Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[76ciology]

The reason why Celts went for Brogdon is because Playoffs, well based from what I saw and from the recent finals, is all about your alpha scorer attacking a mismatch, collapsing the defense and kicking it out

During the finals, Warriors found a way to limit mismatches on Tatum. Which lead Wiggins and his defense to shine against Tatum.

Brogdon is there to run a two man game with Tatum, where Tatum would attack the mismatch if the defense would switch.

This is also applicable with the Clips with Wall and those star wings they have

If Maxey guards Brogdon. Celts would run a two man game with Tatum and Brogdon. Force Sixers to switch Maxey to Tatum and Tatum would attack the mismatch.

In order to counter this Maxey has to take a leap with his shot creating, counter and playmaking. His quickness with the ball should be able to pose a threat and create mismatches. Everyone else including Embiid can be defended straight up by the Celtics. Meanwhile Harden and Maxey will be targets on the other end of the floor.

You mean beating offense with better offense?

Im taking Tatum creating on offense being defended by Maxey over Maxey creating on offense being defended by Brogdon.

It’s already a W for a defense if you are letting your 3rd option create on offense, specially with a Tatum vs Maxey on the other end.

You’ll win the points per possession exchange in large sample size

[76ciology]

I think Wiz owners’ just want to make money and not win the championship.

Their blueprint is to just pay a star lead guard, where by doing that they can funnel all the money to the position that moves the needle and is most marketable. They did it from Gilbert Arenas to John Wall to Bradley Beal

Bradley Beal’s agent is also quite good. He did all the flirting with the Heat (and possible sixers) as leverage to get his guard the contract he wants

[phillynative]

The reason why Celts went for Brogdon is because Playoffs, well based from what I saw and from the recent finals, is all about your alpha scorer attacking a mismatch, collapsing the defense and kicking it out

During the finals, Warriors found a way to limit mismatches on Tatum. Which lead Wiggins and his defense to shine against Tatum.

Brogdon is there to run a two man game with Tatum, where Tatum would attack the mismatch if the defense would switch.

This is also applicable with the Clips with Wall and those star wings they have

If Maxey guards Brogdon. Celts would run a two man game with Tatum and Brogdon. Force Sixers to switch Maxey to Tatum and Tatum would attack the mismatch.

In order to counter this Maxey has to take a leap with his shot creating, counter and playmaking. His quickness with the ball should be able to pose a threat and create mismatches. Everyone else including Embiid can be defended straight up by the Celtics. Meanwhile Harden and Maxey will be targets on the other end of the floor.

You mean beating offense with better offense?

Im taking Tatum creating on offense being defended by Maxey over Maxey creating on offense being defended by Brogdon.

It’s already a W for a defense if you are letting your 3rd option create on offense, specially with a Tatum vs Maxey on the other end.

You’ll win the points per possession exchange in large sample size

Isnt that the hope though that Maxey takes the next step to be the 2nd option. I think Harden is content on being the facilitator first/scorer 2nd.

Celtics will still want to get the ball out of Embiids hands , Celtics size and switchability can limit Harden that leaves Maxey and Tobias , so basically Maxey being able to take what the defense gives him rather its the 3, floater, or pull up while also being able to create if all options are cut takes this team to another level.

Defensively the Celtics still have the edge but the Sixers are better there with the additions. Offensively the Sixers will have to be better than the Celtics. Harden will have to be better, Embiid will have to be a better playmaker & decision maker, Tobias will have to be a willing a shooter, The bench needs a consistent scorer.

If the sixers can replicate some of what the heat did last season when Tyler Herro was on the floor it can negate some of the defensive weaknesses.

[76ciology]

In order to counter this Maxey has to take a leap with his shot creating, counter and playmaking. His quickness with the ball should be able to pose a threat and create mismatches. Everyone else including Embiid can be defended straight up by the Celtics. Meanwhile Harden and Maxey will be targets on the other end of the floor.

You mean beating offense with better offense?

Im taking Tatum creating on offense being defended by Maxey over Maxey creating on offense being defended by Brogdon.

