Mavs rotation ahead of FA

41Dirk41 · Post #81 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Jul 9, 2022 11:39 am

I think Mcgee will play Powell minutes... 10/15 per game, at the start of 1st and 3th quarter.
Maybe in some matchup his minutes will increase.

Kidd wants 2 ballhander on the court and it's worked very well last season so Luka and Dinwiddie will start.

Probably we finish the game with the small lineup (Luka-SD-Bullock-DFS-Wood).

An upgrade over Dinwiddie is what we need, a SG or SF (in that case Bullock should play SG) who can score, defend and dribble.

You are right guys, who can lead the second unit??? I think Nico has something in his sleeves.

Teffer10 · Post #82 » by **Teffer10** » Sat Jul 9, 2022 5:05 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:I think Mcgee will play Powell minutes... 10/15 per game, at the start of 1st and 3th quarter.
Maybe in some matchup his minutes will increase.

Kidd wants 2 ballhander on the court and it's worked very well last season so Luka and Dinwiddie will start.

Probably we finish the game with the small lineup (Luka-SD-Bullock-DFS-Wood).

An upgrade over Dinwiddie is what we need, a SG or SF (in that case Bullock should play SG) who can score, defend and dribble.

You are right guys, who can lead the second unit??? I think Nico has something in his sleeves.

Pretty much agree with this although I think SD might be more of a factor.
If we don't make any other moves, I wouldn't mind seeing Kidd give the keys to Hardy as the leader on the 2nd unit and let him play through his mistakes.
SL: Luka/SD/DFS/Wood/McGee
2nd: Hardy/THJ/Bullock/Maxi/Powell
Ins/Situational: Bertans/Green/Frank/Pinson

Post #83 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:42 am

Maverick41 wrote:I heard Kidd announced the starting lineup being:

Luka
Dinwiddie
DFS
Wood
McGee

2 ball handlers and 3 finishers. Now the question becomes if your only 2 ball handlers start, who leads the 2nd unit? Pretty much nobody on the bench that has a reliable handle to run an offense.

Yes, and I like it a lot.
We will need to see how the ream chemistry is with the new additions. THJ will hopefully make an expected impact off our bench.

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LAL1947 · Post #84 » by **LAL1947** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:06 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:I heard Kidd announced the starting lineup being:

Luka
Dinwiddie
DFS
Wood
McGee

2 ball handlers and 3 finishers. Now the question becomes if your only 2 ball handlers start, who leads the 2nd unit? Pretty much nobody on the bench that has a reliable handle to run an offense.
Yes, and I like it a lot.
We will need to see how the ream chemistry is with the new additions. THJ will hopefully make an expected impact off our bench.

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I'm not sure if that is a good lineup. Will there be enough balance with McGee, Wood and Luka? I mean, all three are not very good at defending the perimeter, so there's an imbalance there that sticks out like a sore thumb. How will the Mavs defend against a team that also use 5-out? Mavs will only have DFS and Dinwiddie to chase down guards and forwards with this 5, so basically only DFS. I'd rather start (or close) with Wood at C and Kleber at PF.

When looking at the starting 5 in Maverick41's post... the more I think about this... I'm wondering if the Dallas FO is lazily trying to recreate the 2020 Lebron Lakers team... rather than put thought into how they can build a better team around Luka. We had both McGee and Bullock too. Wood is your AD, Dinwiddie is your Caruso, Bullock is your KCP/Bullock, DFS is your Danny Green.

Lebron ............................. Luka
KCP/Caruso...................... Bullock/Dinwiddie
Green/KCP....................... DFS/Bullock
AD................................... Wood/Kleber
McGee/Howard................. McGee/Powell

It all matches up...

It's not a bad way to go but needs tweaking. Like if they are gonna go this route, it would have been much preferable to get Jericho Sims, since he is like McGee with the rim protection and rebounding but is also very capable at providing help defense anywhere with his mobility and lateral quickness. That's the kind of player Mavs need to be the defensive anchor at C, since on defense, Luka is not like Lebron and Wood is not like AD.

Teffer10 · Post #85 » by **Teffer10** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:51 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:I heard Kidd announced the starting lineup being:

Luka
Dinwiddie
DFS
Wood
McGee

2 ball handlers and 3 finishers. Now the question becomes if your only 2 ball handlers start, who leads the 2nd unit? Pretty much nobody on the bench that has a reliable handle to run an offense.
Yes, and I like it a lot.
We will need to see how the ream chemistry is with the new additions. THJ will hopefully make an expected impact off our bench.

Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

I'm not sure if that is a good lineup. Will there be enough balance with McGee, Wood and Luka? I mean, all three are not very good at defending the perimeter, so there's an imbalance there that sticks out like a sore thumb. How will the Mavs defend against a team that also use 5-out? Mavs will only have DFS and Dinwiddie to chase down guards and forwards with this 5, so basically only DFS. I'd rather start (or close) with Wood at C and Kleber at PF.

When looking at the starting 5 in Maverick41's post... the more I think about this... I'm wondering if the Dallas FO is lazily trying to recreate the 2020 Lebron Lakers team... rather than put thought into how they can build a better team around Luka. We had both McGee and Bullock too. Wood is your AD, Dinwiddie is your Caruso, Bullock is your KCP/Bullock, DFS is your Danny Green.

Lebron ............................. Luka
KCP/Caruso...................... Bullock/Dinwiddie
Green/KCP....................... DFS/Bullock
AD................................... Wood/Kleber
McGee/Howard................. McGee/Powell

It all matches up...

If they are gonna go this route, it would have been much preferable to get Jericho Sims, since he is like McGee with the rim protection and rebounding but is also very capable at providing help defense anywhere with his mobility and lateral quickness. That's the kind of player Mavs need to be the defensive anchor at C, since on defense, Luka is not like Lebron and Wood is not like AD.

Wouldn't surprise me if McGee and Maxi are situational starters/minutes depending on matchups.
And I have a feeling we are not done shopping for another big.
Powell is unplayable in either case, and Bingham is eons away from warranting a roster spot.

arkuo · Post #86 » by **arkuo** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:24 pm

Wood said in his interview that Kidd emphasized defense for him at PF.

Apz · Post #87 » by **Apz** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:18 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:I think Mcgee will play Powell minutes... 10/15 per game, at the start of 1st and 3th quarter.
Maybe in some matchup his minutes will increase.

Kidd wants 2 ballhander on the court and it's worked very well last season so Luka and Dinwiddie will start.

Probably we finish the game with the small lineup (Luka-SD-Bullock-DFS-Wood).

An upgrade over Dinwiddie is what we need, a SG or SF (in that case Bullock should play SG) who can score, defend and dribble.

You are right guys, who can lead the second unit??? I think Nico has something in his sleeves.

Pretty sure we wont have a second unit in the mayter of speech. Think 1 of luka and dinwiddie always be on the court and be the primary ballhandler. The fill minutes at the 2 spot when 1 of them isnt online will probably be filled by hardy if he keeps showing up in SL and training, and to some extent thj. It kinda depends on what opposition got on floor, some times u dont need 2 ballhandlers.

algope · Post #88 » by **algope** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:04 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:I heard Kidd announced the starting lineup being:

Luka
Dinwiddie
DFS
Wood
McGee

2 ball handlers and 3 finishers. Now the question becomes if your only 2 ball handlers start, who leads the 2nd unit? Pretty much nobody on the bench that has a reliable handle to run an offense.
Yes, and I like it a lot.
We will need to see how the ream chemistry is with the new additions. THJ will hopefully make an expected impact off our bench.

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I'm not sure if that is a good lineup. Will there be enough balance with McGee, Wood and Luka? I mean, all three are not very good at defending the perimeter, so there's an imbalance there that sticks out like a sore thumb. How will the Mavs defend against a team that also use 5-out? Mavs will only have DFS and Dinwiddie to chase down guards and forwards with this 5, so basically only DFS. I'd rather start (or close) with Wood at C and Kleber at PF.

When looking at the starting 5 in Maverick41's post... the more I think about this... I'm wondering if the Dallas FO is lazily trying to recreate the 2020 Lebron Lakers team... rather than put thought into how they can build a better team around Luka. We had both McGee and Bullock too. Wood is your AD, Dinwiddie is your Caruso, Bullock is your KCP/Bullock, DFS is your Danny Green.

Lebron ............................. Luka
KCP/Caruso...................... Bullock/Dinwiddie
Green/KCP....................... DFS/Bullock
AD................................... Wood/Kleber
McGee/Howard................. McGee/Powell

It all matches up...

It's not a bad way to go but needs tweaking. Like if they are gonna go this route, it would have been much preferable to get Jericho Sims, since he is like McGee with the rim protection and rebounding but is also very capable at providing help defense anywhere with his mobility and lateral quickness. That's the kind of player Mavs need to be the defensive anchor at C, since on defense, Luka is not like Lebron and Wood is not like AD.

Not a good lineup for me. McGee-Wood together seems like a recipe for a disaster playing together.
In my honest opinion McGee-DoeDoe is a good pairing and Wood-Kleber too. But it seems both Wood and McGee got a promise to start so here we are even it is not ideal. I only except these experiments don´t last too long and Kidd puts on the floor the possible lineup and not the one he is forced to put.

arkuo · Post #89 » by **arkuo** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:45 pm

algope wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Yes, and I like it a lot.
We will need to see how the ream chemistry is with the new additions. THJ will hopefully make an expected impact off our bench.

