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Bob8 wrote:
I believe Kidd never wanted Dragic. He's building a team with coaches and players friendly to him.
arkuo wrote:So it's Dragic who didnt want to go to Dallas instead of the other way around?
Bob8 wrote:arkuo wrote:So it's Dragic who didnt want to go to Dallas instead of the other way around?
Kidd didn't want him. Why would a player like Goran, btw. he looked great in Slovenian NT, sign vet deal just to sit on the bench? Bulls promised him playing time, Mavs didn't. Knowing situation in Pg department, they could easily promised him 20+ minutes, but Kidd obviously didn't want him here.
arkuo wrote:Bob8 wrote:arkuo wrote:So it's Dragic who didnt want to go to Dallas instead of the other way around?
Kidd didn't want him. Why would a player like Goran, btw. he looked great in Slovenian NT, sign vet deal just to sit on the bench? Bulls promised him playing time, Mavs didn't. Knowing situation in Pg department, they could easily promised him 20+ minutes, but Kidd obviously didn't want him here.
Well you cant promise a player x number of minutes per game. That would put you in a tight spot as a coach and would set a precedent for future player signings IMO.
Now in terms of starting Mcgee, you can start him for 5 mins then sit him back down. That's different from promising 25 minutes to someone up front. What if said player has a bad game and you as a coach still need to honor your promise of 25 minutes despite the bad game. That's a tough spot to be in, and you cant give too much power to a player that's not named KD or Bron. What's next for Dragic, a no trade clause? LMAO
Bob8 wrote:arkuo wrote:Bob8 wrote:
Kidd didn't want him. Why would a player like Goran, btw. he looked great in Slovenian NT, sign vet deal just to sit on the bench? Bulls promised him playing time, Mavs didn't. Knowing situation in Pg department, they could easily promised him 20+ minutes, but Kidd obviously didn't want him here.
Well you cant promise a player x number of minutes per game. That would put you in a tight spot as a coach and would set a precedent for future player signings IMO.
Now in terms of starting Mcgee, you can start him for 5 mins then sit him back down. That's different from promising 25 minutes to someone up front. What if said player has a bad game and you as a coach still need to honor your promise of 25 minutes despite the bad game. That's a tough spot to be in, and you cant give too much power to a player that's not named KD or Bron. What's next for Dragic, a no trade clause? LMAO
It looks to me that he got what he wanted in Chicago.
Mr B wrote:Darren wrote:Luka expects more from Mavs boss according to an interview with Spainish. I read into it the same way: the starting lineup projected recently will definitely not work. The Mavs need extra help from outside than Dinwiddle. The spacing is simply too poor if Dinwiddle and McGee both start. Needless to say, the management and coaching staff disappoint Luka by standing spat and think the offseason is done. Obviously, a playmaker is wanted. Who Luka wants exactly? The Mavs better figure out. It's not like Luka could share the court with anyone.
Yea he’s putting pressure on Nico to make more moves. I’m glad he’s doing it. Donnie Nelson got a free ride for far too long and the same can’t happen with Nico. Either produce or you need to be gone.
arkuo wrote:Bob8 wrote:arkuo wrote:
Well you cant promise a player x number of minutes per game. That would put you in a tight spot as a coach and would set a precedent for future player signings IMO.
Now in terms of starting Mcgee, you can start him for 5 mins then sit him back down. That's different from promising 25 minutes to someone up front. What if said player has a bad game and you as a coach still need to honor your promise of 25 minutes despite the bad game. That's a tough spot to be in, and you cant give too much power to a player that's not named KD or Bron. What's next for Dragic, a no trade clause? LMAO
It looks to me that he got what he wanted in Chicago.
Yeah it varies from coach to coach. Kidd seems like an alpha male coach being a floor general during his prime. Billy Donovan looks like a white kid you can push around in middle school. He'd promise you anything it seems. Good on the bulls though. Plus they are in the east. It's easier to travel for Dragic to see his kids and if there are divorce hearings he needs to attend if any.
Darren wrote:If you're Luka, it's easy to tell the displeasure :
1. Cuban unwilling to pay tax for Brunson. No offer until there is no chance. There's no chance to win anything as great teams are seriously stacked with two way contributors.
2. Nico exposes the plan to replace Brunson before an extension is signed. Bet on Hardy 100% which is unbelievable. Get unfavorable trade in KP. Give in pick on take back equally bad contracts. Let all Luka group go , including Igor, Boban and not even make Dragic an offer. And then, hints that the Mavs offseason is done with a key piece missing. Prioritize a big over a playmaker with only 6TMLE to play with.
3. Kidd claims a starting role for Dinwiddle and McGee to kill all the spacing; at the same time, make the 2nd unit vulnerable. It indicates that all parties are not on the same page with Luka: not care about winning nor happiness of Luka. And it also indicates the incompetence of the front office. There's no plan everywhere. Not driving up values for trade but makes everyone underperform with poor fit and substitutions. If the whole front office do not even think right, Luka has to speak out and plan for departure.
