Trade Ideas for This Season

[jrj202]

We've apparently discussed a S&T for Collin Sexton

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Sexton - Mitchell backcourt looks like a bad fit. Both ball dominant that look to score first

[AingesBurner]

I don’t think Sexton is coming to Utah unless we plan on trading Mitchell.

[jrj202]

I have a hard time seeing us add another guard

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I don't get why you would want win-now pieces if you are trading Mitchell?

If Mitchell is gone or about to be gone, IMO we should try to be as bad as possible in the short term.

That Zanik/Ainge press-conference was pretty clear invitation to other teams - come on, WOW us! Lets see all those picks you've been hoarding. It might not happen this off-season but I fully expect the Jazz to trade him in the next year or so...

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I have a hard time seeing us add another guard

You'd have to imagine that the Jazz would be trading either Beverley or Beasley, or both, if they are going for Sexton....... It would be a sign and trade since we don't have the cap space to sign him outright.......

[jrj202]

I don't get why you would want win-now pieces if you are trading Mitchell?

If Mitchell is gone or about to be gone, IMO we should try to be as bad as possible in the short term.

That Zanik/Ainge press-conference was pretty clear invitation to other teams - come on, WOW us! Lets see all those picks you've been hoarding. It might not happen this off-season but I fully expect the Jazz to trade him in the next year or so...

Because building around star players is the one recipe that is proven to work in the NBA. We have a 25 year old star under team control for at least three more seasons.

Ainge had Paul Pierce under similar circumstances. They should've just traded him and tanked...

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I don't get why you would want win-now pieces if you are trading Mitchell?

If Mitchell is gone or about to be gone, IMO we should try to be as bad as possible in the short term.

That Zanik/Ainge press-conference was pretty clear invitation to other teams - come on, WOW us! Lets see all those picks you've been hoarding. It might not happen this off-season but I fully expect the Jazz to trade him in the next year or so...

Because building around star players is the one recipe that is proven to work in the NBA. We have a 25 year old star under team control for at least three more seasons.

Ainge had Paul Pierce under similar circumstances. They should've just traded him and tanked...

Building around star players that actually want to be part of the team long-term is good strategy. This is not the case with Mitchell. He refused to give even the mildest lip-service committment to this team just a month ago and then him and his agency have used Woj to start constructing a narrative that would let him ask out in the near future. Every freaking analyst/reporter who is anyone in the league is saying Mitchell is not long for Utah. They all expect him to ask out sooner or later.

And I expect him to be gone sooner or later. I don't think it's wise to build around someone who doesn't want ot be on this team.

[jrj202]

Building around star players that actually want to be part of the team long-term is good strategy. This is not the case with Mitchell. He refused to give even the mildest lip-service committment to this team just a month ago and then him and his agency have used Woj to start constructing a narrative that would let him ask out in the near future. Every freaking analyst/reporter who is anyone in the league is saying Mitchell is not long for Utah. They all expect him to ask out sooner or later.

And I expect him to be gone sooner or later. I don't think it's wise to build around someone who doesn't want ot be on this team.

Donovan hasn't done anything to indicate that he wants out of Utah. His camp has been in contact with the front office about the roster and he's been in contact with Will Hardy. Brian Windhorst said he expected Don to ask out and then walked it back a couple of days later.

The rumblings about him being upset or wanting a better chance to win are the things that come with a star player. If you draft another one it won't be different.

The "Don doesn't want to be here" narrative is one that the fanbase has made up in their heads because they're still shook from Hayward leaving.

We have $50M in cap space and 3 1st round picks at our disposal next offseason. If we add a talented wing or two and a starting center, we're right back in the mix. If Don leaves a couple of years down the road, you still have a team that can compete. Bottoming out has rarely worked out for anyone in the NBA.

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Donovan hasn't done anything to indicate that he wants out of Utah. His camp has been in contact with the front office about the roster and he's been in contact with Will Hardy. Brian Windhorst said he expected Don to ask out and then walked it back a couple of days later.

The rumblings about him being upset or wanting a better chance to win are the things that come with a star player. If you draft another one it won't be different.

The "Don doesn't want to be here" narrative is one that the fanbase has made up in their heads because they're still shook from Hayward leaving.

