Offseason Thread VOL 4- MILLSAP MANIA

[AirP.]

If we trade Bam for KD we better win 2 championships or something over the next 4 seasons because when after that we’re in for just as long of a stretch at minimum of mediocrity and we’re going to have to strike gold again on our lottery picks

Your just being ridiculously greedy and entitled. you make it sound like not getting KD and we end up with 2 titles!

Giving up Bam and all our future picks leaves us in a VERY bleak position post-KD and Jimmy (in ~2-3 years). Bam is a great player that is still young and improving. I know half this board thinks he's a glorified replacement level rim runner.

The reality is that Bam is the foundation for a top defense and a key cog for a versatile offense. He's Miami's only real future building block. As important as any of it, he is literally best friends with half of the emerging stars in the league. Give Miami cap space in 3 years with Bam able to recruit his UFA buddies and we have the foundation for the post-Jimmy era.

The juice needs to be worth the squeeze.

But... in this 4 year run of KD and Butler you should be getting vets to sign on for the minimum that are a good value but it is true you won't be developing young 1st rounders. The first year Butler and KD are done with their contracts, Miami can recruit with possibly max space(possibly for 2 max contracts) available for a FA and at that point Miami will also have 4 more 1st rounders ready to move to restock the team.

You get as high level as talent as you can get and then figure the rest out. Teams tank for years just to have a chance that whoever they draft will become a top tier player in 3-4 years.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Bam is not considered a threat by any of our opponents fan bases I know that much lmao

[Daffy]

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Well, that's true unless Miami were to go get a defensive center. Say Myles Turner or Jakob Poeltl? I wouldn't mind Montrezl Harrell coming off the bench for a defensive center.

If Miami moves Bam that means they probably aren't moving Yurtseven in that transaction, you'd try to build a package with him in it to bring back a defensive center.

I was with you until you said Harrell as a defensive center. That man isn't a defensive guy. But I agree with everything else.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we trade Bam for KD we better win 2 championships or something over the next 4 seasons because when after that we’re in for just as long of a stretch at minimum of mediocrity and we’re going to have to strike gold again on our lottery picks

Your just being ridiculously greedy and entitled. you make it sound like not getting KD and we end up with 2 titles!

Nope, 4 year window with old stars and no future <<<<<< 10 year window with a bright future and young star everyone wants to play with.

Pretty simple.

[AirP.]

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Well, that's true unless Miami were to go get a defensive center. Say Myles Turner or Jakob Poeltl? I wouldn't mind Montrezl Harrell coming off the bench for a defensive center.

If Miami moves Bam that means they probably aren't moving Yurtseven in that transaction, you'd try to build a package with him in it to bring back a defensive center.

I was with you until you said Harrell as a defensive center. That man isn't a defensive guy. But I agree with everything else.

I meant him replacing a defensive center... as in start a defensive center in front of him because he's just an hustle offensive player. I've altered my original post to help clarify that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is not considered a threat by any of our opponents fan bases I know that much lmao

Then they’re idiots because he’ll almost single handedly eliminate their star player no matter who it is

[greg4012]

Your just being ridiculously greedy and entitled. you make it sound like not getting KD and we end up with 2 titles!

Giving up Bam and all our future picks leaves us in a VERY bleak position post-KD and Jimmy (in ~2-3 years). Bam is a great player that is still young and improving. I know half this board thinks he's a glorified replacement level rim runner.

The reality is that Bam is the foundation for a top defense and a key cog for a versatile offense. He's Miami's only real future building block. As important as any of it, he is literally best friends with half of the emerging stars in the league. Give Miami cap space in 3 years with Bam able to recruit his UFA buddies and we have the foundation for the post-Jimmy era.

The juice needs to be worth the squeeze.

But... in this 4 year run of KD and Butler you should be getting vets to sign on for the minimum that are a good value but it is true you won't be developing young 1st rounders. The first year Butler and KD are done with their contracts, Miami can recruit with possibly max space(possibly for 2 max contracts) available for a FA and at that point Miami will also have 4 more 1st rounders ready to move to restock the team.

You get as high level as talent as you can get and then figure the rest out. Teams tank for years just to have a chance that whoever they draft will become a top tier player in 3-4 years.

I fully agree as to the upside of the 2-4 year window with a Jimmy and KD pairing. I'm speaking to the downside risk after (which I believe isn't something you particularly care about).

[Flash4thewin]

If we trade Bam for KD we better win 2 championships or something over the next 4 seasons because when after that we’re in for just as long of a stretch at minimum of mediocrity and we’re going to have to strike gold again on our lottery picks

Your just being ridiculously greedy and entitled. you make it sound like not getting KD and we end up with 2 titles!

Nope, 4 year window with old stars and no future <<<<<< 10 year window with a bright future and young star everyone wants to play with.

Pretty simple.

What bright future? You have the front office giving out 180 million dollars to the likes of Duncan and Lowry. That was voluntary and Pat thought they where great deals

You take the star player now and try to win now or piss off Butler and he will force our hands.

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[wade44]

If we strike out on all the big ticket guys which I think we more than likely will, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Jimmy for a package like Gobert got (5 first round picks). Then just build around Herro bam with tons of draft ammunition for the next decade. I fear holding onto Butler too long will end bad for us

[AirP.]

Giving up Bam and all our future picks leaves us in a VERY bleak position post-KD and Jimmy (in ~2-3 years). Bam is a great player that is still young and improving. I know half this board thinks he's a glorified replacement level rim runner.

The reality is that Bam is the foundation for a top defense and a key cog for a versatile offense. He's Miami's only real future building block. As important as any of it, he is literally best friends with half of the emerging stars in the league. Give Miami cap space in 3 years with Bam able to recruit his UFA buddies and we have the foundation for the post-Jimmy era.

