Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[K_ick_God]

Why do we need DM if we are getting back Melo? He will finally have good players around him.

Also (and not joking) what if our guys play well, some take steps and we are in the playoff hunt, we can offer some picks and Randle to the Lakers for LeBron if they're having another bad season.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

People are underrating Mitchell at this point. He just had a season where he put up numbers as good if not better than Steph Curry who lead the Warriors to another title. Y’all talking about Ainge and the Celtics and Tatum and Brown like they just won the chip when in fact it was the 6’3” guard on the Warriors that destroyed them both. You can absolutely win with Mitchell, problem is Knicks didn’t put the right pieces in place for it. No he doesn’t need to be Luka or prime Lebron or Giannis. Jimmy Butler almost took out the Celtics on his own so get out of this mindset that the Celtics are some gold standard. Jazz didn’t build a team properly around Mitchell, Knicks could have an opportunity but changes will need to be made and pieces will need to be moved. This can’t / won’t be the group that gets it done. The problem is that the FO would believe that it is and that’s the main issue more than who Mitchell is as a player it’s the supporting cast around him that’s the issue

Ainge fleeced the Nets for Tatum and Brown, those were their picks, that should be enough of a warning sign on what we're about to do. Mitchell isn't Curry, there's only 1 Curry and people gotta stop comparing other players to him.

The Heat didn't trade Bam, Herro and 4 first rounders to get Jimmy, none of these other examples dumped everything they had into getting 1 guy. The only team that did that in recent history and won anything are the Lakers, AD shot 38% from three in the bubble, now they're looking hopeless, and we don't have a LeBron on our team to offset trading all those players & picks.

It's incredibly hard to trade that many players & picks and field a competitive team in the long term, it's why all these GMs want future picks when they trade their stars, because they're betting against your long term future.

[aq_ua]

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Ainge must have compromising pictures of Glen Taylor. I can't recall any other franchise that keeps gifting another team's exec like the Wolves gift Ainge.

[RandlesCornrows]

Idk why but I trust Leon in this. I feel we’ll get a good deal here…

[Clyde_Style]

Regarding Melo vs DMitch

I'm also probably totally biased and it's in the direction of DMitch.
Melo was a great player. There is zero doubt.
Could be objectively superior to DMitch when you add it all up.

I'm just going to gravitate to a high quality guard or wing who has a complete game on offense, scores at 3 levels, can pass, and is fun to watch doing it. Because really, the Knicks have had very few guys like that in their history and sometimes when they did, not for long.
Bernard's career cut short, Rod Strickland traded...Michael Ray Richardson succumbs to drugs, traded, Marbury and Crawford not here for that long

Over 50 years, it's a pretty f*cking short list.

[HarthorneWingo]

Why do we need DM if we are getting back Melo? He will finally have good players around him.

Also (and not joking) what if our guys play well, some take steps and we are in the playoff hunt, we can offer some picks and Randle to the Lakers for LeBron if they're having another bad season.

[Knicksrule2k4]

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[Adelheid]

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Ainge must have compromising pictures of Glen Taylor. I can't recall any other franchise that keeps gifting another team's exec like the Wolves gift Ainge.

Ainge must have dabbled in the art of hypnotism

[Clyde_Style]

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Sit TF down Dolan and stay out of it

[Knicksrule2k4]

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Sit TF down Dolan and stay out of it

If he gets involved we’re giving up the house

[Adelheid]

Jim Dolan is at peak thirsty mode. Be prepared

[nyknicks09]

Randle, Fournier, IQ, Grimes, Cam, and 5 future 1st round picks for Mitchell and Mike Conley

Conley is a negative value player. And we already have Rose, Brunson, and Donovan in the backcourt. We do not need another expensive undersized player.

I totally agree but Rose has been plagued with injuries and I don’t expect him to last a full season

[aq_ua]

Whenever blockbuster trades take this long, it's not happening. And for the better - I would really really like to see how our young guys look alongside a real point guard.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Sit TF down Dolan and stay out of it

If he gets involved we’re giving up the house

Oh yeah.

[aq_ua]

Why do we need DM if we are getting back Melo? He will finally have good players around him.

Also (and not joking) what if our guys play well, some take steps and we are in the playoff hunt, we can offer some picks and Randle to the Lakers for LeBron if they're having another bad season.

I paid so much to build this band
But now they're tired of me
So I'll o-verpay to keep them here
Cause spending's so easy

[Buttah304]

I like Donovan a lot, but he was not better than Melo.

Carmelo was a beast on Denver and the Knicks put the most I’ll-fitting roster around him. The organization had one of those “management for dummies” books.

When Mitchell drops 40+ in the playoffs you look at his starting lineup and think “he’s got a pretty damn good group to maximize his strengths.”

Melo was dropping 42–17-6 with Toney Douglas and Landry Fields in the backcourt and Ronny Turiaf and Jared Jeffries up front. His 2nd unit was Roger Mason, Billy Walker and Shawne Williams

On our 54 win team friggin JR Smith was our second best offensive weapon.

I need a drink.