COMPLETELY disagree with your evaluation of the situation and where Donovan is. Just a month ago in his exit interview he refused to give the mildest committment to this team. He was asked point blank and he refused to. Then when Quin left he used Woj to push through a narrative where he's "Unsettled and unnerved and questioning the direction of the franchise". His social media
also gives some clues with him liking toxic tweets and he hasn't said ANYTHING about the Jazz since the end of the season. Windhorst, McMahon, Larsen, Beck, Mannix, Russilo, O'Conner, Simmons... you name it... everybody who is anybody in NBA reporting/analysis is saying Mitchell is not long for Utah. This is not me saying or creating a narrative in my head. This is Donovan himself, his agency and everybody in the league that thinks he's gone. This is the biggest public secret in the league right now.

But if you don't believe me, or Donovan, or the slew of reporters/analysts, believe the Jazz FO who seem to be preparing for and actively inviting offers. How else would you characterize that press-conference that Ainge and Zanik gave and their stance on Mitchell? Can you imagine a team GM saying the same things they said about Mitchell about Giannis or Luka or Booker or Morant or any young star in the league? This is not what you say when you are desperate to keep someone. This is what you say when you are preparing to trade your star player.

We have $50M in cap space and 3 1st round picks at our disposal next offseason. If we add a talented wing or two and a starting center, we're right back in the mix. If Don leaves a couple of years down the road, you still have a team that can compete. Bottoming out has rarely worked out for anyone in the NBA.

Money is useless in this market, except to give it to players who you've drafted. Our biggest FA signing in the last 15 years has been Bojan Bogdanovic. Donovan + "a talented wing or two" (how are you going to get them before he asks out or his contract expires when those are the most sought after types of players in the league right now?) and a starting center does not get you back in the mix. Mitchell is not THAT kind of a player that single-handedly makes you a contender. We don't have the talent.

In the absolute worst case scenario what I'd do as Ainge/Jazz FO is wait for next season and offer Mitchell the max extension he's eligible for(he becomes eligible for extension next summer) and if he refuses to sign it, I trade him then. But IMO it's a big risk trying to build around him in the meantime. I personally would be very wary of sacrificing this team's future for this one year with Mitchell. I need full committment from him before I pour any major resources on a future around him.

[jrj202]

COMPLETELY disagree with your evaluation of the situation and where Donovan is. Just a month ago in his exit interview he refused to give the mildest committment to this team. He was asked point blank Then when Quin left he used Woj to push through a narrative where he's "Unsettled and unnerved and questioning the direction of the franchise". Windhorst, McMahon, Larsen, Beck, Mannix, Russilo, O'Conner, Simmons... you name it... everybody who is anybody in NBA reporting/analysis is saying Mitchell is not long for Utah. This is not me saying or creating a narrative in my head. This is Donovan himself, his agency and everybody in the league that thinks he's gone. This is the biggest public secret in the league right now.

But if you don't believe me, or Donovan, or the slew of reporters/analysts, believe the Jazz FO who seem to be preparing for and actively inviting offers. How else would you characterize that press-conference that Ainge and Zanik gave and their stance on Mitchell? Can you imagine a team GM saying the same things they said about Mitchell about Giannis or Luka or Booker or Morant or any young star in the league? This is not what you say when you are desperate to keep someone. This is what you say when you are preparing to trade your star player.

Money is useless in this market, except to give it to players who you've drafted. Our biggest FA signing in the last 15 years has been Bojan Bogdanovic. Donovan + "a talented wing or two" (how are you going to get them before he asks out or his contract expires) and a starting center does not get you back in the mix. Mitchell is not THAT kind of a player that single-handedly makes you a contender. We don't have the talent.

In the absolute worst case scenario what I'd do as Ainge/Jazz FO is wait for next season and offer Mitchell the max extension he's eligible for(he becomes eligible for extension next summer) and if he refuses to sign it, I trade him then. But IMO it's a big risk trying to build around him in the meantime. I personally would be very wary of sacrificing this team's future for this one year with Mitchell. I need full committment from him before I pour any major resources on a future around him.

Again, this happens frequently with star players, Jazz fans just aren't used to it. He had a chance to ask out and didn't, he has been in contact with the front office, and the new coach. We have as much roster flexibility as any team in the NBA going forward.

You can go after RFA like Barrett/Hunter or someone like Wiggins as well.

Panicking because Don might want out in 3 years would be a terrible decision.

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Again, this happens frequently with star players, Jazz fans just aren't used to it. He had a chance to ask out and didn't, he has been in contact with the front office, and the new coach. We have as much roster flexibility as any team in the NBA going forward.

You can go after RFA like Barrett/Hunter or someone like Wiggins as well.

Panicking because Don might want out in 3 years would be a terrible decision.

