Offseason Targets

[Bob8]

Come to think of it, if Dragic analyzed it further, it may be load managing him for the playoffs where he is needed the most. What's the use of a 36 year old playing all 82 games if he's cooked by the time the first round starts. Kawhi would gladly welcome taking it easy in the RS if it gives him fresh legs for the postseason. He's 36, not 22 years old. Sometimes you need someone else to tell you to take it easy.

The last time he played 75 games was in 2017. Now he wants to play every game? Are you kidding me? Goran played 36, 59 and 50 games for 2018, 2019 and 2020. Excluding the season where he sat out almost the entire year in toronto.

The team just lost a quality starting PG, and can't make a pitch for Luka's friend to come and fill for him? I'm beginning to think what Bob said about Jason Kidd taking over and filling the team with yes-men loyal to him is true, as if Mavs don't have generational talent wanting to win and winning ego wars for the coach is more important.

You might have read that tweet wrong. The Mavs DID make him an offer and he turned it down.

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

[arkuo]

The team just lost a quality starting PG, and can't make a pitch for Luka's friend to come and fill for him? I'm beginning to think what Bob said about Jason Kidd taking over and filling the team with yes-men loyal to him is true, as if Mavs don't have generational talent wanting to win and winning ego wars for the coach is more important.

You might have read that tweet wrong. The Mavs DID make him an offer and he turned it down.

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

He cant play all 82 games. Last time that happened was in 2017. What Goran was asking is what his heart wants. What his body is telling him is to calm the F down, we're only good for 30 games a year, Goran.

[Mr B]

The team just lost a quality starting PG, and can't make a pitch for Luka's friend to come and fill for him? I'm beginning to think what Bob said about Jason Kidd taking over and filling the team with yes-men loyal to him is true, as if Mavs don't have generational talent wanting to win and winning ego wars for the coach is more important.

You might have read that tweet wrong. The Mavs DID make him an offer and he turned it down.

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

[Mavrelous]

You might have read that tweet wrong. The Mavs DID make him an offer and he turned it down.

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

They promised a career backup journeyman starting role, they couldn't promise European champion and NBA finalist 20 MPG after they lost their starting PG? And we're moving on, I hope I'm wrong and thid won't blow up.

[Bob8]

You might have read that tweet wrong. The Mavs DID make him an offer and he turned it down.

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

Why would a player like Dragic sign vet min and sit on the bench? Because he desperately needs 1.5 mio? He returned in Slovenian NT because he still believes and wants to play.

Mavs have lost the only Pg besides Luka, Pg position is desperately empty.

"We talked, Dallas offered me a contract. But I didn't decide to do that, because they imagined that I would play one game, then I wouldn't play five games. I don't want that," Dragić revealed and continued: "I don't know why they wanted that. You should ask them that (laughs). I wasn't ready to accept something like that, because I think I can still easily play twenty minutes a game. Chicago is a completely different option, they really need me and want me to play. I don't think I'm ready to retire just to sit on the bench and encourage my teammates."

It looks to me that cheerleading is a big thing in Dallas.

[Mr B]

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

They promised a career backup journeyman starting role, they couldn't promise European champion and NBA finalist 20 MPG after they lost their starting PG? And we're moving on, I hope I'm wrong and thid won't blow up.

Did you see this team play last year? Where is their biggest weakness?

[Mr B]

An offer they knew he will turn down. He said numerous times that has still 2 good years in him and he wants to play and not sit on the bench.

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

Why would a player like Dragic sign vet min and sit on the bench? Because he desperately needs 1.5 mio? He returned in Slovenian NT because he still believes and wants to play.

Mavs have lost the only Pg besides Luka, Pg position is desperately empty.

"We talked, Dallas offered me a contract. But I didn't decide to do that, because they imagined that I would play one game, then I wouldn't play five games. I don't want that," Dragić revealed and continued: "I don't know why they wanted that. You should ask them that (laughs). I wasn't ready to accept something like that, because I think I can still easily play twenty minutes a game. Chicago is a completely different option, they really need me and want me to play. I don't think I'm ready to retire just to sit on the bench and encourage my teammates."

