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Re: Free agency 

Post#201 » by skoharry » Fri Jul 8, 2022 11:09 pm

Pattycakes wrote:
skoharry wrote:The only move I liked was trading for grant. Eubanks played his best ball as we were tanking, Gary Payton II is meh and overpaid, and using our draft pick instead of trading it is stupid. Dame is as good as gone. The only decent bench players we have are little and maybe Winslow. We should have signed semi veterans on 1 year deals and then if needed, we trade dame next season. I think we should keep bledsoe, sign biyombo/rolo/Drummond/McGee, and resign McLemore. If it'd was me out lineup would be
Dame/bledsoe
Ant/McLemore
Hart/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Rolo
Our bench sucks for the umpteenth time again. Bye bye Dame


I’m ecstatic you’re not gm

Yeah but what constitutes a good GM? Sure NO got us in the playoffs 4 years in a row, but did it ever equate to a championship. Actually Dallas had Powell, boban, and klieber. Miami had dedmon and adebayo. Plus they had way better benches then we've ever had the last 10 years. signing eubanks and Payton II are definitely not win now moves, which means Dame is leaving. I mean sure grant was a good move, but it's not enough. They might as well just trade dame now
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Re: Free agency 

Post#202 » by Dame Lizard » Fri Jul 8, 2022 11:15 pm

skoharry wrote:
Pattycakes wrote:
skoharry wrote:The only move I liked was trading for grant. Eubanks played his best ball as we were tanking, Gary Payton II is meh and overpaid, and using our draft pick instead of trading it is stupid. Dame is as good as gone. The only decent bench players we have are little and maybe Winslow. We should have signed semi veterans on 1 year deals and then if needed, we trade dame next season. I think we should keep bledsoe, sign biyombo/rolo/Drummond/McGee, and resign McLemore. If it'd was me out lineup would be
Dame/bledsoe
Ant/McLemore
Hart/Little
Grant/Winslow
Nurk/Rolo
Our bench sucks for the umpteenth time again. Bye bye Dame


I’m ecstatic you’re not gm

Yeah but what constitutes a good GM? Sure NO got us in the playoffs 4 years in a row, but did it ever equate to a championship. Actually Dallas had Powell, boban, and klieber. Miami had dedmon and adebayo. Plus they had way better benches then we've ever had the last 10 years. signing eubanks and Payton II are definitely not win now moves, which means Dame is leaving. I mean sure grant was a good move, but it's not enough. They might as well just trade dame now
He's just signed the biggest 2 year contract extension ever I believe, so that's not happening.

In my eyes Dame has given up any 'right' he had to expect the Blazers to push all the chips in to win now, with that extension. Sure, go get your money Dame. But please don't start crying when our treadmill continues.
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Re: Free agency 

Post#203 » by PDXKnight » Sat Jul 9, 2022 12:19 am

Dame Lizard wrote:
skoharry wrote:
Pattycakes wrote:
I’m ecstatic you’re not gm

Yeah but what constitutes a good GM? Sure NO got us in the playoffs 4 years in a row, but did it ever equate to a championship. Actually Dallas had Powell, boban, and klieber. Miami had dedmon and adebayo. Plus they had way better benches then we've ever had the last 10 years. signing eubanks and Payton II are definitely not win now moves, which means Dame is leaving. I mean sure grant was a good move, but it's not enough. They might as well just trade dame now
He's just signed the biggest 2 year contract extension ever I believe, so that's not happening.

In my eyes Dame has given up any 'right' he had to expect the Blazers to push all the chips in to win now, with that extension. Sure, go get your money Dame. But please don't start crying when our treadmill continues.


And a po on that last year. Man brutal extension even though he's a superstar he's gonna be old then. Not sure it doesn't backfire unless we trade him but in the interim might make him a better asset I guess
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Post#204 » by HoopsFanAZ » Sat Jul 9, 2022 1:26 am

Over the last couple years, national media encouraged Lillard to go elsewhere. Blazers fans have been concerned about Lillard asking out. He's not. And will Jody Allen get cheap with the paychecks? Nope.

