Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

[UcanUwill]

France announce 17 men preliminary roster for Eurobasket 2022

PG) Thomas Heurtel / Theo Maledon / Andrew Albicy
SG) Élie Okobo / Frank Ntilikina / Isaia Cordinier
SF) Evan Fournier / Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot / William Howard / Terry Tarpey
PF) Guerschon Yabusele / Victor Wembanyama / Amath M'Baye
C) Rudy Gobert / Vincent Poirier / Moustapha Fall / Mouhammadou Jaiteh

5 men to be cut. To be honest, I know nothing about M'Baye, Tarpey, Howard and Cordinier. Maybe they are good, but I dont know, I would imagine they are probably cut. Also cut Jaiteh, Victor makes the team and plays as 7'5 Power forward on this team. Crazy.

[bravor]

Tarpey is a defensive wing (raised in the states but his father - american/french - was a pro in France and he's born there) that pays for Le Mans. I doubt he's in the final list, but he is a pretty nice role player and defender (undersized though)
M'Baye is in the Turkish league since a few years and will join anadolu Efes next season (spent last seasons with Karsikaya). He's a very solid pf, plays on both ends, even if he's not "elite".
Cordinier is a slasher, decent playmaker and good defender at the 2. The downpart being is lack of shooting, esp. from the perimeter.
Howard is a tall wing, with good 3 pt shoot but lacks consistency and handle. And a lazy/bad defender.

Fournier will play at the sg spot unless the coach decide to play small. But the last time we had Fournier at the 3 it was terrible. I hope Collet wont do this kind of experiment two years before 2024. the pairing we would expect is Okobo/Fournier, but defensively it could be costy.

We are not gonna bring 4 pg's at the eurobasket. there will be a choice between Heurtel and Maledon for the "scoring" pg and another for the defensive minded pg between Ntilikina and Albicy. But maybe Collet will bring 3 pg's.

There will be another choice to make between Poirier and jaiteh (as low post threat), i would think Poirier will be chosen as he's the better passer and can take minutes at the 4 (like we have seen during last olympics) . But since we dont really have any 4/5 in this team (not even Victor at this level), i assume Poirier is the logical choice behind Gobert.
Having Heurtel in the team would be a joke. He was critical in some campaigns, but he's lost a lot of his impact in offense while being the blackhole we know defensively.

Personnally baring injuries i think it should be something like this :
Ntilikina - Okobo - Maledon
Fournier - Cordinier
TLC - Howard or Tarpey which means a choice between offense or defense here
Yabusele - M'Baye - Victor
Gobert - Poirier

[Mickey8]

It should be an interesting Eurobasket, the all big names are going to participate, might be one of the strongest Eurobaskets in a long time.

[SecondTake]

What is the likelihood of Victor Wembanyama playing for France? It'd be great to see him play against pretty good competition.

Chance is zero. He could only damage his reputation. He is clearly the no.1 pick in next nba draft.
He has no incentive to show anything whatsoever before the draft.

He could establish himself as clear number one over emoni in the next draft by showing out

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[SecondTake]

What is the likelihood of Victor Wembanyama playing for France? It'd be great to see him play against pretty good competition.

Chance is zero. He could only damage his reputation. He is clearly the no.1 pick in next nba draft.
He has no incentive to show anything whatsoever before the draft.

He's not good enough to get significant minutes. He's currently a rotation player on an average euroleague team. France has better players than that. Him joining the team just to ride the bench would be a wasted off season for him.

So Gobert is better then Victor, why would he go number one in the draft then if Gobert didn't

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[lambchop]

Chance is zero. He could only damage his reputation. He is clearly the no.1 pick in next nba draft.
He has no incentive to show anything whatsoever before the draft.

He's not good enough to get significant minutes. He's currently a rotation player on an average euroleague team. France has better players than that. Him joining the team just to ride the bench would be a wasted off season for him.

So Gobert is better then Victor, why would he go number one in the draft then if Gobert didn't

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The draft is also about potential, not just current ability. Nikola Mirotic is probably the best non NBA player available right now and could play on any NBA team, but no one is going to make a huge effort to get him. Victor isn't near Mirotic level right now, but in a couple of years he could be insanely good.