The 3 years on his deal is the precise reason he hasn't asked out. He has very little say about where he would be sent with 3 years on his contract. Nobody would bat an eye to bid on him even if he expresses displeasure with it. Now with 2 or 1 year on the contract Mitchell will have almost complete control about where he would be sent... and actually this is what I expect will happen if we don't trade him now - he will ask out next year(or he will refuse to sign the extension) and he will give a very limited list of preferred destinations and he will discourage bidding from other places. Only at that time his word will actually have much more bite and it will limit our options considerably. So why limit yourself? If I'm Ainge I open it up to everybody, not just the Knicks or the Heat. Let SAC or NOP or OKC make offers with all they have... make NYK outbid them, not the trash offer that MIA will send. And if I'm reading the situation correctly... this is precisely what the FO is doing now. They are definitely listening to offers. You don't say what they said the other day if they are not actively listening.

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Let me put it this way - construct the remaining of this off-season so Mitchell accepts extension next year and/or doesn't ask out?

What needs to happen so he commits to this team in the next off-season after refusing to do it this season with 3 years left on his contract? (do it within reason, no 3 1sts for Luka type of nonsense).

I need a realistic scenario where Ainge offers Donovan 3 year max extension next year and he says yes. What type of a team would we need to build for this to happen? I don't think there is a realistic scenario where this happens. That's why I think Donovan is gone. And why I think the FO know it and is acting accordingly.

[jrj202]

Again, this happens frequently with star players, Jazz fans just aren't used to it. He had a chance to ask out and didn't, he has been in contact with the front office, and the new coach. We have as much roster flexibility as any team in the NBA going forward.

You can go after RFA like Barrett/Hunter or someone like Wiggins as well.

Panicking because Don might want out in 3 years would be a terrible decision.

The 3 years on his deal is the precise reason he hasn't asked out. He has very little say about where he would be sent with 3 years on his contract. Nobody would bat an eye to bid on him even if he expresses displeasure with it. Now with 2 or 1 year on the contract Mitchell will have almost complete control about where he would be sent... and actually this is what I expect will happen if we don't trade him now - he will ask out next year(or he will refuse to sign the extension) and he will give a very limited list of preferred destinations and he will discourage bidding from other places. Only at that time his word will actually have much more bite and it will limit our options considerably. So why limit yourself? If I'm Ainge I open it up to everybody, not just the Knicks or the Heat. Let SAC or NOP or OKC make offers with all they have... make NYK outbid them, not the trash offer that MIA will send. And if I'm reading the situation correctly... this is precisely what the FO is doing now. They are definitely listening to offers. You don't say what they said the other day if they are not actively listening.

So tank and then what? Why would any other star want to be here after seeing how the fanbase has dragged Don? lol

[jrj202]

Let me put it this way - construct the remaining of this off-season so Mitchell accepts extension next year and/or doesn't ask out?

What needs to happen so he commits to this team in the next off-season after refusing to do it this season with 3 years left on his contract? (do it within reason, no 3 1sts for Luka type of nonsense).

I need a realistic scenario where Ainge offers Donovan 3 year max extension next year and he says yes. What type of a team would we need to build for this to happen? I don't think there is a realistic scenario where this happens. That's why I think Donovan is gone. And why I think the FO know it and is acting accordingly.

We're set to have $50M in cap space and 3 1st round picks. Ainge has shown the ability to rebuild/retool rosters as well as any executive in the entire league. I'm not going to act like the sky is falling because we traded Rudy and Royce.

I'd rather go for it and if he walks for nothing then so be it.

[AingesBurner]

Again, this happens frequently with star players, Jazz fans just aren't used to it. He had a chance to ask out and didn't, he has been in contact with the front office, and the new coach. We have as much roster flexibility as any team in the NBA going forward.

You can go after RFA like Barrett/Hunter or someone like Wiggins as well.

Panicking because Don might want out in 3 years would be a terrible decision.

The 3 years on his deal is the precise reason he hasn't asked out. He has very little say about where he would be sent with 3 years on his contract. Nobody would bat an eye to bid on him even if he expresses displeasure with it. Now with 2 or 1 year on the contract Mitchell will have almost complete control about where he would be sent... and actually this is what I expect will happen if we don't trade him now - he will ask out next year(or he will refuse to sign the extension) and he will give a very limited list of preferred destinations and he will discourage bidding from other places. Only at that time his word will actually have much more bite and it will limit our options considerably. So why limit yourself? If I'm Ainge I open it up to everybody, not just the Knicks or the Heat. Let SAC or NOP or OKC make offers with all they have... make NYK outbid them, not the trash offer that MIA will send. And if I'm reading the situation correctly... this is precisely what the FO is doing now. They are definitely listening to offers. You don't say what they said the other day if they are not actively listening.