It looks to me that cheerleading is a big thing in Dallas.

I just think it’s dumb to think that losing Brunson is going to derail this team. I also think it’s even more dumb to think that losing out on Dragic is going to derail the team.

[Maverick41]

My 2 main takeaways from the Dragic fiasco:

1) For Chicago, even if you factor Lonzo missing some time, they still have Caruso, White, Lavine, Ayo & Dalen Terry. Where is that 20+mpg gonna come from? He's just not better then anyone above except their rookie Terry. They would need to trade 1 or even 2 (especially when Lonzo comes back) to somehow make that room to play him those minutes. I would really look into a Green for White type swap if possible.

2) What in the world kind of negotiating is that by Nico and the Mavs? If I'm Dragic and I heard a pitch that said I would play a game and then sit out 5, I would hang up the phone or flick the FO off for that blatant disrespect.

Look, it's not the end of the world that we lost Brunson or didn't sign Dragic. But this kind of news does not help me breathe some confidence in the FO.

[SOUNDCHASER]

Even if they were going in a different direction the Mavs would never be so disrespectful to a friend of Lukas that would be cause for termination. I am starting to think Cuban needs to find another smartest guy in the room or else the whole story is bogus to begin with.

[HMFFL]

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

Why would a player like Dragic sign vet min and sit on the bench? Because he desperately needs 1.5 mio? He returned in Slovenian NT because he still believes and wants to play.

Mavs have lost the only Pg besides Luka, Pg position is desperately empty.

"We talked, Dallas offered me a contract. But I didn't decide to do that, because they imagined that I would play one game, then I wouldn't play five games. I don't want that," Dragić revealed and continued: "I don't know why they wanted that. You should ask them that (laughs). I wasn't ready to accept something like that, because I think I can still easily play twenty minutes a game. Chicago is a completely different option, they really need me and want me to play. I don't think I'm ready to retire just to sit on the bench and encourage my teammates."

It looks to me that cheerleading is a big thing in Dallas.

I just think it’s dumb to think that losing Brunson is going to derail this team. I also think it’s even more dumb to think that losing out on Dragic is going to derail the team.

Unlike our starting rotation more without Brunson. The upgrades have been settle and not receiving a return for Brunson wasn't ideal, but we will be a solid group.

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[41Dirk41]

Yes but waste assets is always a shame.

[Bob8]

How did they know he would turn it down? First it would be stupid to put any guarantees in anyones contract when it comes to playing time. They made a fair offer and he turned it down. Time to move on.

Why would a player like Dragic sign vet min and sit on the bench? Because he desperately needs 1.5 mio? He returned in Slovenian NT because he still believes and wants to play.

Mavs have lost the only Pg besides Luka, Pg position is desperately empty.

"We talked, Dallas offered me a contract. But I didn't decide to do that, because they imagined that I would play one game, then I wouldn't play five games. I don't want that," Dragić revealed and continued: "I don't know why they wanted that. You should ask them that (laughs). I wasn't ready to accept something like that, because I think I can still easily play twenty minutes a game. Chicago is a completely different option, they really need me and want me to play. I don't think I'm ready to retire just to sit on the bench and encourage my teammates."

It looks to me that cheerleading is a big thing in Dallas.

I just think it’s dumb to think that losing Brunson is going to derail this team. I also think it’s even more dumb to think that losing out on Dragic is going to derail the team.

I have never said not signing Dragic is crucial. But getting player like Dragic for vet minimum, after losing Brunson, would be great. It's very doubtful that Dinwiddie can play Pg position effectively. And then what happens in all those games that Luka or Dinwiddie aren't playing? Luka is missing 15+ games constantly and Dinwiddie isn't iron man either. We're paying 20 mio, and promising him starting role, for old McGee. And 2.9 mio and 20 minutes are too much for Dragic?

It's really difficult to understand logic how not signing second best player in his prime isn't crucial? Not only as a player for next season but as asset too. Brunson was crucial in December, when Luka wasn't playing good. He was essential in games Luka didn't play. He was essential in playoffs. And he would be essential asset in a trade.