Nurkic isn't the center I'd like for the team [amongst centers who earn $10-20 million a year], but his contract is locked in and is tradable. Stay healthy, big man.

Simons improved from looking like a "skinny" kid to now looking like a starting SG with a smooth, sweet shot ... and will hopefully make his contract look like a bargain or at least "reasonable" for the going rate ... and end all comparisons to Me-J.

Grant isn't an all star. And soon enough he'll get a new contract BUT not at all star money. I hope his performance this year exceeds fan expectations. His growth has been pretty dang good.

Hart and Little and GP2 -- and the rest -- will welcome a BIG (PF/C) onto the roster BECAUSE the Blazers really fricking need a decent to good backup BIG! And when a higher quality SF grows from the line-up OR in trade ... and when Phil Knight and partner buy the team ... life for Blazers fans will be good.

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Post#205 » by Jsun947 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 1:40 am

I still cannot believe we’re going to go into the season with a bench of these guys when Grant & Nurkic missed 40% of their games over the last 2 seasons, and our goal isn’t tanking.

PF
Brown Jr
Watford

C
Eubanks

We’re roughly 3.5 mil under the hard cap (6.1 if we stretch Bledsoe).

There’s basically no worthwhile PF free agents, and very few C free agents I’d consider worthwhile to play the 19-20 minutes per game Nurkic is going to be resting. (Cousins, Howard, Aldridge) and none of them have shown the slightest interest in playing here.

Seems like the stop gap has to come from a trade…
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Re: Free agency 

Post#206 » by Blazers98 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 1:41 am

Dame Lizard wrote:
skoharry wrote:
Pattycakes wrote:
I’m ecstatic you’re not gm

Yeah but what constitutes a good GM? Sure NO got us in the playoffs 4 years in a row, but did it ever equate to a championship. Actually Dallas had Powell, boban, and klieber. Miami had dedmon and adebayo. Plus they had way better benches then we've ever had the last 10 years. signing eubanks and Payton II are definitely not win now moves, which means Dame is leaving. I mean sure grant was a good move, but it's not enough. They might as well just trade dame now
He's just signed the biggest 2 year contract extension ever I believe, so that's not happening.

In my eyes Dame has given up any 'right' he had to expect the Blazers to push all the chips in to win now, with that extension. Sure, go get your money Dame. But please don't start crying when our treadmill continues.


Agreed. IF winning was his primary concern, he would sign an extension for less money- like Harden just did. Fine that he did not, as Dame Lizard wrote, just don't complain about not having the money as a team to get more talent here to help win a title.
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Re: Free agency 

Post#207 » by Jsun947 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 4:00 am

The only player I can see as any type of solution for our back up PF/C role, that we could maybe get is Kleber from Dallas in a swap for Winslow

They already have Wood, Powell, McGee, Bertans at the 4 & 5. Maybe they’d be amendable to saving the 5 mil in salary + taxes
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Re: Free agency 

Post#208 » by PDXKnight » Sat Jul 9, 2022 5:07 am

Jsun947 wrote:The only player I can see as any type of solution for our back up PF/C role, that we could maybe get is Kleber from Dallas in a swap for Winslow

They already have Wood, Powell, McGee, Bertans at the 4 & 5. Maybe they’d be amendable to saving the 5 mil in salary + taxes


That's actually a decent idea
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Re: Free agency 

Post#209 » by m0ng0 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 12:36 pm

PDXKnight wrote:
Jsun947 wrote:The only player I can see as any type of solution for our back up PF/C role, that we could maybe get is Kleber from Dallas in a swap for Winslow

They already have Wood, Powell, McGee, Bertans at the 4 & 5. Maybe they’d be amendable to saving the 5 mil in salary + taxes


That's actually a decent idea


I would be down with that
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Post#210 » by skoharry » Sat Jul 9, 2022 3:36 pm

Given how he's accepted his bench role and how's he's played coming off the bench, I'd take Howard. There's also Ed Davis and Whiteside. Now while I know you guys don't really like Whiteside, he's still a rebounding and blocking 7'3 monster. I think olynyk could be had for cheap too. Maybe Winslow and a 2nd.
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Re: Free agency 

Post#211 » by Jsun947 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 6:33 pm

skoharry wrote:Given how he's accepted his bench role and how's he's played coming off the bench, I'd take Howard. There's also Ed Davis and Whiteside. Now while I know you guys don't really like Whiteside, he's still a rebounding and blocking 7'3 monster. I think olynyk could be had for cheap too. Maybe Winslow and a 2nd.