[UcanUwill]

Chance is zero. He could only damage his reputation. He is clearly the no.1 pick in next nba draft.
He has no incentive to show anything whatsoever before the draft.

He's not good enough to get significant minutes. He's currently a rotation player on an average euroleague team. France has better players than that. Him joining the team just to ride the bench would be a wasted off season for him.

So Gobert is better then Victor, why would he go number one in the draft then if Gobert didn't

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Are you being serious? Gobert is 30 and a 10 year NBA vet, Victor is 19, how many 19 year olds in history were better than Gobert age 30?

Looking at that roster, I have a feeling Victor will make a team, as spot up minutes PF as a I said. If Collet only sees him as center however, he has no shot, cause Gobert, Poirier and Fall are simply better players right now.

[lt175]

You should see Gobert at 18. Wembanyama is so much better at 18. Gobert at 18 didn´t even play for Cholet pro team. He was with the U21. Wembanyama already had an impact in Euroleague and Pro A. Rudy Gobert is a late bloomer anyway so it´s difficult to compare the two.
As for the Eurobasket, if it´s a fair competition, there´s a high chance Wembanyama is in the squad as a 4. It will probably be Amath M´Baye or him. He´s not listed as center.

[UcanUwill]

Serbia's 22 men prelimary list looks scary :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić / Ognjen Jaramaz / Vanja Marinković / Aleksa Avramović
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić / Ognjen Dobrić / Dejan Davidovac / Nikola Jović
PF. Nemanja Bjelica / Alen Smailagic / Aleksej Pokuševski / Filip Petrusev / Marko Jagodić-Kuridža / Boriša Simanić
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov / Balša Koprivica / Dušan Ristić

I imagine these 9 are locks :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić
PF. Nemanja Bjelica
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov

that leaves 3 more spots. Smailagic, Pokuševski, Petrusev will probably battle out for that final bigman spot. Jaramaz probably makes it as a real Guduriić backup. Maybe Joviić has a shot, but I am not sure.

[Ruma85]

[quote="UcanUwill"]Serbia's 22 men prelimary list looks scary :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić / Ognjen Jaramaz / Vanja Marinković / Aleksa Avramović
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić / Ognjen Dobrić / Dejan Davidovac / Nikola Jović
PF. Nemanja Bjelica / Alen Smailagic / Aleksej Pokuševski / Filip Petrusev / Marko Jagodić-Kuridža / Boriša Simanić
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov / Balša Koprivica / Dušan Ristić

I imagine these 9 are locks :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić
PF. Nemanja Bjelica
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov

that leaves 3 more spots. Smailagic, Pokuševski, Petrusev will probably battle out for that final bigman spot. Jaramaz probably makes it as a real Guduriić backup. Maybe Joviić has a shot, but I am not sure.[/quot


Scary we are.

[SpreeS]

Is it possible that Schroder/Wagner/Kleber/Theis will show up for Germany NT?

[CharityStripe34]

It should be an interesting Eurobasket, the all big names are going to participate, might be one of the strongest Eurobaskets in a long time.

I think it's going to be a really fun tournament as some of the big-time superstars (Gianni, Jokic, Luka) are participating as are a lot of good players. Can't wait to see it.

[Ruma85]

Is it possible that Schroder/Wagner/Kleber/Theis will show up for Germany NT?

It's possible.

[SpreeS]

Is it possible that Schroder/Wagner/Kleber/Theis will show up for Germany NT?

It's possible.

In this case German NT could be 5th best team in this tournament.

[Lockdown504090]

Serbia's 22 men prelimary list looks scary :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić / Ognjen Jaramaz / Vanja Marinković / Aleksa Avramović
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić / Ognjen Dobrić / Dejan Davidovac / Nikola Jović
PF. Nemanja Bjelica / Alen Smailagic / Aleksej Pokuševski / Filip Petrusev / Marko Jagodić-Kuridža / Boriša Simanić
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov / Balša Koprivica / Dušan Ristić

I imagine these 9 are locks :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić
PF. Nemanja Bjelica
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov

that leaves 3 more spots. Smailagic, Pokuševski, Petrusev will probably battle out for that final bigman spot. Jaramaz probably makes it as a real Guduriić backup. Maybe Joviić has a shot, but I am not sure.

hmm isnt pg wife a serb? IDK how that works but I might consider them the best team in the world if they could roll out

Micic
Bogdan
PG
Lucic or bjelica
Jokic

That would legit be one of the best non-usa teams of all time.

