Netaman wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:I don't hate the Suns deal if it includes Bridges and Ayton, along with picks and swaps. I just holdout hope for a Toronto or New Orleans kind of deal. Though without Barnes or Ingram, the Phoenix deals fit our timelines a bit better in most cases.
Is a Spicy P and Gary Trent for KD and Harris, with every Toronto pick not tied down, type of deal better though?
There are a bunch of Toronto offers i'm good with. I'd take any 2/3 of FVV/Siakam/OG. Or alternatively 1/3 + Barnes.
I don't see a meaningful timeline difference in any of them with the exception of Barnes but I do agree Phoenix' is the best because we are getting control of 8 prime aged seasons under 30.
I'm not good with any Toronto deal that doesn't have 1 of Pascal or Barnes as the centerpiece.
OG is a really nice young player, but he's probably at or close to his ceiling, misses tons of games every season, and his efficiency crashed down to earth with added attempts and usage. He's not the centerpiece to a KD deal and only contender types are going to send multiple picks for him in a 3 way deal.
FVV, also, nice player, but will be 29 this season, has no real remaining upside and struggles with efficiency. He's also in between a point guard, and a shooting guard in a point's body.
And even if the amount of picks, swaps and protections are equal, I wouldn't expect to receive more than 1 high lotto pick from Toronto period. They're too well run overall, and too young, deep and talented as a regular season team to go through a long period of suckitude, even after sending some of those players here for KD.
No Siakam or Barnes is a deal breaker for me.
Ingram may be my favorite single asset theoretically in play, so same page there if it works (i have my doubts KD would want it).
Not my favorite, but he's up there for me too.
Barnes is the most intriguing asset in play, but the fact that he's not a shooter and we already have Simmons makes him a bit of a clunky fit. I'd 100% take him for the upside but I think all 3 of those teams can field competitive offers.
As you said, you don't worry about fit with a prospect like Barnes, nor in this situation, overall. You take the best deal.
The reason I think they will end up doing a deal with phoenix/ayton is because that's clearly a leverage point to get Toronto (or whoever else) to put their best deal on the table now or miss out (if the Nets take Phoenix' offer). So if those guys aren't on the table now, it seems a small stretch to think they will be in a few months even though I do agree with Bobby Marks, everyone loves their roster in the summer and then a 4 game losing streak changes things (especially if KD is playing the way he has the last 2 years).
Marks should sooner wait and take that gamble, then take a bad or mediocre return.
Not only will other teams open up to making the deal during the season, but one of 3 things happens with KD:
1. He's been sitting at home and gets frustrated and expands his list, creating a truer bidding war.
2. He's become frustrated with still playing in Brooklyn and expands his list.
3. He's come to realize he really doesn't want to leave and commits mentally and emotionally to staying here. I hate this one after all this BS, but certainly an actual possibility.
so KD wants Phoenix, Phoenix needs KD, cp3/monty/book must be pushing like crazy on their end, and ayton puts a shot clock on discussions that will ultimately get the nets what they want. this is my current favorite iteration of a deal:
https://i.ibb.co/8znjrsb/fanspo-nba-trade-machine-snap-7-10-2022-8-44-43-AM.png
i dont think this is exactly right and there would have to be some tweaks to make it legal, but Utah dumps 45M next year in return for taking on Westbrooks expiring (and maybe gets a LAL pick or Cam T to do it). They supposedly want to trade Conley to let Mitchell play a more lead guard role so this accomplishes that assuming they just buy out westbrook.
Nets/Phoenix/Lakers get the players they want and just need to do some cap maneuvering to make it legal.
2 years of Conley is imo a good fit with Brooklyn post-big 3 because as evidenced in summer league we have no veteran leadership except Simmons. I'd want to keep him in an under 30 mpg role specifically helping handle the ball end of game when Simmons is a liability.
imo this team wins 45-50 in the east. it's basically phoenix east with simmons subbed for booker and conley subbed for cp3.
Conley / Patty
Curry / O'Neale
Bridges / Warren
Simmons / Edwards
Ayton / Claxton
This team, though deep and talented, makes me a little sick to my stomach. The ceiling is Eastern Conference Finals sweep. The likelihood is occasional regular season overachiever, homecourt 1st round loss, with 6-8 seed and late lotto years mixed in.
No thanks.
