NBA Summer League 2022

Hoppy1 · Post #1201 » by **Hoppy1** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:40 pm

Is Jabari Smith a surprise to anyone?

Outside of Banchero and Holmgren, not much elite play.

UcanUwill · Post #1202 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:46 pm

No one really surprised me outside that Brazilian kid on GSW. ALso, Bruno, another Brazilian, I think he might be good now? Mathurin seemed to be great, no surprise really.

Deividas Sirvydis didn't surprise me how much of a scrub he appear to be sadly. Its funny that when I joined RealGM, doesnt seem so long ago, time just flew by, but at a time, as Lithuanian I high nosed Canadians or Raptors board when talk shifted about basketball talent and national teams. Now several years later, Canadians get all star talent in the draft every year, while I sit on my ass checking how Deividas Sirvydis performs... thats what happens in life.

CraftylikeaFox · Post #1203 » by **CraftylikeaFox** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:07 pm

amcoolio wrote:Mathurin is my player of the SL. He's going to be a star. I think he'll be better than Donovan Mitchell and possibly be on Jalen Brown's level in 3 seasons. Congrats Pacers fans

I don't think he's been close to the best player of SL, but he's definitely been my favorite player so far. Way more athletic than I thought and his passing has been really good too. Not sure between he and Banchero who has the most star potential but right now I'm leaning toward Matherin.

Post #1204 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:21 pm

Jalen Williams is showing out very quietly.

youngthegiant · Post #1205 » by **youngthegiant** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:26 pm

For a guy that averaged 3ppg in college, Peyton Watson looks solid.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #1206 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:27 pm

Hoppy1 wrote:Is Jabari Smith a surprise to anyone?

Outside of Banchero and Holmgren, not much elite play.

I’ve seen a lot of flashes. Just need to be more aggressive.

Jellybeans · Post #1207 » by **Jellybeans** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:28 pm

Nothing.
As expected second year players even without much playing time looks much much better then soon to be rookies

azcatz11 · Post #1208 » by **azcatz11** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:29 pm

Hunt and Sims on the Knicks are literally dominating all the games they’ve played

Hoopstar23 · Post #1209 » by **Hoopstar23** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:30 pm

Mac McClung

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Post #1210 » by **G R E Y** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:35 pm

I thought Branham would be more assertive and show more of his game and Wesley was the less polished of the two, but Wesley has that dog in him and has gone out of his way to stand out, outshining Branham so far. Both have better games than I thought coming out of college.

youngthegiant · Post #1211 » by **youngthegiant** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:36 pm

Keegan Murray the best player in summer league thus far..Banchero probably the most overrated...Orlando might be one of the worst organizations at developing young talent..gotta say I'm definitely worried about that #1 pick turning bad.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #1212 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:36 pm

holmgren has been underwhelming in vegas so far tbh. he's gotten a lot of mileage of mainly his first game in utah, but since then hasn't looked great on the offensive end of the floor.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #1213 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:36 pm

rj nembhard has been incredible.

Ca · Post #1214 » by Ca » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm

I thought Neemias Queta kind of looked like a rotation big.

jasonxxx102 · Post #1215 » by **jasonxxx102** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:42 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Jalen Williams is showing out very quietly.

He doesn't really seem like it at first glance but his first move out of a crossover or hesitation dribble is really explosive. He's getting NBA quality shots up. I've been very impressed.

I would have liked to see a little more of the secondary playmaking but I get why he didn't really get that opportunity much.

whatisacenter · Post #1216 » by **whatisacenter** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:47 pm

me reading summer league thread.

Post #1217 » by **SOUL** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:55 pm

youngthegiant wrote:Keegan Murray the best player in summer league thus far..Banchero probably the most overrated...Orlando might be one of the worst organizations at developing young talent..gotta say I'm definitely worried about that #1 pick turning bad.

I kinda feel like this statement is BS. Not the Banchero, although you gotta specify whether you think it's bad because he's in Orlando or because you think he's bad... but the bolded part...

Oladipo and Tobias developed here, they just got traded early which was a dumb move. Fournier got better while here. Vucevic got better while here, Gordon improved steadily but shows he's a good-great role player in Denver. WCJ looked massively improved in his one year here. Franz looked great in his rookie season, Fultz showed flashes but got injured, Isaac showed real DPOY chops but got injured.

Also two different regimes.

A few guys haven't really improved much. Hezonja busted, Payton had a great first year and then became like backup guard-level, Bamba looked raw but improved last year, etc.. but it's not like those guys killed elsewhere. Only one that really got to another level was Oladipo but most of us knew he'd be massively improved in a few years regardless.

Post #1218 » by **cupcakesnake** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:33 pm

SOUL wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:Keegan Murray the best player in summer league thus far..Banchero probably the most overrated...Orlando might be one of the worst organizations at developing young talent..gotta say I'm definitely worried about that #1 pick turning bad.

