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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1061 » by Shock Defeat » Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:23 am

Mephariel wrote:I think his handles has to be worrisome right? It is not that easy to develop handles. As a Kings fan, I was waiting for Buddy Hield to develop his, and he only mildly did so throughout his tenure, but never enough to become more than who he was.

A 6’10” Buddy Hield with elite defense is an all star in this league. If Jabari doesn’t drastically improve his handles his floor is still damn high
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Post#1062 » by zimpy27 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:25 am

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Rainwater wrote:Offensively Jabari is overrated but defensively and on the boards he is as advertised.


As others have said he’s a knockdown shooter on offense but needs a good playmaker to set him up. Ironically a guy like Giddey would be perfect for him.


I was hoping he'd go to OKC because of Giddey.

Maybe he struggles with Rockets due to their PG absence and he's up for grabs next offseason for a decent OKC pick package..
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Post#1063 » by Dan Z » Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:54 am

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Rainwater wrote:Offensively Jabari is overrated but defensively and on the boards he is as advertised.


As others have said he’s a knockdown shooter on offense but needs a good playmaker to set him up. Ironically a guy like Giddey would be perfect for him.


I was hoping he'd go to OKC because of Giddey.

Maybe he struggles with Rockets due to their PG absence and he's up for grabs next offseason for a decent OKC pick package..


I can't imagine the Rockets trading him after only one season.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1064 » by Rainwater » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:00 am

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RookieStar wrote:Because his shot is so pure, anyone think he can be a 6'10 Klay aThompson?

Before the injury Klay was known to be a good defender. Also the obvious that they are billed as good to great 3 pt shooters.


Klay can create his own shot when necessary while Jabari just stands there. I really don't have faith in Jabari being more than a spot shooter.

Klay was 21 as a rookie and Jabari is 19. Can we let dudes develop, especially 19 year olds.


I have seen it all too often when young guys try to develop their offense creativity/handles when they enter the league and it doesn't occur. I feel like the same will happen to Jabari. Offensive creativity is just one of the hardest things to develop in the NBA.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1065 » by kingmalaki » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:04 am

zimpy27 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Rainwater wrote:Offensively Jabari is overrated but defensively and on the boards he is as advertised.


As others have said he’s a knockdown shooter on offense but needs a good playmaker to set him up. Ironically a guy like Giddey would be perfect for him.


I was hoping he'd go to OKC because of Giddey.

Maybe he struggles with Rockets due to their PG absence and he's up for grabs next offseason for a decent OKC pick package..


The Rockets wouldn't trade Smith just based off what he's shown in summer league, and his age. The team sucked on D and he looks like he has all world defensive potential, at 6-10 with a frame to fill out. I don't think anyone is concerned about his ability to make open shots.

Rockets mgmt is likely giddy with what the two long wings (Smith and Eason) have shown them defensively so far.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1066 » by Mephariel » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:28 am

Shock Defeat wrote:
Mephariel wrote:I think his handles has to be worrisome right? It is not that easy to develop handles. As a Kings fan, I was waiting for Buddy Hield to develop his, and he only mildly did so throughout his tenure, but never enough to become more than who he was.

A 6’10” Buddy Hield with elite defense is an all star in this league. If Jabari doesn’t drastically improve his handles his floor is still damn high


Yeah but his handles is nowhere near even Buddy Hield level.
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Post#1067 » by Teen Girl Squad » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:42 am

Jaylen Brown had zero handles coming out of college and has developed a solid one now. It won't be elite but its possible to develop one if he puts the work in.
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Post#1068 » by yoyoboy » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:02 am

Rainwater wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Klay can create his own shot when necessary while Jabari just stands there. I really don't have faith in Jabari being more than a spot shooter.

Klay was 21 as a rookie and Jabari is 19. Can we let dudes develop, especially 19 year olds.


I have seen it all too often when young guys try to develop their offense creativity/handles when they enter the league and it doesn't occur. I feel like the same will happen to Jabari. Offensive creativity is just one of the hardest things to develop in the NBA.

Been waiting for Okoro to develop some semblance of a handle and it just hasn’t happened either. And the dude is supposed to be a huge gym rat, so I’m sure he’s put in the work. It just seems like hand-eye coordination for dribbling and other natural factors probably play huge roles and are hard to improve upon.
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Post#1069 » by yoyoboy » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:08 am

Teen Girl Squad wrote:Jaylen Brown had zero handles coming out of college and has developed a solid one now. It won't be elite but its possible to develop one if he puts the work in.

Brown’s handle still kinda sucks to be honest. It was glaringly bad at times in the Finals. And his “zero handles” coming out of college were miles ahead of where Jabari is now. Watch the first couple minutes and you can see him crossing over and creating off the bounce.

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Post#1070 » by Bakomagic » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:08 am

People underestimate how unlikely it is to develop handles, especially when you don’t have a solid baseline.

Imo Jabari should to focus on being awesome at coming off screens and getting to his spots (high post), setting up shop so he can elevate and shoot or use a 1/2 two dribble move toward the basket.
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Post#1071 » by Rainwater » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:25 am

yoyoboy wrote:
Teen Girl Squad wrote:Jaylen Brown had zero handles coming out of college and has developed a solid one now. It won't be elite but its possible to develop one if he puts the work in.