Basketball is not math, where you can replace Brunson's 16 points with 16 points from Wood. But even if you mathematically compare last year's beginning of the season and this. You have 36 points missing from Brunson and KP, which have to be replaced by Wood and Dinwiddie. KP trade was good, because it enabled Mavs to play with multiple creators. That's gone now. Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie.

[Bob8]

Why would a player like Dragic sign vet min and sit on the bench? Because he desperately needs 1.5 mio? He returned in Slovenian NT because he still believes and wants to play.

Mavs have lost the only Pg besides Luka, Pg position is desperately empty.

"We talked, Dallas offered me a contract. But I didn't decide to do that, because they imagined that I would play one game, then I wouldn't play five games. I don't want that," Dragić revealed and continued: "I don't know why they wanted that. You should ask them that (laughs). I wasn't ready to accept something like that, because I think I can still easily play twenty minutes a game. Chicago is a completely different option, they really need me and want me to play. I don't think I'm ready to retire just to sit on the bench and encourage my teammates."

It looks to me that cheerleading is a big thing in Dallas.

I just think it’s dumb to think that losing Brunson is going to derail this team. I also think it’s even more dumb to think that losing out on Dragic is going to derail the team.

Unlike our starting rotation more without Brunson. The upgrades have been settle and not receiving a return for Brunson wasn't ideal, but we will be a solid group.

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Many teams improved, many teams are getting crucial players back, many teams are young with many assets, being solid, over the cap group is not enough.

[Maverick41]

I have never said not signing Dragic is crucial. But getting player like Dragic for vet minimum, after losing Brunson, would be great. It's very doubtful that Dinwiddie can play Pg position effectively. And then what happens in all those games that Luka or Dinwiddie aren't playing? Luka is missing 15+ games constantly and Dinwiddie isn't iron man either. We're paying 20 mio, and promising him starting role, for old McGee. And 2.9 mio and 20 minutes are too much for Dragic?

It's really difficult to understand logic how not signing second best player in his prime isn't crucial? Not only as a player for next season but as asset too. Brunson was crucial in December, when Luka wasn't playing good. He was essential in games Luka didn't play. He was essential in playoffs. And he would be essential asset in a trade.

Basketball is not math, where you can replace Brunson's 16 points with 16 points from Wood. But even if you mathematically compare last year's beginning of the season and this. You have 36 points missing from Brunson and KP, which have to be replaced by Wood and Dinwiddie. KP trade was good, because it enabled Mavs to play with multiple creators. That's gone now. Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie.

Agree with every word.

[arkuo]

Why would a player like Dragic sign vet min and sit on the bench? Because he desperately needs 1.5 mio? He returned in Slovenian NT because he still believes and wants to play.

Mavs have lost the only Pg besides Luka, Pg position is desperately empty.

"We talked, Dallas offered me a contract. But I didn't decide to do that, because they imagined that I would play one game, then I wouldn't play five games. I don't want that," Dragić revealed and continued: "I don't know why they wanted that. You should ask them that (laughs). I wasn't ready to accept something like that, because I think I can still easily play twenty minutes a game. Chicago is a completely different option, they really need me and want me to play. I don't think I'm ready to retire just to sit on the bench and encourage my teammates."

It looks to me that cheerleading is a big thing in Dallas.

I just think it’s dumb to think that losing Brunson is going to derail this team. I also think it’s even more dumb to think that losing out on Dragic is going to derail the team.

I have never said not signing Dragic is crucial. But getting player like Dragic for vet minimum, after losing Brunson, would be great. It's very doubtful that Dinwiddie can play Pg position effectively. And then what happens in all those games that Luka or Dinwiddie aren't playing? Luka is missing 15+ games constantly and Dinwiddie isn't iron man either. We're paying 20 mio, and promising him starting role, for old McGee. And 2.9 mio and 20 minutes are too much for Dragic?

