[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Ballerhogger]

Lakers receive: Kyrie and McDermott
Nets receive: Nunn and a 30mTPE
Spurs receive: Westbrook, '27 LAL 1st and '28 1st swap

Lakers and Spurs do this but why would the Nets? They want picks and wouldn't be interested in just getting back Nunn and a 30 million TPE.

30m TPE and back up guard for team not making the finals this upcoming year . Kyrie will walk for free you might as well get somthing for Kyrie and move on from circus

[hoosierdaddy34]

Lakers writer Trevor Lane: “The general consensus with everyone I’ve spoke to at Summer League, and I’ve spoke to a lot of people, is that soon Kyrie Irving will end up with the Los Angeles Lakers.”

KD deal has to go down 1st...Kyrie is secondary to them

Conventional wisdom says that. But not every situation follows conversational wisdom.

[nzahir]

Honestly what is the hold up on this deal?

Feels like its going to be a 1st and a swap and LAL takes on a meh/bad salary but either BKN is pushing for both 1sts or trying to weave the Lakers in for a 3-4 team deal

Indi or SA should just sign Ayton and knock the Suns out of the KD the race tbh

The Raptors and Pelicans have the cleanest deals for KD and both give you an all star or potential all star with BI and Barnes (raps cant get KD with a package around OG)

[Ballerhogger]

Honestly what is the hold up on this deal?

Feels like its going to be a 1st and a swap and LAL takes on a meh/bad salary but either BKN is pushing for both 1sts or trying to weave the Lakers in for a 3-4 team deal

Indi or SA should just sign Ayton and knock the Suns out of the KD the race tbh

The Raptors and Pelicans have the cleanest deals for KD and both give you an all star or potential all star with BI and Barnes (raps cant get KD with a package around OG)

raptors unwilling to give up Barnes makes it’s pretty tough . They likely wont trade pascal either. So., og and van fleet won’t be a enough . Pelicans have best assets

[Ballerhogger]

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[TacoLord]

The reason the Spurs require more than 1 FRP is because they don't need to use that cap space. They are a small market team, and adding 47m to payroll in a year they are very clearly tanking, is money out the door for them. This is going to be a bad year of business for the Spurs. Ticket sales will be down, merch sales will be down, people don't spend money on teams fighting for the most ping pong balls. So if they are going to waste 47m on a player that is being bought out, they need good compensation to make it worth the cost. I'm sure they are asking for the Lakers 27/29 picks and the 28 swap, because that's a ton of money to throw out the window. I would imagine that's the hangup in this trade right now, but we all know the Lakers/Nets have few other teams that can help in this scenario, so we will wait until someone gets really desperate before the trigger is pulled.

[CS707]

Not to mention Pop is going to have to be pretty heavily incentivized to do the Lakers any favors.

[vincecarter4pres]

The reason the Spurs require more than 1 FRP is because they don't need to use that cap space. They are a small market team, and adding 47m to payroll in a year they are very clearly tanking, is money out the door for them. This is going to be a bad year of business for the Spurs. Ticket sales will be down, merch sales will be down, people don't spend money on teams fighting for the most ping pong balls. So if they are going to waste 47m on a player that is being bought out, they need good compensation to make it worth the cost. I'm sure they are asking for the Lakers 27/29 picks and the 28 swap, because that's a ton of money to throw out the window. I would imagine that's the hangup in this trade right now, but we all know the Lakers/Nets have few other teams that can help in this scenario, so we will wait until someone gets really desperate before the trigger is pulled.

By why are the Nets doing the trade then?

They'll tell Kyrie to kick rocks and sit for a year if they aren't getting both picks.

There is zero incentive for the Nets to do any party any favor in this situation.

[TacoLord]

The reason the Spurs require more than 1 FRP is because they don't need to use that cap space. They are a small market team, and adding 47m to payroll in a year they are very clearly tanking, is money out the door for them. This is going to be a bad year of business for the Spurs. Ticket sales will be down, merch sales will be down, people don't spend money on teams fighting for the most ping pong balls. So if they are going to waste 47m on a player that is being bought out, they need good compensation to make it worth the cost. I'm sure they are asking for the Lakers 27/29 picks and the 28 swap, because that's a ton of money to throw out the window. I would imagine that's the hangup in this trade right now, but we all know the Lakers/Nets have few other teams that can help in this scenario, so we will wait until someone gets really desperate before the trigger is pulled.

By why are the Nets doing the trade then?

They'll tell Kyrie to kick rocks and sit for a year if they aren't getting both picks.

There is zero incentive for the Nets to do any party any favor in this situation.