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I'm not sure if that is a good lineup. Will there be enough balance with McGee, Wood and Luka? I mean, all three are not very good at defending the perimeter, so there's an imbalance there that sticks out like a sore thumb. How will the Mavs defend against a team that also use 5-out? Mavs will only have DFS and Dinwiddie to chase down guards and forwards with this 5, so basically only DFS. I'd rather start (or close) with Wood at C and Kleber at PF.

When looking at the starting 5 in Maverick41's post... the more I think about this... I'm wondering if the Dallas FO is lazily trying to recreate the 2020 Lebron Lakers team... rather than put thought into how they can build a better team around Luka. We had both McGee and Bullock too. Wood is your AD, Dinwiddie is your Caruso, Bullock is your KCP/Bullock, DFS is your Danny Green.

Lebron ............................. Luka
KCP/Caruso...................... Bullock/Dinwiddie
Green/KCP....................... DFS/Bullock
AD................................... Wood/Kleber
McGee/Howard................. McGee/Powell

It all matches up...

It's not a bad way to go but needs tweaking. Like if they are gonna go this route, it would have been much preferable to get Jericho Sims, since he is like McGee with the rim protection and rebounding but is also very capable at providing help defense anywhere with his mobility and lateral quickness. That's the kind of player Mavs need to be the defensive anchor at C, since on defense, Luka is not like Lebron and Wood is not like AD.

Not a good lineup for me. McGee-Wood together seems like a recipe for a disaster playing together.
In my honest opinion McGee-DoeDoe is a good pairing and Wood-Kleber too. But it seems both Wood and McGee got a promise to start so here we are even it is not ideal. I only except these experiments don´t last too long and Kidd puts on the floor the possible lineup and not the one he is forced to put.

Mcgee doesnt have to start and play 35 mins pee game IMO. He can start and get easy points on the board early in the game. He can be subbed out as they transition into small ball.

Wood mentioned that Kidd wanted to emphasize defense when he starts. So you got Wood + DFS + Bullock being able to rotate on defense and take on guards like GSW has, and you have Mcgee defending the paint because Kevon Looney has no business scoring 27 pts on Dwight Powell in the paint. You address those needs and you run it back. Brunson would have been a nice piece to have too. But his production can easily be covered for with THJ and Dinwiddie.

Teffer10 · Post #90 » by **Teffer10** » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:52 pm

arkuo wrote:Wood said in his interview that Kidd emphasized defense for him at PF.

I caught that too and was encouraged by Wood's tone and attitude when he made that comment.

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BeiBeau · Post #93 » by **BeiBeau** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:48 am

1. JaVale isn’t Dwight. He offers about the same on offense but WAY more in rim protection and a large upgrade in rebounding. He’s also a bigger frame who can set better screens. He’ll get more then the 10-15 Dwight got. Probably closer to 24

2. I don’t think that Luka/Dinwiddie/DFS/Wood/McGee is the best starting lineup, even with the assumption that McGee was promised he would start. I think Tim or Bullock both make way more since as starters over Dinwiddie because they’re both better off ball shooters and Bullock is a better defender. Plus that would allow Dinwiddie to run the 2nd unit.

3. All of the line issues can probably be solved with a early 1st quarter sub(6 minutes in?) where Dinwiddie sits and Tim/Reggie come in depending on what Dallas needs. Optionally both Javale and Dinwiddie can sit to give Dallas a Luka/Tim/Reggie/DFS/Wood line up.

Post #94 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:17 am

This team still lacks a 3rd guard, no way we're going into the season with Luka and twice torn ACL Dinwiddie to cover 48 minutes 82 games of ball handling.
Luka 2023 isn't 2020 Luka, he's a bigger and thicker player, he shouldn't be playing full time PG, Mavs need to protect his health and conserve his energy.
Also, last year team was killer in small ball lineup with Luka/DFS playing the 4/5, this is the exact opposite direction, I love that the team added size in McGee and Wood, this is much better equipped team for the post season, but the team can't go into season with this guard rotation.
Another thing I hate about this roster, I wanted minutes and bigger role for Bertans, I didn't see the bad player people are talking about, from how it looks, he has no place in rotation, at all, all 4/5 minutes will go to McGee/Wood/Kleber/DFS, which sucks,I think they'll keep him thes year and use his contract next year.

Dinwiddie(28)/X(20)
Luka(32)/Bullock(16)
DFS(16)/THJ(28)/Bullock(4)
Wood(32)/DFS(16)
McGee(20)/Maxi(20)/Powell(8)

X -- right now is Ntilkina, Green and Hardy.

