Keegan Murray

[bucknut]

Thought it was apparent this game he struggled in iso's against paulo who isn't even a great defender - that's the main difference between him and Jabari

So what is the ceiling for a guy who can't take you 1 on 1 ? For an all star caliber guy - that is almost unheard of.

I think he's less of a 1 on 1 player then Tobias Harris but this murray guy is sneakily better in other ways. He doesn't ever miss it seems.

He's an ELITE 3rd option, as in best in league in that role. Better than a harrison barnes all day. But is there any 2nd options who can't iso or create in todays league ? I think he can be a #2 on a balanced team with multiple creators but you don't see that often.

He's super unique guy and i am really loving him because he's the antithesis of every other chucker and can fit into any team

I really think this guy on the warriors they never lose again.

[tmorgan]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

[clyde21]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

[tmorgan]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

He wasn’t even on the radar until 18 months ago. Wouldn’t surprise me if he develops further. Not into some MVP candidate or anything, but he doesn’t seem to have followed a typical development path.

[Big J]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

He wasn’t even on the radar until 18 months ago. Wouldn’t surprise me if he develops further. Not into some MVP candidate or anything, but he doesn’t seem to have followed a typical development path.

Age gets massively overstated in terms of how much a guy can develop. Guys can hit their peaks into their late 20s and even early 30s for some.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

Lol. He’s 22 so he can’t develop? Is that really what you’re running with here?

[SeattleJazzFan]

Thought it was apparent this game he struggled in iso's against paulo who isn't even a great defender - that's the main difference between him and Jabari

So what is the ceiling for a guy who can't take you 1 on 1 ? For an all star caliber guy - that is almost unheard of.

I think he's less of a 1 on 1 player then Tobias Harris but this murray guy is sneakily better in other ways. He doesn't ever miss it seems.

He's an ELITE 3rd option, as in best in league in that role. Better than a harrison barnes all day. But is there any 2nd options who can't iso or create in todays league ? I think he can be a #2 on a balanced team with multiple creators but you don't see that often.

He's super unique guy and i am really loving him because he's the antithesis of every other chucker and can fit into any team

I really think this guy on the warriors they never lose again.

This board is amazing. Hasn’t shown the ability to iso or create through a few summer league games as rookie = will never develop the ability to iso or create. Good lord.

[BoogieTime]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

21?

[clyde21]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

21?

22 in like a month lol

[City of Trees]

I think Keegan's floor is prime Ryan Anderson with slightly better athleticism and better defense.

[Sactowndog]

yeah he'd regularly put up huge games in college and now he's doing it in summer league, lets see what he can do in the actual nba. I think keegan is underrated by people who think a lot about ceilings and can't see a guy who can come in and play now.

I also though Jalen Brunson could be a good nba player, and he was thought to have a low ceiling. Well how low was it if he's making 25 per?

Offensively Keegan is going to be great because when Fox drives who are you going to help from? Barnes? Huerter? Murray? Some one is getting an easy catch and shoot 3.

Not to mention what happens running a dribble hand off with Sabonis. Over play him coming over the top and he will go back door, play off Sabonis and he turns and shoots. The two man game offensively will be tough to guard.

Defensively not sure who they are going to be able to stop but offensively they should be good.

[Sactowndog]

Keegan is not refined as a face up iso player, but it’s still a lot easier to envision him developing it as compared to Jabari. He understands spacing and has nice awareness — that hesitation as Paolo went flying by before nailing the tying jumper was really nice.

are we already forgetting that Keegan is 22?

He wasn’t even on the radar until 18 months ago. Wouldn’t surprise me if he develops further. Not into some MVP candidate or anything, but he doesn’t seem to have followed a typical development path.

My understanding is he had a late growth spurt. Was only 6’ as a high school freshman. As a son who had a similar late growth they aren’t super coordinated while and for a bit after. Half the time they don’t even know where their feet are.

I think because of that he will have room to develop beyond what is typical for his age.

[SNPA]

I think Keegan's floor is prime Ryan Anderson with slightly better athleticism and better defense.

