Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal

[thebuzzardman]

This what we been saying

Ultimate Warrior

Well, he's no Colin Sexton, but he'll have to do.

Lol. This team has been adding culture guys too. A lot of good character on this team (yes Randle had some internal turmoil last year but looks to bounceback).

Rose is a born again Christian, so is IQ. They have some pretty amazing stories of redemption. Just a lot of good guys on this team. I know that hasn't equated to wins yet but there are a lot of guys that you really can root for here.

I like the Brunson signing. There is a contingent of fans on here that don't like it. As usual. Nothing the Knicks do is any good.

[Guano]

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Good. Fk Dallas we ain’t helping them

This is a subliminal way of saying Fourni3r is a huge asset and you didn't want to lose him. I see you.


Team Fourni3r stays winning

[3toheadmelo]

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Good. Fk Dallas we ain’t helping them

This is a subliminal way of saying Fourni3r is a huge asset and you didn't want to lose him. I see you.


Team Fourni3r stays winning

[knicks1999]

NY Post story said the warriors and Nets can’t trade Wiggins straight up due to rookie contract rules…maybe the Knicks get in a 3 way and we get Wiggins?????

[NoDopeOnSundays]

NY Post story said the warriors and Nets can’t trade Wiggins straight up due to rookie contract rules…maybe the Knicks get in a 3 way and we get Wiggins?????

Why?

[Capn'O]

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That makes sense - discussions were going on too long, the gap was probably too significant. Mavs are already over the tax so they were going to be reluctant to take any sort of contract back, and I couldn’t figure out what Mavs asset we could take back that would be interesting for us.

Once BXetc and some others clarified (again) the cap situation and how the TPE's would work - Mavs getting one, or Knicks, and the Knicks one there being a hard time for it to be anything other the $17 million zone, I was kind of not giving a sh*t about the situation.

I'll give the FO credit (maybe) if the negotiations were an attempt to extract SOMETHING out of the situation - a 2nd rounder, the TPE itself, or a TPE for the Mavs and I guess unprotecting their pick? But the Mavs really don't have a player I think could realistically be exchanged for Fournier or Rose or Cam that the Mavs would give up (so not Bullocks) and the Knicks would want or would be helpful.
Also, the 17 million TPE for the Knicks would mean they might be looking for a "middling vet" and I'm not sure who is even left, and IF there is anyone left, is that anyone really any better than Rose or Fournier or even Cam - and Knicks can't find minutes for Cam as it is.

I know there's a faction, and I was one of them, that wanted Rose or Fournier off the team just to "free up time for the youth" but dealing Fournier away for essentially nothing, even if he can't guard a traffic cone, just seems like a bad idea, bad asset management.

Cam just needs to beat Fournier out, IF the FO allows a 17 million guy to come off the bench. I suspect that for all of Cam's athleticism and Fournier's lack of defense, that Cam just won't bring enough in total for Thibs or frankly any non tanking coach, to think it's worth it.

I HOPE Cam sees his career at a sort of crossroads with a 2nd contract coming up and a chance to take control of his career in a better way, beats out Fournier and Fournier gets the Burks role off the bench.
Of course, this means IQ or Grimes isn't playing that much...

I'm more worried about IQ than Cam. As Chanel will frequently point out, he, Burks, and Toppin were our best three man combo with the combinations therein being our best two man combos. It would be too bad to lose that.

[robillionaire]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

[Jimmit79]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

There was definitely something up with Kemba cause Knicks paid hefty price to get rid of him and even kept him away from locker room during 2nd half.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

There was definitely something up with Kemba cause Knicks paid hefty price to get rid of him and even kept him away from locker room during 2nd half.

There's nothing to it other than his knees are shot.

[robillionaire]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

There was definitely something up with Kemba cause Knicks paid hefty price to get rid of him and even kept him away from locker room during 2nd half.

There's nothing to it other than his knees are shot.

Maybe but remember he threw shade at Thibs for benching him and tried to embarrass him after the 44pt game like he was pissed and being disrespected

[NoDopeOnSundays]

There was definitely something up with Kemba cause Knicks paid hefty price to get rid of him and even kept him away from locker room during 2nd half.