It's really difficult to understand logic how not signing second best player in his prime isn't crucial? Not only as a player for next season but as asset too. Brunson was crucial in December, when Luka wasn't playing good. He was essential in games Luka didn't play. He was essential in playoffs. And he would be essential asset in a trade.

Basketball is not math, where you can replace Brunson's 16 points with 16 points from Wood. But even if you mathematically compare last year's beginning of the season and this. You have 36 points missing from Brunson and KP, which have to be replaced by Wood and Dinwiddie. KP trade was good, because it enabled Mavs to play with multiple creators. That's gone now. Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie.

I'd have to disagree. Basketball is a lot of math and that's why analytics exists. Brunson is worth 16 pts on the offensive side and you have to add the extra 30 he gives up on the other end.

And i have to disagree with Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie because you have to quantify it with Brunson at 27M for the next 4 years and KP at $31M for the next 3 years is and will not be better than Dinwiddie at 18M which expires in 2024 and Wood at another 18M which expires next summer. Both can be flipped and combined with talent for future trades as running a basketball team does not end in one summer, hence we cant judge it at face value. Brunson at 100M and KP at a full max, you will have a harder time moving. Considering those two guys will have Rick Brunson and Janis Porzingis attached to them wherever they go.

[Bob8]

I just think it’s dumb to think that losing Brunson is going to derail this team. I also think it’s even more dumb to think that losing out on Dragic is going to derail the team.

I have never said not signing Dragic is crucial. But getting player like Dragic for vet minimum, after losing Brunson, would be great. It's very doubtful that Dinwiddie can play Pg position effectively. And then what happens in all those games that Luka or Dinwiddie aren't playing? Luka is missing 15+ games constantly and Dinwiddie isn't iron man either. We're paying 20 mio, and promising him starting role, for old McGee. And 2.9 mio and 20 minutes are too much for Dragic?

It's really difficult to understand logic how not signing second best player in his prime isn't crucial? Not only as a player for next season but as asset too. Brunson was crucial in December, when Luka wasn't playing good. He was essential in games Luka didn't play. He was essential in playoffs. And he would be essential asset in a trade.

Basketball is not math, where you can replace Brunson's 16 points with 16 points from Wood. But even if you mathematically compare last year's beginning of the season and this. You have 36 points missing from Brunson and KP, which have to be replaced by Wood and Dinwiddie. KP trade was good, because it enabled Mavs to play with multiple creators. That's gone now. Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie.

I'd have to disagree. Basketball is a lot of math and that's why analytics exists. Brunson is worth 16 pts on the offensive side and you have to add the extra 30 he gives up on the other end.

And i have to disagree with Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie because you have to quantify it with Brunson at 27M for the next 4 years and KP at $31M for the next 3 years is and will not be better than Dinwiddie at 18M which expires in 2024 and Wood at another 18M which expires next summer. Both can be flipped and combined with talent for future trades as running a basketball team does not end in one summer, hence we cant judge it at face value. Brunson at 100M and KP at a full max, you will have a harder time moving. Considering those two guys will have Rick Brunson and Janis Porzingis attached to them wherever they go.

Tell me how would have 16 points of Wood helped Mavs in last December. How would have 16 points of Wood helped in games Luka didn't play? How would have 16 points of Wood helped in first 3 games of Jazz series?

I was 1 of the few who liked KP trade, because I believed Dinwiddie and Bertans can help Mavs more. Looking at roster's construction Kidd has no intention to do much with Bertans, so he's basically dead weight now. Dinwiddie without Brunson has less value, because he will be now asked to do too much, I can't see him being efficient in this bigger role.

Wood price is known, late first. And Dinwiddie is become unmovable, because Mavs haven't ball handlers.

If Gobert's 170 mio contract was moved for a lot, than Brunson's 100 mio could be moved too.

[Mavrelous]

My only hope is that the roster construction is so glaringly bad, it can't be it, there must be a deal for a PG in the works, either that or I watched a totally different team than the FO last 3 years.