He’s better than peak Ryan Anderson right now.

[SelfishPlayer]

I think Keegan's floor is prime Ryan Anderson with slightly better athleticism and better defense.

He’s better than peak Ryan Anderson right now.

Perhaps, but Ryan Anderson was a better player faster, entering the NBA at 20 after doing well in college. Keegan is a one year wonder in college, and did it at an age where Ryan was already in his second NBA season.

[Sactowndog]

I think Keegan's floor is prime Ryan Anderson with slightly better athleticism and better defense.

He’s better than peak Ryan Anderson right now.

Perhaps, but Ryan Anderson was a better player faster, entering the NBA at 20 after doing well in college. Keegan is a one year wonder in college, and did it at an age where Ryan was already in his second NBA season.

Again I think age is one of those data points like height where better measures like wingspan and standing reach have come into vogue.

I think what matters more is how many years are you from your last major growth spurt and that can vary from kid to kid just like wingspan can vary regardless of height.
I think Keegan being a late grower isn’t as relatively “old” as many make him out to be.

[SelfishPlayer]

He’s better than peak Ryan Anderson right now.

Perhaps, but Ryan Anderson was a better player faster, entering the NBA at 20 after doing well in college. Keegan is a one year wonder in college, and did it at an age where Ryan was already in his second NBA season.

Again I think age is one of those data points like height where better measures like wingspan and standing reach have come into vogue.

I think what matters more is how many years are you from your last major growth spurt and that can vary from kid to kid just like wingspan can vary regardless of height.
I think Keegan being a late grower isn’t as relatively “old” as many make him out to be.

Interesting, but I'll stick with prospect's experience vs his competition on the court. That allows for grading guys like Hakeem and Embiid on a curve for coming to the game late. IMO growth spurts should result in immediate results. If you grow 6 inches at age 17, the results in your game should be immediate judging by past prospects.

[Sactowndog]

Perhaps, but Ryan Anderson was a better player faster, entering the NBA at 20 after doing well in college. Keegan is a one year wonder in college, and did it at an age where Ryan was already in his second NBA season.

Again I think age is one of those data points like height where better measures like wingspan and standing reach have come into vogue.

I think what matters more is how many years are you from your last major growth spurt and that can vary from kid to kid just like wingspan can vary regardless of height.
I think Keegan being a late grower isn’t as relatively “old” as many make him out to be.

Interesting, but I'll stick with prospect's experience vs his competition on the court. That allows for grading guys like Hakeem and Embiid on a curve for coming to the game late. IMO growth spurts should result in immediate results. If you grow 6 inches at age 17, the results in your game should be immediate judging by past prospects.

Yeah you clearly never had a 6” growth spurt. Your immediate concern is not tripping over a crack in the ground as you have no idea where your feet are.

You hold even or even go back for a year as you figure out your new body.

[SelfishPlayer]

Again I think age is one of those data points like height where better measures like wingspan and standing reach have come into vogue.

I think what matters more is how many years are you from your last major growth spurt and that can vary from kid to kid just like wingspan can vary regardless of height.
I think Keegan being a late grower isn’t as relatively “old” as many make him out to be.

Interesting, but I'll stick with prospect's experience vs his competition on the court. That allows for grading guys like Hakeem and Embiid on a curve for coming to the game late. IMO growth spurts should result in immediate results. If you grow 6 inches at age 17, the results in your game should be immediate judging by past prospects.

Yeah you clearly never had a 6” growth spurt. Your immediate concern is not tripping over a crack in the ground as you have no idea where your feet are.

You hold even or even go back for a year as you figure out your new body.

The hall of fame NBA players that had a late growth spurt only benefitted from it maintaining the movement skills they already had.

[tmorgan]

I think you’re both being ridiculous. You can’t compare an NBA athlete to your kid in terms of handling a growth spurt, and you can’t speak in absolutes about a guy with an unusual development path to the league.

Stop trying to “be right” and just admit we don’t know.

[SelfishPlayer]

You call it an "unusual development path." That's your opinion.