There's nothing to it other than his knees are shot.

Maybe but remember he threw shade at Thibs for benching him and tried to embarrass him after the 44pt game like he was pissed and being disrespected

He probably felt he had something left at that point, but I think it's pretty clear his knees are done, and playing him is a disaster if you want any kind of defense.

[Im Coming Home]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

Not to beat a dead horse but it seemed more so Randle had a problem with Kemba, and a lot of guys actually backed Kemba up in interviews after games, etc including RJ at one point I believe. So it seemed like everyone else liked Kemba but Randle. So Randle was the issue.

[thebuzzardman]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

Not to beat a dead horse but it seemed more so Randle had a problem with Kemba, and a lot of guys actually backed Kemba up in interviews after games, etc including RJ at one point I believe. So it seemed like everyone else liked Kemba but Randle. So Randle was the issue.

Not taking up for Randle, but maybe Kemba coming in and being Kemba - acting like he's still a star - and can't blame him exactly, he was a star, got Randle's nose bent out of joint and it's possible Kemba could have acted better, and then Randle handled it completely all wrong, especially since some of the team gravitated to Kemba.

Like, it could have been a poor fit bball wise because Kemba's knees are done and Fournier a poor defender, but also chemistry wise, because Randle gets bent out of shape easily.

Randle is on probation to me. I don't like what he did last year, but if he goes back 2 seasons attitude wise and moves the ball and accepts Brunson running the team most of the time, I can forgive.

[KnicksGadfly]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

Not to beat a dead horse but it seemed more so Randle had a problem with Kemba, and a lot of guys actually backed Kemba up in interviews after games, etc including RJ at one point I believe. So it seemed like everyone else liked Kemba but Randle. So Randle was the issue.

All alone



Our Knicks captain folks. Some people want to make excuses for him about how he needs more help or how Knicks fans are mean or whatever.

All I see is a loser who was smart enough to get into Dolan’s good graces.

[robillionaire]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

Not to beat a dead horse but it seemed more so Randle had a problem with Kemba, and a lot of guys actually backed Kemba up in interviews after games, etc including RJ at one point I believe. So it seemed like everyone else liked Kemba but Randle. So Randle was the issue.

I guess the organization and Thibs saw it differently because Randle is still here and they went to great lengths to get rid of Kemba

[3toheadmelo]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

Not to beat a dead horse but it seemed more so Randle had a problem with Kemba, and a lot of guys actually backed Kemba up in interviews after games, etc including RJ at one point I believe. So it seemed like everyone else liked Kemba but Randle. So Randle was the issue.

I guess the organization and Thibs saw it differently because Randle is still here and they went to great lengths to get rid of Kemba

Yeah thank god the FO didn’t listen to fans here.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Let’s blame Kemba for this! Maybe Toppin? Or the fans? I bet some guys are getting ready to blame Brunson

[stuporman]

Let's hope it was just a matter of Kemba not really being starter quality anymore but since it was welcome home to the Knicks story he kind of got clear path to the position with his vet status, too.

He definitely would have been better suited as an off the bench role similar to what Rose provided the year before and the Knicks likely a better team but could it have happened smoothly? Dunno hm

I don't want to believe that Randle had any petty energy in this because now he has to coexist with Brunson for the sake of the team winning, none of the pouty Randle anymore, get to ballin.

[stuporman]

This is just me speculating but I think a big part of the failure last year was Kemba being unwilling to accept that he’s done and being a primadonna and I believe he was a distraction and I’m hoping with Brunson he can bring a new leadership and mentality to the guard position and help us right the ship

Not to beat a dead horse but it seemed more so Randle had a problem with Kemba, and a lot of guys actually backed Kemba up in interviews after games, etc including RJ at one point I believe. So it seemed like everyone else liked Kemba but Randle. So Randle was the issue.

I guess the organization and Thibs saw it differently because Randle is still here and they went to great lengths to get rid of Kemba

If you believe that's the reason Randle is still here and Kemba is not then I can't believe there's someone who does actually believe that silly idea.

[Polk377]

Knicks got themselves the ultimate winner in Brunson. Started at a young age and he just never settles until he meets his goal.

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