It’s already a W for a defense if you are letting your 3rd option create on offense, specially with a Tatum vs Maxey on the other end.

You’ll win the points per possession exchange in large sample size

Isnt that the hope though that Maxey takes the next step to be the 2nd option. I think Harden is content on being the facilitator first/scorer 2nd.

Celtics will still want to get the ball out of Embiids hands , Celtics size and switchability can limit Harden that leaves Maxey and Tobias , so basically Maxey being able to take what the defense gives him rather its the 3, floater, or pull up while also being able to create if all options are cut takes this team to another level.

Defensively the Celtics still have the edge but the Sixers are better there with the additions. Offensively the Sixers will have to be better than the Celtics. Harden will have to be better, Embiid will have to be a better playmaker & decision maker, Tobias will have to be a willing a shooter, The bench needs a consistent scorer.

If the sixers can replicate some of what the heat did last season when Tyler Herro was on the floor it can negate some of the defensive weaknesses.

The hope is Harden improve his health and conditioning.

In the playoffs where Harden was out of shape, Harden was just as good as Giannis (.86ppp) on ISO and was better than Tatum(.75ppp).

If we need a bucket, I’d rely on Harden and Embiid. Maxey or Tobi are only pressure release valves just in case defense run a scheme to force Harden and Embiid to cough the ball out, where Maxey or Tobi can punish a weak defense with most of it gravitating towards Harden and Embiid.

If Maxey can improve on ISO as Luka Doncic or Steph Curry, well yes, I’d put the ball in his hands. But realistically it would be relied on Harden and Embiid.

[phillynative]

You mean beating offense with better offense?

Im taking Tatum creating on offense being defended by Maxey over Maxey creating on offense being defended by Brogdon.

It’s already a W for a defense if you are letting your 3rd option create on offense, specially with a Tatum vs Maxey on the other end.

You’ll win the points per possession exchange in large sample size

Isnt that the hope though that Maxey takes the next step to be the 2nd option. I think Harden is content on being the facilitator first/scorer 2nd.

Celtics will still want to get the ball out of Embiids hands , Celtics size and switchability can limit Harden that leaves Maxey and Tobias , so basically Maxey being able to take what the defense gives him rather its the 3, floater, or pull up while also being able to create if all options are cut takes this team to another level.

Defensively the Celtics still have the edge but the Sixers are better there with the additions. Offensively the Sixers will have to be better than the Celtics. Harden will have to be better, Embiid will have to be a better playmaker & decision maker, Tobias will have to be a willing a shooter, The bench needs a consistent scorer.

If the sixers can replicate some of what the heat did last season when Tyler Herro was on the floor it can negate some of the defensive weaknesses.

The hope is Harden improve his health and conditioning.

In the playoffs where Harden was out of shape, Harden was just as good as Giannis (.86ppp) on ISO and was better than Tatum(.75ppp).

If we need a bucket, I’d rely on Harden and Embiid. Maxey or Tobi are only pressure release valves just in case defense run a scheme to force Harden and Embiid to cough the ball out, where Maxey or Tobi can punish a weak defense with most of it gravitating towards Harden and Embiid.

If Maxey can improve on ISO as Luka Doncic or Steph Curry, well yes, I’d put the ball in his hands. But realistically it would be relied on Harden and Embiid.

That could pretty much be in the past as hes on a decline. If its just a matter of conditioning and injury and we see a rejuvenated Harden than great , if not than Maxey with added game will have to take the reigns as the #2.

[Sixerscan]

Isnt that the hope though that Maxey takes the next step to be the 2nd option. I think Harden is content on being the facilitator first/scorer 2nd.

Celtics will still want to get the ball out of Embiids hands , Celtics size and switchability can limit Harden that leaves Maxey and Tobias , so basically Maxey being able to take what the defense gives him rather its the 3, floater, or pull up while also being able to create if all options are cut takes this team to another level.

Defensively the Celtics still have the edge but the Sixers are better there with the additions. Offensively the Sixers will have to be better than the Celtics. Harden will have to be better, Embiid will have to be a better playmaker & decision maker, Tobias will have to be a willing a shooter, The bench needs a consistent scorer.