[arkuo]

I have never said not signing Dragic is crucial. But getting player like Dragic for vet minimum, after losing Brunson, would be great. It's very doubtful that Dinwiddie can play Pg position effectively. And then what happens in all those games that Luka or Dinwiddie aren't playing? Luka is missing 15+ games constantly and Dinwiddie isn't iron man either. We're paying 20 mio, and promising him starting role, for old McGee. And 2.9 mio and 20 minutes are too much for Dragic?

It's really difficult to understand logic how not signing second best player in his prime isn't crucial? Not only as a player for next season but as asset too. Brunson was crucial in December, when Luka wasn't playing good. He was essential in games Luka didn't play. He was essential in playoffs. And he would be essential asset in a trade.

Basketball is not math, where you can replace Brunson's 16 points with 16 points from Wood. But even if you mathematically compare last year's beginning of the season and this. You have 36 points missing from Brunson and KP, which have to be replaced by Wood and Dinwiddie. KP trade was good, because it enabled Mavs to play with multiple creators. That's gone now. Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie.

I'd have to disagree. Basketball is a lot of math and that's why analytics exists. Brunson is worth 16 pts on the offensive side and you have to add the extra 30 he gives up on the other end.

And i have to disagree with Brunson, KP > Wood, Dinwiddie because you have to quantify it with Brunson at 27M for the next 4 years and KP at $31M for the next 3 years is and will not be better than Dinwiddie at 18M which expires in 2024 and Wood at another 18M which expires next summer. Both can be flipped and combined with talent for future trades as running a basketball team does not end in one summer, hence we cant judge it at face value. Brunson at 100M and KP at a full max, you will have a harder time moving. Considering those two guys will have Rick Brunson and Janis Porzingis attached to them wherever they go.

Tell me how would have 16 points of Wood helped Mavs in last December. How would have 16 points of Wood helped in games Luka didn't play? How would have 16 points of Wood helped in first 3 games of Jazz series?

I was 1 of the few who liked KP trade, because I believed Dinwiddie and Bertans can help Mavs more. Looking at roster's construction Kidd has no intention to do much with Bertans, so he's basically dead weight now. Dinwiddie without Brunson has less value, because he will be now asked to do too much, I can't see him being efficient in this bigger role.

Wood price is known, late first. And Dinwiddie is become unmovable, because Mavs haven't ball handlers.

If Gobert's 170 mio contract was moved for a lot, than Brunson's 100 mio could be moved too.

Nico said in his interview that Luka is very much involved and consulted in every offseason move they make. So if Luka checked off on it, and the fans are the ones panicking that the earth is falling, then I'll go with Luka. He seems to be fine while the fans are pulling their hair for not getting Dragic. Relax. Mavs will be fine. Fans are just overanalayzing things they have no control of. At the end of the day, it's Kidd and Nico holding the cards. We're just here for the ride.

[arkuo]

My only hope is that the roster construction is so glaringly bad, it can't be it, there must be a deal for a PG in the works, either that or I watched a totally different team than the FO last 3 years.

Kidd seems to be experimenting with distributing the scoring more. You're losing Brunson and KP, then adding Dinwiddie, Wood, Mcgee, THJ and Bertans. Im confident those guys can cover for the deficit left behind. But we'll see if the gamble pays off. Cant give Wood or Mcgee back anymore. They gotta run with it now.

[Mavrelous]

My only hope is that the roster construction is so glaringly bad, it can't be it, there must be a deal for a PG in the works, either that or I watched a totally different team than the FO last 3 years.

Kidd seems to be experimenting with distributing the scoring more. You're losing Brunson and KP, then adding Dinwiddie, Wood, Mcgee, THJ and Bertans. Im confident those guys can cover for the deficit left behind. But we'll see if the gamble pays off. Cant give Wood or Mcgee back anymore. They gotta run with it now.

Compare the team re and post KP trade, before the trade KP took scoring load by receiving the ball in the high post, it was ugly, in effective and the players didn't know what to do.
Go back to the Clippers series and see how RC played 5 out almost exclusively except for the twin towers minutes.
This team is a bunch of excellent role players (DFS, Bullock, Maxi) and perimeter creators, the adventure at the beginning of last season was a failure.