Leaguewide Offseason Transactions Discussion

Polk377 · Post #1921 » by **Polk377** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:28 pm

LookToShoot wrote:
Jay10 wrote:

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Good for Ayton for not letting the Suns use him as a trade piece in a S&T.

The Suns are done. I'm sure they regret giving Chris Paul a long term deal.

If I were the Suns I would match and look to trade him down the line. Doesn't make sense to let him go for nothing.

Jimmit79 · Post #1922 » by **Jimmit79** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:09 pm

Polk377 wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:
Jay10 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good for Ayton for not letting the Suns use him as a trade piece in a S&T.

The Suns are done. I'm sure they regret giving Chris Paul a long term deal.

If I were the Suns I would match and look to trade him down the line. Doesn't make sense to let him go for nothing.

They are cheapster organization

Polk377 · Post #1923 » by **Polk377** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:13 pm

Jimmit79 wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:
Good for Ayton for not letting the Suns use him as a trade piece in a S&T.

The Suns are done. I'm sure they regret giving Chris Paul a long term deal.

If I were the Suns I would match and look to trade him down the line. Doesn't make sense to let him go for nothing.
They are cheapster organization

The same organization that gave 36 year old Chris Paul a 4 year $120 contract? Really?

3toheadmelo · Post #1924 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:55 pm

Polk377 wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:
Polk377 wrote:If I were the Suns I would match and look to trade him down the line. Doesn't make sense to let him go for nothing.
They are cheapster organization

The same organization that gave 36 year old Chris Paul a 4 year $120 contract? Really?

they're about to lose ayton the same way they did joe johnson

Adelheid · Post #1925 » by **Adelheid** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:18 am

Suns matched. What an ending to this effin saga lol

Polk377 · Post #1926 » by **Polk377** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:57 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
Jimmit79 wrote:They are cheapster organization

The same organization that gave 36 year old Chris Paul a 4 year $120 contract? Really?

they're about to lose ayton the same way they did joe johnson

You were saying..........

Adelheid · Post #1927 » by **Adelheid** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:23 am

Lesson to be learned: Stay away from RFAs bwahahahahaha

what a waste of energy that was

HarthorneWingo · Post #1928 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:34 am

Melo, you there? :lol:

Actually, I really thought Ayton would end up in Detroit.

Post #1929 » by **dakomish23** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:14 am

Read on Twitter

spree2kawhi · Post #1930 » by **spree2kawhi** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:46 am

LookToShoot wrote:
Jay10 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good for Ayton for not letting the Suns use him as a trade piece in a S&T.

The Suns are done. I'm sure they regret giving Chris Paul a long term deal.

How are they done? They can be glad Ayton’s still there. They are still up there in the West.

They have team options every year too.

spree2kawhi · Post #1931 » by **spree2kawhi** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:48 am

I don’t know where to put this but I’m getting more and more upset by how this board keeps overrating our players. Look:

PJ Washington (currently age 23) >>>> Obi Toppin (24)

KCP, Austin Rivers, Gary Harris, Wes Matthews, Gary Trent jr. et al. >>>> who Quentin Grimes will be

Tyrese Maxey, but also guys like Dinwiddie, Voshon Lenard, Juan Dixon and others >>>> IQ

Wiggins, Iguodala, Maggette, Mashburn, Finley >>>> Barrett

John Collins >>>> Randle and of course Obi Toppin too

spree2kawhi · Post #1932 » by **spree2kawhi** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:10 am

If our lineup read

Deron Williams (at best)
KCP/Voshon Lenard
Jamal Mashburn
John Collins/Stromile Swift
Sam Dalembert,

how excited would you be?

Jay10 · Post #1933 » by **Jay10** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:56 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:
Jay10 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good for Ayton for not letting the Suns use him as a trade piece in a S&T.

The Suns are done. I'm sure they regret giving Chris Paul a long term deal.

How are they done? They can be glad Ayton’s still there. They are still up there in the West.

They have team options every year too.

They just purposely lowballed their #1 pick just so they wouldn't have to give him a 5 year contract.