Then the Nets should eat Russ's 47m themselves, assuming Kyrie won't play for them. There just aren't many options for the Nets, and I think the Lakers are betting on that. Westbrook's contract is too much money for a team to eat for a single FRP. If they want the picks, then they take the dead money, if they want to send it elsewhere, it's gonna cost them.

Now if you send Westbrook somewhere at the trade deadline when about half of the season is over, then it is significantly cheaper for that third team to buyout the rest of the contract. That might get a team like Indy or SAS to take it for a single FRP, so maybe this deal has a chance of happening in February.

[Karmaloop]

The reason the Spurs require more than 1 FRP is because they don't need to use that cap space. They are a small market team, and adding 47m to payroll in a year they are very clearly tanking, is money out the door for them. This is going to be a bad year of business for the Spurs. Ticket sales will be down, merch sales will be down, people don't spend money on teams fighting for the most ping pong balls. So if they are going to waste 47m on a player that is being bought out, they need good compensation to make it worth the cost. I'm sure they are asking for the Lakers 27/29 picks and the 28 swap, because that's a ton of money to throw out the window. I would imagine that's the hangup in this trade right now, but we all know the Lakers/Nets have few other teams that can help in this scenario, so we will wait until someone gets really desperate before the trigger is pulled.

That's not how things work in the NBA. There's a spending floor, and they have to spend at lest 90% of the salary cap in order to mee that floor. If they don't spend to that floor, the Spurs have to take whatever the difference between the floor and what they owe their plays and distribute the difference to those players. The floor is set at $111.3M for the upcoming season, and they're currently a bit over $24M away from hitting the salary cap floor.

[JoseRizal]

Which will happen first? This topic goes 100 pages or this trade actually happens? Take your bet!

[Karmaloop]

By why are the Nets doing the trade then?

They'll tell Kyrie to kick rocks and sit for a year if they aren't getting both picks.

There is zero incentive for the Nets to do any party any favor in this situation.

Significant cap relief? I'm not sue what market Nets fans think is going to suddenly manifest itself, but right now the Lakers are the only team with interest in Kyrie Irving. Maybe that changes if Kyrie gets back on the court, but for now Kyrie has made it clear he wants to be in Los Angeles, and the Lakers are the only interested team. If taking back Russell Westbrook back is a non-starter for the Nets, and they're peddling him off to a 3rd team than Nets fans need to make peace with the fact that some of those assets are going to go to that 3rd team. The Nets aren't getting significant cap relief AND multiple drafts picks for Kyrie Irving. There's just no market there.

[vincecarter4pres]

By why are the Nets doing the trade then?

They'll tell Kyrie to kick rocks and sit for a year if they aren't getting both picks.

There is zero incentive for the Nets to do any party any favor in this situation.

Significant cap relief? I'm not sue what market Nets fans think is going to suddenly manifest itself, but right now the Lakers are the only team with interest in Kyrie Irving. Maybe that changes if Kyrie gets back on the court, but for now Kyrie has made it clear he wants to be in Los Angeles, and the Lakers are the only interested team. If taking back Russell Westbrook back is a non-starter for the Nets, and they're peddling him off to a 3rd team than Nets fans need to make peace with the fact that some of those assets are going to go to that 3rd team. The Nets aren't getting significant cap relief AND multiple drafts picks for Kyrie Irving. There's just no market there.

Where are they getting significant cap relief?

Westbrook is owed 10 million more then Kyrie.

I don't think Nets fans are under any disillusionment as to the market for Kyrie, how trades work, or how bad Russ' contract is. That doesn't change the fact, without getting both picks themselves, there's little point to dealing him.

A TPE and some 2nd's, some d-rate scrub, etc., does nothing for Brooklyn. One pick, with the other going to a 2nd team does little. Eating Russ' contract directly and having to add a good played like Joe Harris, also not ideal.

My guess is BK will hold out for a team like Charlotte, who wants to dump a 2 year contract of Hayward for an expiring, and might even add assets to do it. Something like Hayward and Oubre for Westbrook, a couple 2nd's, or a protected 1st to do so, maybe even just a way in the future pick swap option. Or they don't have to add any value and opportunistically are able to dump Gordon for free.

If not, they'll hold Kyrie until a deal on the cheap opens up with another team halfway through the season. Dallas gets desperate, or KD had already been dealt and Miami decides to send Lowry and a 1st, Lowry to a 3rd West coast playoff team for a different expiring and an additional 1st, etc.

[JN61]

Anthony Davis is an enormous asset if they put him on the market. I don't think it is completely impossible. LA, while it tries to protect its stars, that only applies to the highest end stars. LA shipped Gasol constantly and traded him once.