Brown’s handle still kinda sucks to be honest. It was glaringly bad at times in the Finals. And his “zero handles” coming out of college were miles ahead of where Jabari is now. Watch the first couple minutes and you can see him crossing over and creating off the bounce.



Was just about to say this.
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Post#1072 » by oldshoolballer » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:29 am

From what I've seen these guys standout to me
Paolo Banchero
Jaden Ivey
Keegan Murray
Chet Holmgren
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Post#1073 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:12 am

Shock Defeat wrote:
Mephariel wrote:I think his handles has to be worrisome right? It is not that easy to develop handles. As a Kings fan, I was waiting for Buddy Hield to develop his, and he only mildly did so throughout his tenure, but never enough to become more than who he was.

A 6’10” Buddy Hield with elite defense is an all star in this league. If Jabari doesn’t drastically improve his handles his floor is still damn high


Dirk, Bosh, Lamarcus, and Malone scored tons of points without Jason Tatum's handle.
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Post#1074 » by Patches Perry » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:45 am

To me, Jabari was always the guy with the lowest ceiling but also the highest floor. Dude is going to be at minimum a 3rd option offensively and incredibly valuable defensively with his size, athleticism and defensive instincts. That's a borderline all-star in some contexts. If he develops some 1-2 dribble moves and refines the extended post game, he is a 20ppg+ scorer on top of great defense.

Rockets took the no-brainer pick. Orlando had the most difficult pick with having to consider all three of them. OKC took the bigger gamble with Chet. So far he looks good but Jabari is such an easy player to incorporate into any modern system that I still think OKC might end up regretting not taking him.
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Post#1075 » by LarsV8 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:19 am

Don't know why JSJ is trying to create, he needs to play to his strengths and just spot up for now.

With Sengun, Porter and Green on the team, he is going to be wide open quite a bit.

We know he can shoot, and that will come, but goddamn can that kid play defense.

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Post#1076 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:56 am

Shaeden Sharpe got blown by and like so many soft players he embellished an injury to save face. He's soft with no heart so he kept up the ruse on the sideline. POR had to cover for him not going back in by claiming he has a "small labrum tear" which you have to know is absolute b.s. Literally every person that plays sports can claim they have a "small" labrum tear. This kid chose to sit out instead of playing basketball last season. You don't do that if you love the game. He has #1 talent but he just might be a mental case already. This will not be the last time this happens with him. Don't expect to see Sharpe playing much this season.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1077 » by timO » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:57 am

Rainwater wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Klay can create his own shot when necessary while Jabari just stands there. I really don't have faith in Jabari being more than a spot shooter.

Klay was 21 as a rookie and Jabari is 19. Can we let dudes develop, especially 19 year olds.


I have seen it all too often when young guys try to develop their offense creativity/handles when they enter the league and it doesn't occur. I feel like the same will happen to Jabari. Offensive creativity is just one of the hardest things to develop in the NBA.


Klay is very bad creatinh his shoot, a fake is his signature move, his finals were bad.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1078 » by timO » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:57 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:Shaeden Sharpe got blown by and like so many soft players he embellished an injury to save face. He's soft with no heart so he kept up the ruse on the sideline. POR had to cover for him not going back in by claiming he has a "small labrum tear" which you have to know is absolute b.s. Literally every person that plays sports can claim they have a "small" labrum tear. This kid chose to sit out instead of playing basketball last season. You don't do that if you love the game. He has #1 talent but he just might be a mental case already. This will not be the last time this happens with him. Don't expect to see Sharpe playing much this season.


a 7th pick wasted on a kid who dont play, ala simmons.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2022 

Post#1079 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:06 am

thelead wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:Jalen Williams is a baller. Thunder had themselves a franchise changing draft with him and Chet.

I can't imagine them tanking with Giddey/SGA/Jalen/Dort/Chet.


they could try to compete but they're too young and bad on defense to win more than 35 games imho. That is, unless they trade away some young guys for a solid vet or two then maybe they could try to get in the play-in. I hope they try this season. It'll be good for their development. But I CAN see why they might rather just low-key tank for this one last season because maybe in their minds the difference between 35 wins, an 11th seed and 12th pick in the draft or 25 wins and a top 5 pick is non-existent. I think they'd love to complete the rebuild with an elite 3/4
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Post#1080 » by tmorgan » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:12 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
thelead wrote:
BFRESH44 wrote:Jalen Williams is a baller. Thunder had themselves a franchise changing draft with him and Chet.

I can't imagine them tanking with Giddey/SGA/Jalen/Dort/Chet.


they could try to compete but they're too young and bad on defense to win more than 35 games imho. That is, unless they trade away some young guys for a solid vet or two then maybe they could try to get in the play-in. I hope they try this season. It'll be good for their development. But I CAN see why they might rather just low-key tank for this one last season because maybe in their minds the difference between 35 wins, an 11th seed and 12th pick in the draft or 25 wins and a top 5 pick is non-existent. I think they'd love to complete the rebuild with an elite 3/4


That… sounds exactly like Detroit.

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