This situation will end up similar to what happened in Utah, when they didn't want to sign him to a 5 year contract so they let him sign a 4 year with another team then matched the offer.

Post #1934 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:49 pm

The Suns did what they had to do and the smart thing to do given the situation they were in with Ayton. They are in championship mode. There is no player you can do a sign-and-trade for on the Pacers that would improve your chances at a championship. 4 years $133 million for a guy like Ayton isn't a real overpay. It's definitely less than the max that they would have been pressured to sign Ayton to which would have been 5 years $180 million or so I believe. They let Ayton do all the work to set the market and they just had to utter one word "match" and that was it. Was it the ideal outcome? Maybe not. Ideal may have been to leverage Ayton into Durant (or have Ayton's market be less than 4 years $133 million). But there was no reason why Ayton would want to help the Suns out by waiting to see if the Nets can work a sign-and-trade that would send him to what likely will be a quagmire of a rebuild and an organization that will be under fire and the microscope of flubbing again with the star chasing business. And the Pacers had the cap space. So...

spree2kawhi · Post #1935 » by **spree2kawhi** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:54 pm

moocow007 wrote:The Suns did what they had to do and the smart thing to do. They are in championship mode. There is no player you can do a sign-and-trade for on the Pacers that would improve your chances at a championship. 4 years $133 million for a guy like Ayton isn't a real overpay. It's definitely less than the max that they would have been pressured to sign Ayton to which would have been 5 years $180 million or so I believe. They let Ayton do all the work to set the market and they just had to utter one word "match" and that was it.

Absolutely. And it was the right thing to do.

8516knicks · Post #1936 » by **8516knicks** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:59 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:If our lineup read

Deron Williams (at best)
KCP/Voshon Lenard
Jamal Mashburn
John Collins/Stromile Swift
Sam Dalembert,

how excited would you be?

Not excited in the least. They're all kind of OLD now, arent' they? :lol:

3toheadmelo · Post #1937 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:07 pm

moocow007 wrote:The Suns did what they had to do and the smart thing to do given the situation they were in with Ayton. They are in championship mode. There is no player you can do a sign-and-trade for on the Pacers that would improve your chances at a championship. 4 years $133 million for a guy like Ayton isn't a real overpay. It's definitely less than the max that they would have been pressured to sign Ayton to which would have been 5 years $180 million or so I believe. They let Ayton do all the work to set the market and they just had to utter one word "match" and that was it. Was it the ideal outcome? Maybe not. Ideal may have been to leverage Ayton into Durant (or have Ayton's market be less than 4 years $133 million). But there was no reason why Ayton would want to help the Suns out by waiting to see if the Nets can work a sign-and-trade that would send him to what likely will be a quagmire of a rebuild and an organization that will be under fire and the microscope of flubbing again with the star chasing business. And the Pacers had the cap space. So...

What I don’t understand is that there was reports that the Suns felt like they could get the same type of production from Ayton in worse centers like McGee/Biyombo. So an Ayton for Turner swap would’ve made sense for them but they didn’t even want Turner. To me this was just a whole waste of everybody’s time. And now they have a disgruntled player on their team, which doesn’t bode well for their championship aspirations

Polk377 · Post #1938 » by **Polk377** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:16 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The Suns did what they had to do and the smart thing to do given the situation they were in with Ayton. They are in championship mode. There is no player you can do a sign-and-trade for on the Pacers that would improve your chances at a championship. 4 years $133 million for a guy like Ayton isn't a real overpay. It's definitely less than the max that they would have been pressured to sign Ayton to which would have been 5 years $180 million or so I believe. They let Ayton do all the work to set the market and they just had to utter one word "match" and that was it. Was it the ideal outcome? Maybe not. Ideal may have been to leverage Ayton into Durant (or have Ayton's market be less than 4 years $133 million). But there was no reason why Ayton would want to help the Suns out by waiting to see if the Nets can work a sign-and-trade that would send him to what likely will be a quagmire of a rebuild and an organization that will be under fire and the microscope of flubbing again with the star chasing business. And the Pacers had the cap space. So...