I kinda feel like this statement is BS. Not the Banchero, although you gotta specify whether you think it's bad because he's in Orlando or because you think he's bad... but the bolded part...

Oladipo and Tobias developed here, they just got traded early which was a dumb move. Fournier got better while here. Vucevic got better while here, Gordon improved steadily but shows he's a good-great role player in Denver. WCJ looked massively improved in his one year here. Franz looked great in his rookie season, Fultz showed flashes but got injured, Isaac showed real DPOY chops but got injured.

Also two different regimes.

A few guys haven't really improved much. Hezonja busted, Payton had a great first year and then became like backup guard-level, Bamba looked raw but improved last year, etc.. but it's not like those guys killed elsewhere. Only one that really got to another level was Oladipo but most of us knew he'd be massively improved in a few years regardless.

Yeah agree with this and don't think Orlando should be taking flak for their player dev. One thing I would say is that Orlando always seemed cursed by young guys that didn't fit together. Whether it was non-shooting backcourt (Payton and Dipo), or power forward types needing to play the 3 (Gordon, Isaac, Harris), or bringing in Ibaka and Biyombo the same year. The Magic would often end up needing to overplay their shooters to make lineups work. Vooch, Fournier and then role players like T-Soss or Gary Harris. Everything always felt like an awkward balancing act that was less than ideal for their most important young players.

Im thinking those days could be over now if the large men can shoot (Franz and Paolo), but the curse of the non-shooting backcourt is still there with Suggs and Fultz! Once again you'll probably be relying on Garry Harris balancing some lineups. The Magic rotation will be fascinating to watch.

Post #1219 » by **SOUL** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:38 pm

cupcakesnake wrote:Yeah agree with this and don't think Orlando should be taking flak for their player dev. One thing I would say is that Orlando always seemed cursed by young guys that didn't fit together. Whether it was non-shooting backcourt (Payton and Dipo), or power forward types needing to play the 3 (Gordon, Isaac, Harris), or bringing in Ibaka and Biyombo the same year. The Magic would often end up needing to overplay their shooters to make lineups work. Vooch, Fournier and then role players like T-Soss or Gary Harris. Everything always felt like an awkward balancing act that was less than ideal for their most important young players.

Im thinking those days could be over now if the large men can shoot (Franz and Paolo), but the curse of the non-shooting backcourt is still there with Suggs and Fultz! Once again you'll probably be relying on Garry Harris balancing some lineups. The Magic rotation will be fascinating to watch.

Oh yeah, there's definitely a legit discussion as to how pieces work together, too many young guys needing reps at the same time (which, sure, I will take as development issues), but I'd rather them figure out their warts than trade someone too early like we did with Oladipo (and Sabonis!) + Harris when we saw them producing. The roster is definitely far from complete.

Things will eventually figure themselves out if Banchero is for real. If he can get to a star level in the league, whatever team he is joining now will be vastly different in 3-4 years anyway. It's already more fun than the previous rebuild for me lol

Post #1220 » by **cupcakesnake** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:15 pm

SOUL wrote:
cupcakesnake wrote:Yeah agree with this and don't think Orlando should be taking flak for their player dev. One thing I would say is that Orlando always seemed cursed by young guys that didn't fit together. Whether it was non-shooting backcourt (Payton and Dipo), or power forward types needing to play the 3 (Gordon, Isaac, Harris), or bringing in Ibaka and Biyombo the same year. The Magic would often end up needing to overplay their shooters to make lineups work. Vooch, Fournier and then role players like T-Soss or Gary Harris. Everything always felt like an awkward balancing act that was less than ideal for their most important young players.

Im thinking those days could be over now if the large men can shoot (Franz and Paolo), but the curse of the non-shooting backcourt is still there with Suggs and Fultz! Once again you'll probably be relying on Garry Harris balancing some lineups. The Magic rotation will be fascinating to watch.

Oh yeah, there's definitely a legit discussion as to how pieces work together, too many young guys needing reps at the same time (which, sure, I will take as development issues), but I'd rather them figure out their warts than trade someone too early like we did with Oladipo (and Sabonis!) + Harris when we saw them producing. The roster is definitely far from complete.

Things will eventually figure themselves out if Banchero is for real. If he can get to a star level in the league, whatever team he is joining now will be vastly different in 3-4 years anyway. It's already more fun than the previous rebuild for me lol

I think Banchero, and to a similar extent, Wagner, are much easier pieces to build around. Regardless of which position those 2 play, they'd a lot of size and skill on the floor to put guys around. I think there's also a slightly clearer hierarchy of prospects this year that there have been in the past (though I think guys like Isaac and Fultz are kind of confusing as unknowns). If I'm Orlando, I'm making sure Banchero and Wagner are starting, and building the right lineup around that.