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arkuo wrote:KhalilS wrote:?t=x8p0vqkMxxwtAwYrslGQcQ&s=19
Come to think of it, if Dragic analyzed it further, it may be load managing him for the playoffs where he is needed the most. What's the use of a 36 year old playing all 82 games if he's cooked by the time the first round starts. Kawhi would gladly welcome taking it easy in the RS if it gives him fresh legs for the postseason. He's 36, not 22 years old. Sometimes you need someone else to tell you to take it easy.
The last time he played 75 games was in 2017. Now he wants to play every game? Are you kidding me? Goran played 36, 59 and 50 games for 2018, 2019 and 2020. Excluding the season where he sat out almost the entire year in toronto.
KhalilS wrote:arkuo wrote:KhalilS wrote:?t=x8p0vqkMxxwtAwYrslGQcQ&s=19
Come to think of it, if Dragic analyzed it further, it may be load managing him for the playoffs where he is needed the most. What's the use of a 36 year old playing all 82 games if he's cooked by the time the first round starts. Kawhi would gladly welcome taking it easy in the RS if it gives him fresh legs for the postseason. He's 36, not 22 years old. Sometimes you need someone else to tell you to take it easy.
The last time he played 75 games was in 2017. Now he wants to play every game? Are you kidding me? Goran played 36, 59 and 50 games for 2018, 2019 and 2020. Excluding the season where he sat out almost the entire year in toronto.
The team just lost a quality starting PG, and can't make a pitch for Luka's friend to come and fill for him? I'm beginning to think what Bob said about Jason Kidd taking over and filling the team with yes-men loyal to him is true, as if Mavs don't have generational talent wanting to win and winning ego wars for the coach is more important.
41Dirk41 wrote:Mr B wrote:Darren wrote:Luka expects more from Mavs boss according to an interview with Spainish. I read into it the same way: the starting lineup projected recently will definitely not work. The Mavs need extra help from outside than Dinwiddle. The spacing is simply too poor if Dinwiddle and McGee both start. Needless to say, the management and coaching staff disappoint Luka by standing spat and think the offseason is done. Obviously, a playmaker is wanted. Who Luka wants exactly? The Mavs better figure out. It's not like Luka could share the court with anyone.
Yea he’s putting pressure on Nico to make more moves. I’m glad he’s doing it. Donnie Nelson got a free ride for far too long and the same can’t happen with Nico. Either produce or you need to be gone.
Agree.
For sure losing your second best player for nothing it's not a contender move, beyond what happened.
KhalilS wrote:Bob8 wrote:Micic wants around 10 mio and guaranteed minutes.
Dragic said in interview that Mavs weren't his option, because they couldn't promise him enough minutes.
Not many teams left who can give him the full MLE, so I think he'll play one more year in Europe.
And Mavs promised McGee starting spot and couldn't offer Dragic 25MPG? My god this infuriating.
Mr B wrote:41Dirk41 wrote:Mr B wrote:Yea he’s putting pressure on Nico to make more moves. I’m glad he’s doing it. Donnie Nelson got a free ride for far too long and the same can’t happen with Nico. Either produce or you need to be gone.
Agree.
For sure losing your second best player for nothing it's not a contender move, beyond what happened.
I still put most of the blame for losing Brunson on Donnie. He initially gave him the contract with no option for a 5th year and he could have signed him prior to the end of the 2020 season.
arkuo wrote:So it's Dragic who didnt want to go to Dallas instead of the other way around?
KhalilS wrote:arkuo wrote:KhalilS wrote:?t=x8p0vqkMxxwtAwYrslGQcQ&s=19
Come to think of it, if Dragic analyzed it further, it may be load managing him for the playoffs where he is needed the most. What's the use of a 36 year old playing all 82 games if he's cooked by the time the first round starts. Kawhi would gladly welcome taking it easy in the RS if it gives him fresh legs for the postseason. He's 36, not 22 years old. Sometimes you need someone else to tell you to take it easy.
The last time he played 75 games was in 2017. Now he wants to play every game? Are you kidding me? Goran played 36, 59 and 50 games for 2018, 2019 and 2020. Excluding the season where he sat out almost the entire year in toronto.
The team just lost a quality starting PG, and can't make a pitch for Luka's friend to come and fill for him? I'm beginning to think what Bob said about Jason Kidd taking over and filling the team with yes-men loyal to him is true, as if Mavs don't have generational talent wanting to win and winning ego wars for the coach is more important.
arkuo wrote:Mr B wrote:41Dirk41 wrote:
Agree.
For sure losing your second best player for nothing it's not a contender move, beyond what happened.
I still put most of the blame for losing Brunson on Donnie. He initially gave him the contract with no option for a 5th year and he could have signed him prior to the end of the 2020 season.
I do not think Brunson wants to stay in Dallas in the first place. His agent is the New York Knicks GM who gave his father a coaching job. That would look really bad if he stayed in Dallas. Brunson had every intention to go to the Knicks that's why Cuban never bothered negotiating. If the other side of the table is negotiating in bad faith just to bring the price up, then dont even go to the meeting. Cuban and Nico were just having pizza and watching Luka on TV when Rick and Jalen Brunson were cooking up fake team meetings in New York. Waiting for ESPN to give him 30 mins of air time for The Decision.