Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone

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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#21 » by homecourtloss » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:10 am

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Homer38 wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..


LeBron made the finals with Larry Hughes and Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs with him in his prime in 2003....That says it all


Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA while Kobe won 3 titles with Shaq. Lebron won bronze medal with Tim Duncan while Jordan won gold medal with Patrick Ewing even before coming into the NBA. Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight Howard who is considered a career loser. Lebron missed the playoffs not only with prime Westbrook but with prime Anthony Davis along with a 3x DPOY in Dwight Howard and scoring champion in Melo and they were predicted to be and have the 2nd best odds to win it all.


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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#22 » by ardee » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:40 am

JordansBulls wrote:
Homer38 wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..


LeBron made the finals with Larry Hughes and Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs with him in his prime in 2003....That says it all

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA while Kobe won 3 titles with Shaq. Lebron won bronze medal with Tim Duncan while Jordan won gold medal with Patrick Ewing even before coming into the NBA. Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight Howard who is considered a career loser. Lebron missed the playoffs not only with prime Westbrook but with prime Anthony Davis along with a 3x DPOY in Dwight Howard and scoring champion in Melo and they were predicted to be and have the 2nd best odds to win it all.


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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#23 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:53 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Homer38 wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:I didn't say for a franchise that never won I said for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron left his team that drafted him and came back and only won 1 title and needed to suspend someone for that to happen. Curry won 4 titles for a franchise that hadn't won in 40 years and Lebron was stacking the deck going from team to team (Chris Russo on First Take also mentioned that). I mean he didn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook last year and Westbrook made the playoffs every year since rookie year he played with another star for 40+ games..


LeBron made the finals with Larry Hughes and Jordan couldn't even make the playoffs with him in his prime in 2003....That says it all

Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 with HCA while Kobe won 3 titles with Shaq. Lebron won bronze medal with Tim Duncan while Jordan won gold medal with Patrick Ewing even before coming into the NBA. Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight Howard who is considered a career loser. Lebron missed the playoffs not only with prime Westbrook but with prime Anthony Davis along with a 3x DPOY in Dwight Howard and scoring champion in Melo and they were predicted to be and have the 2nd best odds to win it all.


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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#24 » by Braggins » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:01 pm

Just going to use this thread as an excuse to post my opinion that Lebron + Steph would be the best offensive duo you could possibly make with any two players in league history.
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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#25 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:18 pm

Arguably the greatest PF and greatest PG of all time?

From ages 25-33 (prime years)

Curry/Malone
PER 51.6
BPM 14.5
WS/48 .469

LeBron/Miller
PER 49.5
BPM 13.7
WS/48 .450

LeBron and Miller are a combined 4-16 against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher. Malone and Curry are 12-15. Thats 3x as many wins with fewer losses.

I'll take the guys that were statistically better in their prime and beat better teams.
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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#26 » by Homer38 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:27 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Arguably the greatest PF and greatest PG of all time?

From ages 25-33 (prime years)

Curry/Malone
PER 51.6
BPM 14.5
WS/48 .469

LeBron/Miller
PER 49.5
BPM 13.7
WS/48 .450

LeBron and Miller are a combined 4-16 against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher. Malone and Curry are 12-15. Thats 3x as many wins with fewer losses.

I'll take the guys that were statistically better in their prime and beat better teams.


I have no problem that you choose Malone and Curry as duo but please use better argument that a team stat please!

Look at the context since this is not tennis!

remember this

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I mean again there’s a reason people are calling his argument unreasonable, it pretty blatantly is utterly unreasonable if he can’t explain which series lebron underperformed in

When you break it down, maybe 07 Spurs and 21 suns are the only ones that are fair, but 07 Spurs he was a fetus, 21 suns he was hurt and AD got hurt and they were looking pretty good in spite of that

Much of the argument comes down to he should have beaten those Warriors teams where either he or his entire team was hurt, the post 2016 Warriors that literally had to team up with probably the best scorer in this generation, or both.


For reference these are the 9 losses

2006 pistons (21 years old, first playoffs, so-so suporting cast against a stacked team)

2007 spurs (22 years old, so-so supporting cast against stacked team)

2008 boston (closer to his prine but still before the big leap into best in the world status, so-so supporing cast vs a stackes team and still took them to 7)

2009 orlando (only one his team was expected to win, had one of the best series ever played)

2014 spurs (one of histort greatest teams, tired heat team from 4 finals runs and a diminished wade)

2015 warriors (67 wins team vs a team with its second and third best players injured before even getting into lebron back issues that season)

2017 warriors (most stacked team ever, kept the series close when he was on court)

2018 warriors (so-so supporting cast vs most stackes team of all time)

2021 suns (hurt 36 years old with injured co-star vs a finals team)

I am still trying ti wrap my mind which one is supposed to be damning or which one would a different player under the same circunstances could win
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Re: Reggie Miller/Lebron James or Stephen Curry/Karl Malone 

Post#27 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:59 pm

Homer38 wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Arguably the greatest PF and greatest PG of all time?

From ages 25-33 (prime years)

Curry/Malone
PER 51.6
BPM 14.5
WS/48 .469

LeBron/Miller
PER 49.5
BPM 13.7
WS/48 .450

LeBron and Miller are a combined 4-16 against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher. Malone and Curry are 12-15. Thats 3x as many wins with fewer losses.

I'll take the guys that were statistically better in their prime and beat better teams.


I have no problem that you choose Malone and Curry as duo but please use better argument that a team stat please!

Look at the context since this is notntwnnis!


Basketball is a team sport, and if you can't win with your own hand picked team than that's on you. LeBron can't blame his teammates or stacked teams when he chose his teammates and built his own stacked teams.

That's like Mark McGwire complaining that Sammy Sossa had better steroids.

Malone and Curry are statistically better, and they did it while beating better teams. I'll take those guys.
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