Around the League 2021-2022

BlacJacMac · Post #521 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 2:41 am

KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:He got better. To think we came one pick late of getting him and ended up blowing the #6 overall pick on Culver.

And we wouldn't have made the trade for D'Lo is we had Garland.

Then we wouldn't have ended up with Ant so maybe it was all meant to be.

We have no way of knowing that. Do you think we would’ve had a better record with a rookie Garland?

KGdaBom · Post #522 » by **KGdaBom** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:50 am

BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
And we wouldn't have made the trade for D'Lo is we had Garland.

Then we wouldn't have ended up with Ant so maybe it was all meant to be.

We have no way of knowing that. Do you think we would’ve had a better record with a rookie Garland?

Not relevant better record or not. Yes I think we would have, but it's the butterfly effect. Change one thing and everything else changes as well.

BlacJacMac · Post #523 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 4:41 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Then we wouldn't have ended up with Ant so maybe it was all meant to be.

We have no way of knowing that. Do you think we would’ve had a better record with a rookie Garland?

Not relevant better record or not. Yes I think we would have, but it's the butterfly effect. Change one thing and everything else changes as well.

Too many assumptions. You also can't assume that if we got the 2nd or 3rd pick Ant wouldn't have been there. There was no #1 consensus pick that year. If anything, Ball seemed to be the more popular choice.

And rookie Garland was not better than D'Lo. He is now, but that's after 3 years.

KGdaBom · Post #524 » by **KGdaBom** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:06 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
We have no way of knowing that. Do you think we would’ve had a better record with a rookie Garland?

Not relevant better record or not. Yes I think we would have, but it's the butterfly effect. Change one thing and everything else changes as well.

Too many assumptions. You also can't assume that if we got the 2nd or 3rd pick Ant wouldn't have been there. There was no #1 consensus pick that year. If anything, Ball seemed to be the more popular choice.

And rookie Garland was not better than D'Lo. He is now, but that's after 3 years.

Odds are we wouldn't have got Edwards if something changed.

BlacJacMac · Post #525 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 5:28 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Not relevant better record or not. Yes I think we would have, but it's the butterfly effect. Change one thing and everything else changes as well.

Too many assumptions. You also can't assume that if we got the 2nd or 3rd pick Ant wouldn't have been there. There was no #1 consensus pick that year. If anything, Ball seemed to be the more popular choice.

And rookie Garland was not better than D'Lo. He is now, but that's after 3 years.

Odds are we wouldn't have got Edwards if something changed.

Oh sorry. I didn't know the odds. Glad you're on top of them.

KGdaBom · Post #526 » by **KGdaBom** » Sun Jul 3, 2022 6:41 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
Too many assumptions. You also can't assume that if we got the 2nd or 3rd pick Ant wouldn't have been there. There was no #1 consensus pick that year. If anything, Ball seemed to be the more popular choice.

And rookie Garland was not better than D'Lo. He is now, but that's after 3 years.

Odds are we wouldn't have got Edwards if something changed.

Oh sorry. I didn't know the odds. Glad you're on top of them.

Obviously we can't know what would have happened. The butterfly effect is a very real thing. A simple choice we make can and almost certainly will change our entire lives. If we had drafted Garland most likely we don't end up with Ant.

winforlose · Post #527 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:45 am

I am not sure how I feel about a Donovan Mitchell to NYK trade. Brunson, and DM together is interesting, but both are undersized. Depending on what they trade away a starting five of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson would be fascinating but not necessarily dominate. What do you guys think?

KGdaBom · Post #528 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:16 am

winforlose wrote:I am not sure how I feel about a Donovan Mitchell to NYK trade. Brunson, and DM together is interesting, but both are undersized. Depending on what they trade away a starting five of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson would be fascinating but not necessarily dominate. What do you guys think?

It seems like a move the Knicks would make that would blow up in their face to me.

Klomp · Post #529 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:48 am

winforlose wrote:I am not sure how I feel about a Donovan Mitchell to NYK trade. Brunson, and DM together is interesting, but both are undersized. Depending on what they trade away a starting five of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson would be fascinating but not necessarily dominate. What do you guys think?

More power to them. Have fun with Thibs.

winforlose · Post #530 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:58 am

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:I am not sure how I feel about a Donovan Mitchell to NYK trade. Brunson, and DM together is interesting, but both are undersized. Depending on what they trade away a starting five of Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson would be fascinating but not necessarily dominate. What do you guys think?

More power to them. Have fun with Thibs.