So tank and then what? Why would any other star want to be here after seeing how the fanbase has dragged Don? lol

That wasn’t the case 2 years ago but then came the rumors he wanted to leave. Players cannot expect loyalty when they are not loyal themselves.

[jrj202]

The 3 years on his deal is the precise reason he hasn't asked out. He has very little say about where he would be sent with 3 years on his contract. Nobody would bat an eye to bid on him even if he expresses displeasure with it. Now with 2 or 1 year on the contract Mitchell will have almost complete control about where he would be sent... and actually this is what I expect will happen if we don't trade him now - he will ask out next year(or he will refuse to sign the extension) and he will give a very limited list of preferred destinations and he will discourage bidding from other places. Only at that time his word will actually have much more bite and it will limit our options considerably. So why limit yourself? If I'm Ainge I open it up to everybody, not just the Knicks or the Heat. Let SAC or NOP or OKC make offers with all they have... make NYK outbid them, not the trash offer that MIA will send. And if I'm reading the situation correctly... this is precisely what the FO is doing now. They are definitely listening to offers. You don't say what they said the other day if they are not actively listening.

So tank and then what? Why would any other star want to be here after seeing how the fanbase has dragged Don? lol

That wasn’t the case 2 years ago but then came the rumors he wanted to leave. Players cannot expect loyalty when they are not loyal themselves.

Don's unloyal because he's never asked out, has been in contact with the team/coach, and extended here. But some randoms on twitter saying he might be traded later down the line, means his bags are packed.

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So tank and then what? Why would any other star want to be here after seeing how the fanbase has dragged Don? lol

That wasn’t the case 2 years ago but then came the rumors he wanted to leave. Players cannot expect loyalty when they are not loyal themselves.

And it's not just the rumors he wanted to leave. He himself and his agency have continued to feed those narratives with leaks to the media in opportune moments. 2 of the last 3 season he has left Jazz fans to wonder about "the direction of the franchise" and his wishes when if he wanted to he could have calmed the spirits and anxieties of the fans with the simplest of simple statements. He chose not to. Both times. We had to bear the "unsalvagable" off-season and now we are will have to keep wondering about the "unsettled and unnerved" off-season. This is not something you do with the team and the fans of a team you have long-term commitment to. Especially when you are asked point blank to give the mildest form of committment and you refuse to do it.

I do NOT trust a word coming out of Donovan's and his agents' mouths right now. And this is NOT baseless paranoia or something every fanbase goes through with their star players.

[jrj202]

So tank and then what? Why would any other star want to be here after seeing how the fanbase has dragged Don? lol

That wasn’t the case 2 years ago but then came the rumors he wanted to leave. Players cannot expect loyalty when they are not loyal themselves.

And it's not just the rumors he wanted to leave. He himself and his agency have continued to feed those narratives with leaks to the media in opportune moments. 2 of the last 3 season he has left Jazz fans to wonder about "the direction of the franchise" and his wishes when if he wanted to he could have calmed the spirits and anxieties of the fans with the simplest of simple statements. He chose not to. Both times. We had to bear the "unsalvagable" off-season and now we are will have to keep wondering about the "unsettled and unnerved" off-season. This is not something you do with the team and the fans of a team you have long-term commitment to.

I do NOT trust a word coming out of Donovan's and his agents' mouths right now. And this is NOT baseless paranoia or something every fanbase goes through with their star players.

Woj is a CAA guy and has leaked nothing about Donovan wanting to leave. Again, superstar players do things like this everywhere in the league. Utah just really isn't a market that can sustain real star talent.

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Woj is a CAA guy and has leaked nothing about Donovan wanting to leave. Again, superstar players do things like this everywhere in the league. Utah just really isn't a market that can sustain real star talent.

He leaked how "unsettled and unnerved" Donovan is. How "surprised and disappointed" he was. How he's "questioning the direction of the franchise". This was all leaked by Woj. This was 1 month after he refused to give any commitment to this franchise in his exit interview.

Of course he's not leaked he wants out now. There is no benefit to Donovan for him to ask for a trade right now. Why would he ask out now when the Jazz can send him to Sacramento or OKC or Cleveland or NOP for the next 3 years? It's much cleaner to prepare the soil for next year when he can have real power in where he's going to get sent.