What I don’t understand is that there was reports that the Suns felt like they could get the same type of production from Ayton in worse centers like McGee/Biyombo. So an Ayton for Turner swap would’ve made sense for them but they didn’t even want Turner. To me this was just a whole waste of everybody’s time. And now they have a disgruntled player on their team, which doesn’t bode well for their championship aspirations

I don't think Ayton is particularly disgruntled with the team and his teammates, the front office maybe. To him it was all about the money. He forced Phoenix's hand by getting the offer sheet and they had to choose.

3toheadmelo · Post #1939 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:18 pm

Polk377 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The Suns did what they had to do and the smart thing to do given the situation they were in with Ayton. They are in championship mode. There is no player you can do a sign-and-trade for on the Pacers that would improve your chances at a championship. 4 years $133 million for a guy like Ayton isn't a real overpay. It's definitely less than the max that they would have been pressured to sign Ayton to which would have been 5 years $180 million or so I believe. They let Ayton do all the work to set the market and they just had to utter one word "match" and that was it. Was it the ideal outcome? Maybe not. Ideal may have been to leverage Ayton into Durant (or have Ayton's market be less than 4 years $133 million). But there was no reason why Ayton would want to help the Suns out by waiting to see if the Nets can work a sign-and-trade that would send him to what likely will be a quagmire of a rebuild and an organization that will be under fire and the microscope of flubbing again with the star chasing business. And the Pacers had the cap space. So...

What I don’t understand is that there was reports that the Suns felt like they could get the same type of production from Ayton in worse centers like McGee/Biyombo. So an Ayton for Turner swap would’ve made sense for them but they didn’t even want Turner. To me this was just a whole waste of everybody’s time. And now they have a disgruntled player on their team, which doesn’t bode well for their championship aspirations

I don't think Ayton is particularly disgruntled with the team and his teammates, the front office maybe. To him it was all about the money. He forced Phoenix's hand by getting the offer sheet and they had to choose.

There might be some issue with Monty and there was a rumor that CP3 is involved too. It wasn't only about the money. He wanted to have a bigger role in the offense

Post #1940 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:02 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The Suns did what they had to do and the smart thing to do given the situation they were in with Ayton. They are in championship mode. There is no player you can do a sign-and-trade for on the Pacers that would improve your chances at a championship. 4 years $133 million for a guy like Ayton isn't a real overpay. It's definitely less than the max that they would have been pressured to sign Ayton to which would have been 5 years $180 million or so I believe. They let Ayton do all the work to set the market and they just had to utter one word "match" and that was it. Was it the ideal outcome? Maybe not. Ideal may have been to leverage Ayton into Durant (or have Ayton's market be less than 4 years $133 million). But there was no reason why Ayton would want to help the Suns out by waiting to see if the Nets can work a sign-and-trade that would send him to what likely will be a quagmire of a rebuild and an organization that will be under fire and the microscope of flubbing again with the star chasing business. And the Pacers had the cap space. So...

What I don’t understand is that there was reports that the Suns felt like they could get the same type of production from Ayton in worse centers like McGee/Biyombo. So an Ayton for Turner swap would’ve made sense for them but they didn’t even want Turner. To me this was just a whole waste of everybody’s time. And now they have a disgruntled player on their team, which doesn’t bode well for their championship aspirations

I think it was just posturing to try and keep the cost for them down especially with Ayton's agent by showing them that they feel they can get enough production from other sources. Then basically force the agent to go find a deal that the Suns would know won't be as much as they would have to pay Ayton. I don't think the Suns ever really wanted to move Ayton in the first place and this was just standard "it's just business" type of a thing.

As far as disgruntled? I mean Ayton went and saw what his market value was right? It was what the Pacers were willing to pay him. So whether he gets that from the Pacers (a bad team where he has no idea of how he'll fit and whether they'll be able to compete) or from the Suns (a great team that he's already familiar with and knows will continue to compete for a title)? I would think he'd be happy to be back with the Suns. Could he have been happier had he gotten the 5 year max from the Suns? But that's professional sports. I don't think most pro athletes will hold that against the team they end up with. It doesn't help anyone if he sulks and the dynamic with the Suns turns.