Can’t trade Winslow for Olynyk anymore due to the hard cap. If we stretch Bledsoe you’re about 2.1 mil short plus space to sign vet min contracts to fill out the roster. Right now the only way to work a trade for Olynyk is by using Hart or Winslow+Little or kinda sorta Winslow+Sharpe



P.S. Issues like this is exactly why I didn’t like the GP signing.
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Re: Free agency 

Post#212 » by skoharry » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:46 pm

Given they have a glut of C, maybe ORL would let go of mo Wagner? Maybe Winslow and a 2nd? Maybe HOU would trade boban once he's trade eligible? Maybe tony Bradley? Also where did cauley-stein go?
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Post#213 » by Dame Lizard » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:55 pm

skoharry wrote:Given they have a glut of C, maybe ORL would let go of mo Wagner? Maybe Winslow and a 2nd? Maybe HOU would trade boban once he's trade eligible? Maybe tony Bradley? Also where did cauley-stein go?
Orlando rate Wagner very highly and they'll want a big package to let go of him.
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Post#214 » by Blazers98 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:31 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:
skoharry wrote:Given they have a glut of C, maybe ORL would let go of mo Wagner? Maybe Winslow and a 2nd? Maybe HOU would trade boban once he's trade eligible? Maybe tony Bradley? Also where did cauley-stein go?
Orlando rate Wagner very highly and they'll want a big package to let go of him.


I know that they value Franz Wagner, their starting SF, but Moritz Wagner is another matter. Sheessh Orlando has a ton of centers and PFs. Many of their glut of bigmen are better than a large majority of free agent bigs that are still on the market. Let's give it a go!
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Re: Free agency 

Post#215 » by Dame Lizard » Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:44 am

Blazers98 wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:
skoharry wrote:Given they have a glut of C, maybe ORL would let go of mo Wagner? Maybe Winslow and a 2nd? Maybe HOU would trade boban once he's trade eligible? Maybe tony Bradley? Also where did cauley-stein go?
Orlando rate Wagner very highly and they'll want a big package to let go of him.


I know that they value Franz Wagner, their starting SF, but Moritz Wagner is another matter. Sheessh Orlando has a ton of centers and PFs. Many of their glut of bigmen are better than a large majority of free agent bigs that are still on the market. Let's give it a go!
Good shout!

I definitely was getting the two Wagners confused. Ignore my previous comment then.
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Re: Free agency 

Post#216 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:56 am

Jsun947 wrote:The only player I can see as any type of solution for our back up PF/C role, that we could maybe get is Kleber from Dallas in a swap for Winslow

They already have Wood, Powell, McGee, Bertans at the 4 & 5. Maybe they’d be amendable to saving the 5 mil in salary + taxes


Portland is hard-capped. Wouldn't be a legal trade
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Re: Free agency 

Post#217 » by Village Idiot » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:57 am

I'd love to bring back LaMarcus Aldridge. I think he is still unsigned. Tristan Thompson is also still available, I believe.
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Re: Free agency 

Post#218 » by m0ng0 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:55 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:
Portland is hard-capped. Wouldn't be a legal trade


So even if we cut players there is no relief, even if we trade players for equal or lesser value salary wise we can't make anymore moves this off season? There is nothing we can do to un hard cap ourselves?
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Re: Free agency 

Post#219 » by Norm2953 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:12 pm

Portland just has to dump some salary to get back some flexibility. Josh Hart would be the player to
move if they wanted flexibility.
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Post#220 » by m0ng0 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:24 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Portland just has to dump some salary to get back some flexibility. Josh Hart would be the player to
move if they wanted flexibility.
.

Hmmm it sounds like it's more complicated than that.

https://theathletic.com/2251063/2020/12/11/danny-leroux-nba-hard-cap-q-and-a-what-is-it-why-does-it-exist/

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