Thibs with no defensive players, that would be funny. He benched Kemba because scoring 20 isn’t good enough when you give up 30. DM without Rudy might be worse. Brunson isn’t much better. That could be really bad really fast.

minimus · Post #531 » by **minimus** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:28 am

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Good for him! I wish we sign him though

winforlose · Post #532 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:55 am

minimus wrote:

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Good for him! I wish we sign him though

Why? Putting aside his poor summer league performance, what makes him better than the dozens of other guys who will get exhibit 10s? Moreover, according to hoopshype salary page Miami has already signed both two way players. The odds this kid makes their roster are very small (they didn’t even save a two way spot for him.) If we really want him we could probably have him. But again I ask is he really the best PG in the entire unsigned G league talent pool? Do you really want him as our PG3 and JMAC as Dlo’s primary backup?

minimus · Post #533 » by **minimus** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:06 am

winforlose wrote:
minimus wrote:

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Good for him! I wish we sign him though

Why? Putting aside his poor summer league performance, what makes him better than the dozens of other guys who will get exhibit 10s? Moreover, according to hoopshype salary page Miami has already signed both two way players. The odds this kid makes their roster are very small (they didn’t even save a two way spot for him.) If we really want him we could probably have him. But again I ask is he really the best PG in the entire unsigned G league talent pool? Do you really want him as our PG3 and JMAC as Dlo’s primary backup?

Yeah, he might not be ready to contribute this year. But I have feeling that this guy might end up as solid PG in NBA. Definitely a development project.

winforlose · Post #534 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:18 am

minimus wrote:
winforlose wrote:
minimus wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good for him! I wish we sign him though

Why? Putting aside his poor summer league performance, what makes him better than the dozens of other guys who will get exhibit 10s? Moreover, according to hoopshype salary page Miami has already signed both two way players. The odds this kid makes their roster are very small (they didn’t even save a two way spot for him.) If we really want him we could probably have him. But again I ask is he really the best PG in the entire unsigned G league talent pool? Do you really want him as our PG3 and JMAC as Dlo’s primary backup?

Yeah, he might not be ready to contribute this year. But I have feeling that this guy might end up as solid PG in NBA. Definitely a development project.

I get that, but the question is when and how do we develop him? If we throw him on a two way then we need to sign Minott to a roster spot and have only spot 14 to address our immediate needs. If we relinquish Knight (we sent him a QO already, but I am pretty sure we can pull it,) then we have Minott and Bouyea on two ways but we are still thin at PG2 and SF 3 and now we lost a guy who can play PF3 or C4 in a pinch. I know it is great to develop young guys, but between Moore and Minott we have met our quota. Our remaining spots need to be for guys who can contribute now. Otherwise we risk putting ourselves in a bad spot during the regular season and making the playoffs that much harder.

winforlose · Post #535 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:24 pm

Some interesting news in here. Big highlights, take fouls will give one free throw and possession, play in tournament is sticking around next season, money incentives to avoid load management is likely the next step but not likely before the next CBA.

https://apnews.com/article/nba-sports-basketball-adam-silver-bb4af370546f1c11d521b653719c4b7e

KGdaBom · Post #536 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 pm

winforlose wrote:Some interesting news in here. Big highlights, take fouls will give one free throw and possession, play in tournament is sticking around next season, money incentives to avoid load management is likely the next step but not likely before the next CBA.

https://apnews.com/article/nba-sports-basketball-adam-silver-bb4af370546f1c11d521b653719c4b7e

So actually penalizing teams for intentional fouls. I like it, but enforcing it will require so much referee judgment calls.

winforlose · Post #537 » by **winforlose** » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:42 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
winforlose wrote:Some interesting news in here. Big highlights, take fouls will give one free throw and possession, play in tournament is sticking around next season, money incentives to avoid load management is likely the next step but not likely before the next CBA.

https://apnews.com/article/nba-sports-basketball-adam-silver-bb4af370546f1c11d521b653719c4b7e

So actually penalizing teams for intentional fouls. I like it, but enforcing it will require so much referee judgment calls.

Kinda like an away from the ball foul during inbounds, it doesn’t seem to require discretion. Any foul committed in transition should meet the new rule. Although they did say the rule would be a work in progress and probably tweaked year to year.

Klomp · Post #538 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:58 pm

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KGdaBom · Post #539 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:13 pm

The excrement is hitting the Fan. Ayton about to sign max offer sheet with Pacers of all teams. Twin Towers with Myles Turner unless Phoenix matches.

winforlose · Post #540 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:28 pm

KGdaBom wrote:The excrement is hitting the Fan. Ayton about to sign max offer sheet with Pacers of all teams. Twin Towers with Myles Turner unless Phoenix matches.

Real GM basketball has an article saying the will match, and have no intention of trading him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267942/Suns-Not-Interested-In-Negotiating-Deandre-Ayton-Sign-And-Trade-Expected-To-Match-Offer-Sheet