[Ruma85]

Serbia's 22 men prelimary list looks scary :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić / Ognjen Jaramaz / Vanja Marinković / Aleksa Avramović
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić / Ognjen Dobrić / Dejan Davidovac / Nikola Jović
PF. Nemanja Bjelica / Alen Smailagic / Aleksej Pokuševski / Filip Petrusev / Marko Jagodić-Kuridža / Boriša Simanić
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov / Balša Koprivica / Dušan Ristić

I imagine these 9 are locks :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić
PF. Nemanja Bjelica
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov

that leaves 3 more spots. Smailagic, Pokuševski, Petrusev will probably battle out for that final bigman spot. Jaramaz probably makes it as a real Guduriić backup. Maybe Joviić has a shot, but I am not sure.

hmm isnt pg wife a serb? IDK how that works but I might consider them the best team in the world if they could roll out

Micic
Bogdan
PG
Lucic or bjelica
Jokic

That would legit be one of the best non-usa teams of all time.

she is but pg is not playing for serbia haha

[UcanUwill]

I know its not entirely serious take, but PG I assume is Paul George, and he already played for USA, so he would be ineligible. Also, Serbia is like the last country in the world that stands strongly agains BS naturalization and believe that these tournaments must be won with domestic talent, you know, like how it was intended.

[mixerball]

Serbia's 22 men prelimary list looks scary :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić / Ognjen Jaramaz / Vanja Marinković / Aleksa Avramović
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić / Ognjen Dobrić / Dejan Davidovac / Nikola Jović
PF. Nemanja Bjelica / Alen Smailagic / Aleksej Pokuševski / Filip Petrusev / Marko Jagodić-Kuridža / Boriša Simanić
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov / Balša Koprivica / Dušan Ristić

I imagine these 9 are locks :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić
PF. Nemanja Bjelica
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov

that leaves 3 more spots. Smailagic, Pokuševski, Petrusev will probably battle out for that final bigman spot. Jaramaz probably makes it as a real Guduriić backup. Maybe Joviić has a shot, but I am not sure.

hmm isnt pg wife a serb? IDK how that works but I might consider them the best team in the world if they could roll out

Micic
Bogdan
PG
Lucic or bjelica
Jokic

That would legit be one of the best non-usa teams of all time.

the reality is, they(serbia) wouldnt want him

[Lockdown504090]

Serbia's 22 men prelimary list looks scary :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić / Ognjen Jaramaz / Vanja Marinković / Aleksa Avramović
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić / Ognjen Dobrić / Dejan Davidovac / Nikola Jović
PF. Nemanja Bjelica / Alen Smailagic / Aleksej Pokuševski / Filip Petrusev / Marko Jagodić-Kuridža / Boriša Simanić
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov / Balša Koprivica / Dušan Ristić

I imagine these 9 are locks :

PG. Vasilije Micić / Miloš Teodosić / Nemanja Nedović
SG. Marko Gudurić
SF. Vladimir Lučić / Nikola Kalinić
PF. Nemanja Bjelica
C. Nikola Jokić / Nikola Milutinov

that leaves 3 more spots. Smailagic, Pokuševski, Petrusev will probably battle out for that final bigman spot. Jaramaz probably makes it as a real Guduriić backup. Maybe Joviić has a shot, but I am not sure.

hmm isnt pg wife a serb? IDK how that works but I might consider them the best team in the world if they could roll out

Micic
Bogdan
PG
Lucic or bjelica
Jokic

That would legit be one of the best non-usa teams of all time.

the reality is, they(serbia) wouldnt want him

because he doesnt speak the language? or they just dont like winning? that sounds like a pretty hot take, I dont really see Serbia as some exclusive club.

[Mickey8]

I know its not entirely serious take, but PG I assume is Paul George, and he already played for USA, so he would be ineligible. Also, Serbia is like the last country in the world that stands strongly agains BS naturalization and believe that these tournaments must be won with domestic talent, you know, like how it was intended.

We did naturalize two american women , but men's basketball will never have naturalized player, too much of pride and the tradition.