If the sixers can replicate some of what the heat did last season when Tyler Herro was on the floor it can negate some of the defensive weaknesses.

The hope is Harden improve his health and conditioning.

In the playoffs where Harden was out of shape, Harden was just as good as Giannis (.86ppp) on ISO and was better than Tatum(.75ppp).

If we need a bucket, I’d rely on Harden and Embiid. Maxey or Tobi are only pressure release valves just in case defense run a scheme to force Harden and Embiid to cough the ball out, where Maxey or Tobi can punish a weak defense with most of it gravitating towards Harden and Embiid.

If Maxey can improve on ISO as Luka Doncic or Steph Curry, well yes, I’d put the ball in his hands. But realistically it would be relied on Harden and Embiid.

That could pretty much be in the past as hes on a decline. If its just a matter of conditioning and injury and we see a rejuvenated Harden than great , if not than Maxey with added game will have to take the reigns as the #2.

Fwiw Harden losing a step in isolations is still leading the league in isolations per game and scoring on them at an 85th+ percentile efficiency https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=POSS&dir=1

He’s just not the complete freak he used to be more than tripling everyone in isos per game at 90th+ efficiency https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=POSS&dir=1&SeasonYear=2018-19

[76ciology]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

[76ciology]

A lot of international bigs in leagues outside NBA, tries to play like Jokic. Space the floor and facilitating from the high post. I can see this becoming a trend.

Not that easy. We saw Drummond trying to be Magic Johnson with us last season

[phillynative]

The hope is Harden improve his health and conditioning.

In the playoffs where Harden was out of shape, Harden was just as good as Giannis (.86ppp) on ISO and was better than Tatum(.75ppp).

If we need a bucket, I’d rely on Harden and Embiid. Maxey or Tobi are only pressure release valves just in case defense run a scheme to force Harden and Embiid to cough the ball out, where Maxey or Tobi can punish a weak defense with most of it gravitating towards Harden and Embiid.

If Maxey can improve on ISO as Luka Doncic or Steph Curry, well yes, I’d put the ball in his hands. But realistically it would be relied on Harden and Embiid.

That could pretty much be in the past as hes on a decline. If its just a matter of conditioning and injury and we see a rejuvenated Harden than great , if not than Maxey with added game will have to take the reigns as the #2.

Fwiw Harden losing a step in isolations is still leading the league in isolations per game and scoring on them at an 85th+ percentile efficiency https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=POSS&dir=1

He’s just not the complete freak he used to be more than tripling everyone in isos per game at 90th+ efficiency https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=POSS&dir=1&SeasonYear=2018-19

Well yes that his game , isolation king but him dominanting the ball isolating for half the possesion becomes less efficient in the playoffs . Now that hes lost a step it becomes even less efficient and leads to lost possesions. He had trouble getting by players and his step back has becomes easier to game plan for. Hes going to have to take more catch and shoot shots , less foul baiting (you can say the same with Embiid )with the ball swinging back his way in order for the teams offense to go to the next level. By going to the next level I mean being ungame plannable. With 4 players that can drop 20 pts and 2 that can collapse the defense frequently , this team should be elite offensively . With Harden still being an elite facilitator that can give you 20 pts the hope is that Maxey can elevate his game to being a go 2 guy and not just a supplemental offensive player like Tobias.
My hope is next season we will have 4 guys that can score efficiently from anywhere on the floor. That means Tobias being a willing 3 pt shooter with less back downs, more pullups or dish. Embiid swinging the ball more, less holding on to the ball and more willing pick and pop. Harden being a more willing catch and shoot, not having to dribble the air out the ball before he makes a move, less foul baiting. Maxey being even more aggressive and adding to his bag so that hes able to get to his shot without assistance when needed. Im sure teams would be more afraid of that offense in the playoffs than Embiid and Harden dominanting ball which most good teams can adequately gameplan for in the playoffs.

[GoSixersBro]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

How many firsts we talking? Surprised NOP wouldn't take this deal.