Darren · Post #95 » by **Darren** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:41 am

KhalilS wrote:This team still lacks a 3rd guard, no way we're going into the season with Luka and twice torn ACL Dinwiddie to cover 48 minutes 82 games of ball handling.
Luka 2023 isn't 2020 Luka, he's a bigger and thicker player, he shouldn't be playing full time PG, Mavs need to protect his health and conserve his energy.
Also, last year team was killer in small ball lineup with Luka/DFS playing the 4/5, this is the exact opposite direction, I love that the team added size in McGee and Wood, this is much better equipped team for the post season, but the team can't go into season with this guard rotation.
Another thing I hate about this roster, I wanted minutes and bigger role for Bertans, I didn't see the bad player people are talking about, from how it looks, he has no place in rotation, at all, all 4/5 minutes will go to McGee/Wood/Kleber/DFS, which sucks,I think they'll keep him thes year and use his contract next year.

Dinwiddie(28)/X(20)
Luka(32)/Bullock(16)
DFS(16)/THJ(28)/Bullock(4)
Wood(32)/DFS(16)
McGee(20)/Maxi(20)/Powell(8)

X -- right now is Ntilkina, Green and Hardy.

Powell should be inactive. Bertans should be closed. The Mavs need to train up players and trade values. I should say Putting McGee and Dinwiddle in starting lineup forces Wood to play defense and Dinwiddle to shoot on target and diversify drives. Otherwise, both will get unfavorable bargains on next contract. Dinwiddle, in particular, could drop to 12M per. That's basically JET's contract.

Darren · Post #96 » by **Darren** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:42 am

Powell and Bertans both won't comeback. Don't bother to play them unless a favorable mismatch appears.

Michaellam1987 · Post #97 » by **Michaellam1987** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:08 am

KhalilS wrote:This team still lacks a 3rd guard, no way we're going into the season with Luka and twice torn ACL Dinwiddie to cover 48 minutes 82 games of ball handling.
Luka 2023 isn't 2020 Luka, he's a bigger and thicker player, he shouldn't be playing full time PG, Mavs need to protect his health and conserve his energy.
Also, last year team was killer in small ball lineup with Luka/DFS playing the 4/5, this is the exact opposite direction, I love that the team added size in McGee and Wood, this is much better equipped team for the post season, but the team can't go into season with this guard rotation.
Another thing I hate about this roster, I wanted minutes and bigger role for Bertans, I didn't see the bad player people are talking about, from how it looks, he has no place in rotation, at all, all 4/5 minutes will go to McGee/Wood/Kleber/DFS, which sucks,I think they'll keep him thes year and use his contract next year.

Dinwiddie(28)/X(20)
Luka(32)/Bullock(16)
DFS(16)/THJ(28)/Bullock(4)
Wood(32)/DFS(16)
McGee(20)/Maxi(20)/Powell(8)

X -- right now is Ntilkina, Green and Hardy.

This rotation is only suitable when we play lessor team in regular season. For games with other strong team, or during playoff, it is impossible for that X player to play 20 minutes.

Luka/DFS/Wood definitely need to play 35+ minute, while THJ/Dinwiddie/Bullock play 30+ minutes, and Maxi/McGee cover the remaining 45 minutes. Other players in the roster have really no place to be playing big minutes on the court if we want to maximize our chance to win.

Post #98 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:13 am

Yeah, this is strictly RS rotation, PO roation will be smaller, McGee, Powell and X will not see floor unless there is a relevant matchup.

Archx · Post #99 » by **Archx** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:26 am

Just purely looking at the playoff lineups, by far the best lineup was a stretch center (Maxi), 2nd ballhandler (Dinwiddie), two 3&D guys (Bullock/DFS) and Luka. Funny enough no "megastar" Brunson :lol:

The worst lineups were when DFS or 2ndary scorer was not in the game. Which is quite self explanatory and it makes sense that Kidd will quickly figure out that either Bullock or THJ will eventually need to start. Moving Dinwiddie to lead the bench will in theory be their best option. It will be hard to juggle Luka and Dinwiddie if both start.

Even worst possible scenario if one of them gets injured Mavs will have huge issues. Frank can't lead the PG and it also shows in statistics. When Frank played, his lineups were huge negative.

Teffer10 · Post #100 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm

Honestly I think the rotation all depends on Wood's commitment to defense.
If he buys in, I don't see McGee getting heavy minutes because the obvious rotation would be Wood and Maxi rotating at center and McGee only getting burn against dominating offense-oriented traditional sized centers which aren't many in this league.