Is LA willing to include stem cells and his state of the art stretcher?

I get the Day to Davis joke but if you don't think he still has trade value you're not thinking clearly

Trading Davis to who ever doesn't play defense would be hilarious. LeBron + Irving + another weak defender as big 3. They might give up 120 PPG next season.

[SecondTake]

Honestly what is the hold up on this deal?

Feels like its going to be a 1st and a swap and LAL takes on a meh/bad salary but either BKN is pushing for both 1sts or trying to weave the Lakers in for a 3-4 team deal

Indi or SA should just sign Ayton and knock the Suns out of the KD the race tbh

The Raptors and Pelicans have the cleanest deals for KD and both give you an all star or potential all star with BI and Barnes (raps cant get KD with a package around OG)

Who the hell would give up Barnes or Bi for KD? Are you serious? You give up a 6-10 season championship window for maybe two with KD? Did you even think about what you suggested?

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[GTR11]

Honestly what is the hold up on this deal?

Feels like its going to be a 1st and a swap and LAL takes on a meh/bad salary but either BKN is pushing for both 1sts or trying to weave the Lakers in for a 3-4 team deal

Indi or SA should just sign Ayton and knock the Suns out of the KD the race tbh

The Raptors and Pelicans have the cleanest deals for KD and both give you an all star or potential all star with BI and Barnes (raps cant get KD with a package around OG)

Who the hell would give up Barnes or Bi for KD? Are you serious? You give up a 6-10 season championship window for maybe two with KD? Did you even think about what you suggested?

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Time on Ingram is ticking. Thinking he'll not entertain bigger market his next FA is a joke. Dude would like to join big market team that is attractive to other player/friends.

Let's not forget about Benson family. I trust in them to ef this up. They always deliver.

Craptors is a treadmill team. No one going there either. Let Barmes take his time there and collect some cash. We will revisit this conversation in 5-6 years.

[Liam_Gallagher]

I'm getting tired of these rumors. Usually when trades have this many rumors but no action, it doesn't end up going down.

Lakers need to focus on implementing Westbrook into the team culture.

[TheNetsFan]

Honestly what is the hold up on this deal?

Feels like its going to be a 1st and a swap and LAL takes on a meh/bad salary but either BKN is pushing for both 1sts or trying to weave the Lakers in for a 3-4 team deal

Indi or SA should just sign Ayton and knock the Suns out of the KD the race tbh

The Raptors and Pelicans have the cleanest deals for KD and both give you an all star or potential all star with BI and Barnes (raps cant get KD with a package around OG)

Who the hell would give up Barnes or Bi for KD? Are you serious? You give up a 6-10 season championship window for maybe two with KD? Did you even think about what you suggested?

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Yes the window you're giving up is potentially 6-10 years, but as currently constructed those 6-10 year windows are not Championship Windows for the Pelicans or the Raptors. Focusing on the distant future carries injury & free agency risks. Due to the new TV deal, the cap is expected to spike up again in 2025. Lots of teams will have cap space in 2024 & more should have space in 2025 due to the spike. What happens to that window if Ingram (2025 FA), McCollum (2024 FA), Siakam (2024 FA), etc. decide to walk? Barnes is obviously controllable long term because he's on a rookie deal followed by restricted free agency. The rest of the guys can walk to the highest bidder or most desirable location.

[Kilroy]

I'm getting tired of these rumors. Usually when trades have this many rumors but no action, it doesn't end up going down.

Lakers need to focus on implementing Westbrook into the team culture.

I think what may have happened is the Lakers are back in the KD and Kyrie picture, now that the price for KD has fallen significantly...

I also think Klutch has been trying to find a way to get Simmons to LA with Kyrie...

For the record, I don't think either of those things will happen, but the Kyrie thing is too small a gap to not have gone down already... There has to be something bigger at work, and there's still time to swing for the fences. So, I think that's what Klutch/The Lakers are doing...

[Educator]

I'm getting tired of these rumors. Usually when trades have this many rumors but no action, it doesn't end up going down.

Lakers need to focus on implementing Westbrook into the team culture.

I think what may have happened is the Lakers are back in the KD and Kyrie picture, now that the price for KD has fallen significantly...

I also think Klutch has been trying to find a way to get Simmons to LA with Kyrie...

For the record, I don't think either of those things will happen, but the Kyrie thing is too small a gap to not have gone down already... There has to be something bigger at work, and there's still time to swing for the fences. So, I think that's what Klutch/The Lakers are doing...

What makes you think the price for KD has fallen? That the offers in the middle of July haven't met the asking price in no way means the price has fallen.