[76ciology]

That could pretty much be in the past as hes on a decline. If its just a matter of conditioning and injury and we see a rejuvenated Harden than great , if not than Maxey with added game will have to take the reigns as the #2.

Fwiw Harden losing a step in isolations is still leading the league in isolations per game and scoring on them at an 85th+ percentile efficiency https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=POSS&dir=1

He’s just not the complete freak he used to be more than tripling everyone in isos per game at 90th+ efficiency https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=POSS&dir=1&SeasonYear=2018-19

Well yes that his game , isolation king but him dominanting the ball isolating for half the possesion becomes less efficient in the playoffs . Now that hes lost a step it becomes even less efficient and leads to lost possesions. He had trouble getting by players and his step back has becomes easier to game plan for. Hes going to have to take more catch and shoot shots , less foul baiting (you can say the same with Embiid )with the ball swinging back his way in order for the teams offense to go to the next level. By going to the next level I mean being ungame plannable. With 4 players that can drop 20 pts and 2 that can collapse the defense frequently , this team should be elite offensively . With Harden still being an elite facilitator that can give you 20 pts the hope is that Maxey can elevate his game to being a go 2 guy and not just a supplemental offensive player like Tobias.
My hope is next season we will have 4 guys that can score efficiently from anywhere on the floor. That means Tobias being a willing 3 pt shooter with less back downs, more pullups or dish. Embiid swinging the ball more, less holding on to the ball and more willing pick and pop. Harden being a more willing catch and shoot, not having to dribble the air out the ball before he makes a move, less foul baiting. Maxey being even more aggressive and adding to his bag so that hes able to get to his shot without assistance when needed. Im sure teams would be more afraid of that offense in the playoffs than Embiid and Harden dominanting ball which most good teams can adequately gameplan for in the playoffs.

I get what you mean but..

Embiid and Harden will dominate the ball. Generate enough gravity then kick it to open guys. Those guys take open 3s or attack close outs.

Maybe we can be more advanced and run an offense with more movement, but both Embiid and Harden have very limited off ball game. Hell.. even Harden struggles to take spot up 3s, he sometimes have to dribble and take a step to shoot it.

[mjkvol]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

I love seeing teams refusing to get raped in deals for players that the urgency to move will only increase as the season approaches. Durant and Mitchell have to be moved, and teams should be taking advantage of that and the fact that there are very few suitors to drive the prices for them down.

The Knicks are essentially competing against themselves, and should offer no more than one pick more than anyone else. Even with Mitchell, they aren't close to seriously competing, and need to keep some ammunition to add more players. Gutting their cupboard will only ensure they are a perennial 4-6 seed.

And the Pels would be foolish to go all in right now, as they are building a really good thing there, especially if Zion is the real deal and can stay healthy.

[Sixerscan]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

I love seeing teams refusing to get raped in deals for players that the urgency to move will only increase as the season approaches. Durant and Mitchell have to be moved, and teams should be taking advantage of that and the fact that there are very few suitors to drive the prices for them down.

The Knicks are essentially competing against themselves, and should offer no more than one pick more than anyone else. Even with Mitchell, they aren't close to seriously competing, and need to keep some ammunition to add more players. Gutting their cupboard will only ensure they are a perennial 4-6 seed.

And the Pels would be foolish to go all in right now, as they are building a really good thing there, especially if Zion is the real deal and can stay healthy.

After Morey waded through months of terrible offers until he got what he wanted feel like teams with these guys asking for trades aren’t conceding anytime soon.

Scoop B is a fake source though of course.

[GoSixersBro]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

I love seeing teams refusing to get raped in deals for players that the urgency to move will only increase as the season approaches. Durant and Mitchell have to be moved, and teams should be taking advantage of that and the fact that there are very few suitors to drive the prices for them down.

The Knicks are essentially competing against themselves, and should offer no more than one pick more than anyone else. Even with Mitchell, they aren't close to seriously competing, and need to keep some ammunition to add more players. Gutting their cupboard will only ensure they are a perennial 4-6 seed.

And the Pels would be foolish to go all in right now, as they are building a really good thing there, especially if Zion is the real deal and can stay healthy.