[knicksNOTslick]

People are underrating Mitchell at this point. He just had a season where he put up numbers as good if not better than Steph Curry who lead the Warriors to another title. Y’all talking about Ainge and the Celtics and Tatum and Brown like they just won the chip when in fact it was the 6’3” guard on the Warriors that destroyed them both. You can absolutely win with Mitchell, problem is Knicks didn’t put the right pieces in place for it. No he doesn’t need to be Luka or prime Lebron or Giannis. Jimmy Butler almost took out the Celtics on his own so get out of this mindset that the Celtics are some gold standard. Jazz didn’t build a team properly around Mitchell, Knicks could have an opportunity but changes will need to be made and pieces will need to be moved. This can’t / won’t be the group that gets it done. The problem is that the FO would believe that it is and that’s the main issue more than who Mitchell is as a player it’s the supporting cast around him that’s the issue

Ainge fleeced the Nets for Tatum and Brown, those were their picks, that should be enough of a warning sign on what we're about to do. Mitchell isn't Curry, there's only 1 Curry and people gotta stop comparing other players to him.

The Heat didn't trade Bam, Herro and 4 first rounders to get Jimmy, none of these other examples dumped everything they had into getting 1 guy. The only team that did that in recent history and won anything are the Lakers, AD shot 38% from three in the bubble, now they're looking hopeless, and we don't have a LeBron on our team to offset trading all those players & picks.

It's incredibly hard to trade that many players & picks and field a competitive team in the long term, it's why all these GMs want future picks when they trade their stars, because they're betting against your long term future.

The Nets traded unprotected picks for players way past their prime. What we would be getting is a soon to be 26 year old just about to hit his prime. It depends on the deal. If we get to keep most of our young players, that should be alright. Our FO tends to do better with later picks anyways.

[drp07644]

I honestly can’t believe how many of you are saying the Knicks should pass on DM. I swear, if prime Jordan wanted to come here you’d say pass just so you wouldn’t have to trade McBride. It’s like you guys are addicted to WANTING to win and WANTING to get stars but don’t actually want either.

[snadler]

Whenever blockbuster trades take this long, it's not happening. And for the better - I would really really like to see how our young guys look alongside a real point guard.

This statement makes no sense, we often times have no idea how long negotiations last for, but when the Knicks are involved, every detail, rumor, negotiation is being reported, trades may take weeks to get done.

[HEZI]

People are underrating Mitchell at this point. He just had a season where he put up numbers as good if not better than Steph Curry who lead the Warriors to another title. Y’all talking about Ainge and the Celtics and Tatum and Brown like they just won the chip when in fact it was the 6’3” guard on the Warriors that destroyed them both. You can absolutely win with Mitchell, problem is Knicks didn’t put the right pieces in place for it. No he doesn’t need to be Luka or prime Lebron or Giannis. Jimmy Butler almost took out the Celtics on his own so get out of this mindset that the Celtics are some gold standard. Jazz didn’t build a team properly around Mitchell, Knicks could have an opportunity but changes will need to be made and pieces will need to be moved. This can’t / won’t be the group that gets it done. The problem is that the FO would believe that it is and that’s the main issue more than who Mitchell is as a player it’s the supporting cast around him that’s the issue

Ainge fleeced the Nets for Tatum and Brown, those were their picks, that should be enough of a warning sign on what we're about to do. Mitchell isn't Curry, there's only 1 Curry and people gotta stop comparing other players to him.

The Heat didn't trade Bam, Herro and 4 first rounders to get Jimmy, none of these other examples dumped everything they had into getting 1 guy. The only team that did that in recent history and won anything are the Lakers, AD shot 38% from three in the bubble, now they're looking hopeless, and we don't have a LeBron on our team to offset trading all those players & picks.

It's incredibly hard to trade that many players & picks and field a competitive team in the long term, it's why all these GMs want future picks when they trade their stars, because they're betting against your long term future.

He did so by dumping washed up dudes who had a one year window and it was downhill from there. Knicks am with Mitchell aren’t handing over a top 3 pick to the Jazz anytime soon. We will make the playoffs that’s for sure. Won’t get deep once there most likely but we won’t be in the lotto.

Yeah I’m aware Mitch isn’t Curry just like Im aware Tatum and Brown aren’t Luka or Lebron or Giannis. Mitch is very much in that same tier as both Tatum, Brown, Booker and others.

Giving up that many picks is crazy of course but what is our direction anyway? We are going into year 3 and Obi is still stuck behind Randle. Our other first round picks are stuck in bench roles. Besides RJ we don’t have a promising player who has been given an opportunity to thrive. Is that going to change? With the way we have been spending in free agency? It wasn’t happening and it’s why I was against the signings. The path we took was wrong. There is no turning back at this point. We fuqd up so might as well go all in now. They aren’t going to correct their mistakes and if they do attempt to it will come at a price. We saw it with Kemba. So what now? Trade more picks to dump Randle, Fournier and Mitch and Brunson? Basically would need to give up all those picks involved in the DMitch deal. This is the path they chose so it is what it is now.