The juice needs to be worth the squeeze.

But... in this 4 year run of KD and Butler you should be getting vets to sign on for the minimum that are a good value but it is true you won't be developing young 1st rounders. The first year Butler and KD are done with their contracts, Miami can recruit with possibly max space(possibly for 2 max contracts) available for a FA and at that point Miami will also have 4 more 1st rounders ready to move to restock the team.

You get as high level as talent as you can get and then figure the rest out. Teams tank for years just to have a chance that whoever they draft will become a top tier player in 3-4 years.

I fully agree as to the upside of the 2-4 year window with a Jimmy and KD pairing. I'm speaking to the downside risk after (which I believe isn't something you particularly care about).

I don't care all that much but if I did, I wouldn't worry much at all, that first year after KD and Butler are done the draft pick is going to be near the bottom of the 1st round, so if Miami restocks with 1 or 2 max players you're not going to hit rock bottom at all and it's quite possible with recent history of doing very well, you may just restock, have a middle of the pack year and then just rebuild like normal. If this were a lower level NBA team that has to build through the draft, say OKC or even Detroit you'd be looking for 4+ years of being bad/horrible.

You also act as if there's no downside of not trading him, it's possible Miami doesn't get to the finals again in the next 4 years, Butler's gone and all of a sudden possibly without max space you're going to find a better player then Butler has been in the playoffs to add to this team? It's possible but it's possible it doesn't happen.

[Daffy]

Well, that's true unless Miami were to go get a defensive center. Say Myles Turner or Jakob Poeltl? I wouldn't mind Montrezl Harrell coming off the bench for a defensive center.

If Miami moves Bam that means they probably aren't moving Yurtseven in that transaction, you'd try to build a package with him in it to bring back a defensive center.

I was with you until you said Harrell as a defensive center. That man isn't a defensive guy. But I agree with everything else.

I meant him replacing a defensive center... as in start a defensive center in front of him because he's just an hustle offensive player. I've altered my original post to help clarify that.

Ahh got you. That definitely makes sense and I can get behind that. We could've actually used a guy like Trez badly last post season run.

[marson]

I'm interested to know how many of us here are in favor of trading Bam/Herro/Picks for KD.

Someone please create a poll lol

[Daffy]

I don't understand why people are saying without Bam we have no future. Cap space is a huge thing when you have the draw of playing in Miami. Those years with Butler and KD we will be consistent contenders. When those contracts are up we will have enough cap space for 2 max guys easily.

[greg4012]

But... in this 4 year run of KD and Butler you should be getting vets to sign on for the minimum that are a good value but it is true you won't be developing young 1st rounders. The first year Butler and KD are done with their contracts, Miami can recruit with possibly max space(possibly for 2 max contracts) available for a FA and at that point Miami will also have 4 more 1st rounders ready to move to restock the team.

You get as high level as talent as you can get and then figure the rest out. Teams tank for years just to have a chance that whoever they draft will become a top tier player in 3-4 years.

I fully agree as to the upside of the 2-4 year window with a Jimmy and KD pairing. I'm speaking to the downside risk after (which I believe isn't something you particularly care about).

I don't care all that much but if I did, I wouldn't worry much at all, that first year after KD and Butler are done the draft pick is going to be near the bottom of the 1st round, so if Miami restocks with 1 or 2 max players you're not going to hit rock bottom at all and it's quite possible with recent history of doing very well, you may just restock, have a middle of the pack year and then just rebuild like normal. If this were a lower level NBA team that has to build through the draft, say OKC or even Detroit you'd be looking for 4+ years of being bad/horrible.

You also act as if there's no downside of not trading him, it's possible Miami doesn't get to the finals again in the next 4 years, Butler's gone and all of a sudden possibly without max space you're going to find a better player then Butler has been in the playoffs to add to this team? It's possible but it's possible it doesn't happen.

Am I acting that way? Or are you conflating my posts with others. I'm just speaking to the understanding of both sides of it. Not everything needs to be binary and argument-oriented.

There's real reason to take pause to adding Bam to a trade. The upside very well may be worth it, and I'm on record as being on board with the right Bam trade for KD, but the devil is in the details.

[greg4012]

I was with you until you said Harrell as a defensive center. That man isn't a defensive guy. But I agree with everything else.

I meant him replacing a defensive center... as in start a defensive center in front of him because he's just an hustle offensive player. I've altered my original post to help clarify that.

Ahh got you. That definitely makes sense and I can get behind that. We could've actually used a guy like Trez badly last post season run.

Our opposition would've loved that too. Trez is a big bullseye target for offense's to go at in a postseason setting

[wade44]

I'm interested to know how many of us here are in favor of trading Bam/Herro/Picks for KD.

Someone please create a poll lol

The biggest issue with this is where to reroute Ben Simmons unless it would be to us. (yuck)

If it were just Bam, filler, picks for KD swap it may have already been a done deal

[AirP.]

I meant him replacing a defensive center... as in start a defensive center in front of him because he's just an hustle offensive player. I've altered my original post to help clarify that.

Ahh got you. That definitely makes sense and I can get behind that. We could've actually used a guy like Trez badly last post season run.

Our opposition would've loved that too. Trez is a big bullseye target for offense's to go at in a postseason setting

He's more of a regular season guy who in the playoffs would play a limited amount of minutes off the bench. Miami still has Dedmon as a better defensive option off the bench.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't understand why people are saying without Bam we have no future. Cap space is a huge thing when you have the draw of playing in Miami. Those years with Butler and KD we will be consistent contenders. When those contracts are up we will have enough cap space for 2 max guys easily.

That draw of playing in Miami was because of Wade and now Bam.

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