This is a good point that I didn't consider closely. I've just figured over the years there are many franchises who will risk it all for a single big name player simply to sell tickets and stay/become a playoff team, no matter how unsuccessful they truly are. The deal Utah asked for Mitchell was pretty crazy, and I'd like to look at trades from the last 15 years to compare. Three young promising prospects and FIVE first rounders is pretty wild. I actually love Mitchell and think he's worth going after, but considering the circumstances like you said mjkvol, these teams dealing disgruntled stars are asking an awful lot.

[76ciology]

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[mjkvol]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

I love seeing teams refusing to get raped in deals for players that the urgency to move will only increase as the season approaches. Durant and Mitchell have to be moved, and teams should be taking advantage of that and the fact that there are very few suitors to drive the prices for them down.

The Knicks are essentially competing against themselves, and should offer no more than one pick more than anyone else. Even with Mitchell, they aren't close to seriously competing, and need to keep some ammunition to add more players. Gutting their cupboard will only ensure they are a perennial 4-6 seed.

And the Pels would be foolish to go all in right now, as they are building a really good thing there, especially if Zion is the real deal and can stay healthy.

After Morey waded through months of terrible offers until he got what he wanted feel like teams with these guys asking for trades aren’t conceding anytime soon.

Scoop B is a fake source though of course.

You may be right, but there's a pretty big difference between a Simmons, who declared early on he was done as a Sixer, and these two, who never said as much. The fans here never had any expectation of seeing Simmons last season, but I'm sure fans in UT and BRK don't feel quite the same.

And that's not even factoring in the difference in talent and impact of the players.

[Sixerscan]

I love seeing teams refusing to get raped in deals for players that the urgency to move will only increase as the season approaches. Durant and Mitchell have to be moved, and teams should be taking advantage of that and the fact that there are very few suitors to drive the prices for them down.

The Knicks are essentially competing against themselves, and should offer no more than one pick more than anyone else. Even with Mitchell, they aren't close to seriously competing, and need to keep some ammunition to add more players. Gutting their cupboard will only ensure they are a perennial 4-6 seed.

And the Pels would be foolish to go all in right now, as they are building a really good thing there, especially if Zion is the real deal and can stay healthy.

After Morey waded through months of terrible offers until he got what he wanted feel like teams with these guys asking for trades aren’t conceding anytime soon.

Scoop B is a fake source though of course.

You may be right, but there's a pretty big difference between a Simmons, who declared early on he was done as a Sixer, and these two, who never said as much. The fans here never had any expectation of seeing Simmons last season, but I'm sure fans in UT and BRK don't feel quite the same.

And that's not even factoring in the difference in talent and impact of the players.

I’m not following, what do you think will happen if they aren’t traded by the start of the season?

[mjkvol]

After Morey waded through months of terrible offers until he got what he wanted feel like teams with these guys asking for trades aren’t conceding anytime soon.

Scoop B is a fake source though of course.

You may be right, but there's a pretty big difference between a Simmons, who declared early on he was done as a Sixer, and these two, who never said as much. The fans here never had any expectation of seeing Simmons last season, but I'm sure fans in UT and BRK don't feel quite the same.

And that's not even factoring in the difference in talent and impact of the players.

I’m not following, what do you think will happen if they aren’t traded by the start of the season?

I could be wrong, I just sense there's more urgency here, especially in BRK where their entire plan fell apart so quickly. Maybe not in Utah, where Ainge has made it clear he's playing the long game.

I could easily see Ainge hold out and then get his king's ransom at the deadline. Those fans have become accustomed to moderate success, so you have to wonder what the mindset is like there.

[Kobblehead]

The Nets offered Kevin Durant for Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr & multiple firsts.

The Pelicans declined.

(via Brandon 'Scoop B' Robinson)

Good for the Pelicans. Their guys took the Suns to the brink in the first round and look to be building something fun and unique there under Willie Green.

No reason to ruin that by bringing in a toxic geezer like Durant.

[Rastas]

If push comes to shove I'm sure BRK won't loose too much sleep over keeping the ''Toxic Geezer'' till at least the deadline either.