for the first few months.

Which you do what you gotta do but that's not in the ideal interest of the Nets and whomever their new coach will be, because no way in hell you stick with an unproven puppet as your culture setter for your new era.

Losing Irving for nothing as opposed to losing Harris and taking back Westbrick?

Thats negative value.

I'm fine with getting nothing for Kyrie.

Lets see LA put their money with their mouth is and offer 31 year old Kyrie a 4 year 120 million+ dollar contract after sitting out 2 years and sucking in the playoffs.

[Pythagoras]

Don't get me wrong, my disdain for Kyrie's professionalism is extreme. I think him going full moron is a great possibility. And giving him a max deal is madness. Most likely he is at LA/DAL stage Rodman, who was forced into retirement.

But if I'm the Nets I still think my best option is bring him back, tell him he'll get minutes and chance to audition for max. If he behaves treat him as normal. But warn him any stupidity and he gets Walled for the season.

That hits me as a better deal than the Westbrook style packages, which have a 0% chance of providing value.

Kyrie once threatened to have surgery and sit out the season for the Cavs if he didn’t get traded.

He cost himself nearly 15 million last year over a vaccine.

He’s not auditioning for anything. If the Nets are bringing Kyrie back, they better be ready to max him, otherwise this is going to be a disaster. Paying him 36 million to sit on the bench is absolutely not a better deal than paying WB 47 million to sit on the bench and get draft compensation.

Now, they may get a championship out of this year if they max Kyrie, so it may be worth the gamble. But mark my words, the Nets aren’t going to be able to leverage this guy into doing what they want.

Are the Lakers really prepared to give Kyrie 100 million just to appease LeBron?

Because that would be the entire point of the trade.

Sadly yes. I’m sure they are. Either your Nets or my Lakers are going to end up with a maxed Kyrie. The only question is which spot will he land.

[Kurtz]

You think a team is going to be that unhappy by November?

I think that puts the Nets in a significantly worse position than now, by the trade deadline they'll be staring down the barrel of a massive luxury tax payment and losing at least Irving for nothing in free agency.

It seems far better for them to wrap this for at least Irving before training camp happens.

I guess with KD you can wait it out until the trade deadline but that's going to play hell on the team and it'll be difficult for them to turn the page with that looming over them. Nor does one expect KD will be playing hard and risking his health for a team he's demanded to leave. At best the team will allow him to excuse himself from the team for the first few months.

Which you do what you gotta do but that's not in the ideal interest of the Nets and whomever their new coach will be, because no way in hell you stick with an unproven puppet as your culture setter for your new era.

Losing Irving for nothing as opposed to losing Harris and taking back Westbrick?

Thats negative value.

I'm fine with getting nothing for Kyrie.

Lets see LA put their money with their mouth is and offer 31 year old Kyrie a 4 year 120 million+ dollar contract after sitting out 2 years and sucking in the playoffs.

Do you see Harris as an asset rather than an onerous contract? Because when I look at the proposed Irving/Harris package I see it as Lakers giving Brooklyn luxury tax relief, and it's one of the benefits of the deal to Brooklyn.

Harris really doesn't need to be included - the salaries work if Brooklyn adds Sumner instead.