2023 NBA Draft

[SeattleJazzFan]

Without the benefit of seeing these guys play in their pre-NBA stop I'd pretty easily take Scoot/Victor over the top 6 in 2022, but I'd probably take the top 6 over the next group of players in 2023. But I'm betting someone else blows up and becomes the clear third pick in the draft, my bet is on that being Anthony Black.

Looking at the 2022 draft, I would have been willing to trade Donovan Mitchell for Paolo Banchero. I'd also have been willing to trade Mitchell for Jaden Ivey and 2 FRPs. I wasn't sure what to do with Chet, and still don't to some degree. I need to see him at NBA speed and space.

In this draft, I'd consider trading Mitchell for Wembanyama, Henderson and either Thompson at a minimum. I'm also intrigued by Dereck Lively, Nick Smith and Dillon Mitchell. There could be 5+ All Stars in this class.

Mitchell is a high volume low efficiency, undersized shooting guard that struggles with play-making and plays pretty much no defense. If the Jazz can get a top ten pick in a future draft they should jump on it.

The only reason he is so hyped is because the US media created a story to try and get a local win Rookie of the year in a bad draft class. He was two years older than everyone else and people fell for it. His peak is Lou Williams, but for some strange reason he is still being pumped up as a superstar. Has shot the Jazz out of multiple playoff series, but fans only seem to remember the one series when he and Murray played no defense on each other.

mitchell isn't a low efficiency guy - his TS% was 57% last year and he's gotten better every season. 57% isn't elite, but it is above average. also, he's not a shooting guard. he's a PG - he's an excellent passer playmaker, but because the jazz had conley, he was forced to play shooting guard. but make no mistake he's a lead guard. and he has good size for a pg. the one thing you got right is that he doesn't play any defense - but with his strength, athleticism and length, he has a ton of potential there if a coach can reach him or something can click for him.

[SeattleJazzFan]

what are your concerns with Vic's game and or potential progression?

His lack of productivity for one. He’s young but I think people honestly buy into “flashes” way too much and underrate having proven you know how to play basketball. He’s not a strong finisher inside right now. He hasn’t proven to be an even decent shooter yet. Not an impressive rebounder. His feel for the game is questionable and his AST/TO ratio sucks. Also the injury history of guys at his height isn’t promising to say the least. In fact I’d say it’s nearly a guarantee with his frame that he’ll struggle to stay healthy . So far, he really hasn’t had a great track record of that and it’ll only get worse in the long grueling NBA season.

Even if most of the flashes turn into legitimate strengths, I don’t see a guy who will impact the game (especially in the playoffs) at the same level a guy like Scoot can if things pan out for him. Wembayama is a shotblocker, but I don’t see a versatile defender or a guy with special instincts. On offense, I don’t know if I see him being a dude you give the ball to and get out the way. Or a guy who can create for others (pretty confident this won’t be the case). And having both of those is kinda necessary for superstar level offensive ability.

We literally watched him dominate Chet Holmgren. He was so clearly the best player on the court, it could not even be debated.

lol. you're a draft guy and you still don't understand how crazy it is to come to conclusions about a player based on one game? for good or bad. ha.

[CptCrunch]

Mitchell is super overrated. Unless he performs like he has shooting scorchingly in the playoffs (obviously not his real talent level), I wouldn't even consider him a max player, and obviously not worth the 6 picks that the Jazz want.

The poster above is right. On face value, you see a high scorer on league average efficiency. But if you dig down, he is at 4.4 TOV on only 7.8 APG. He is likely negative on defense with a negative DBPM, negative RAPM last season, negative 3 year RAPM, 5 year RAPM.

If you take all of this into consideration, he is actually an undersized shooting guard who can pass merely just okay who plays on one side of the ball. This is a very mediocre archetype. His only value hedges on his ability to be that 1a option in the playoffs.

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With a december 17 birthday, safe to say he'll be the youngest player in the 2023 draft class.

[buzzkilloton]

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[EMG518]

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With a december 17 birthday, safe to say he'll be the youngest player in the 2023 draft class.

Looks like Giannis out there.

[Upperclass]

GG Jackson plays like UNC Antawn Jamison

[baldur]

So what's your projection for gg Jackson? Top 10?

[clyde21]

So what's your projection for gg Jackson? Top 10?

for sure at this point

[buzzkilloton]

Thats a big time addition to the class

[Duke4life831]

So what's your projection for gg Jackson? Top 10?

At this point you have to pencil him in for sure. But I will also say this, we've seen guys like GG tank pretty hard their 1 year in college. GG right now gets by mostly just by being the better athlete. Dont get me wrong he is a hell of an athlete. The jumper and handle is pretty iffy at best at the moment. Its not too rare to see high ranked guys based off their athleticism in high school kind of get lost in the shuffle once they get to college.

Now with that said, one of the promising aspects with GG is a visible growth in the skill areas of his game.

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[CptCrunch]

Twins are crazy athletes. Didn't show much skill in terms of shooting. Both are super old for the class.

Amen is likely much better than Ausar. There is no reason to stick them on boards consecutively.

Later half of top 10 for me until college season starts.

These games aren't particularly skilled to be honest or at least the team they played against. Top of P5 is likely far better in terms of skill. The leading scorer on OTE is some 33 year old called Malcom Thomas (good for 2 PPG in 11 minutes in his prime in the NBA, but I guess he made the league).

Wish they beat their first round opponent to play a better team with some talent. Jimmer is in this tourney btw.

[jrj202]

Without the benefit of seeing these guys play in their pre-NBA stop I'd pretty easily take Scoot/Victor over the top 6 in 2022, but I'd probably take the top 6 over the next group of players in 2023. But I'm betting someone else blows up and becomes the clear third pick in the draft, my bet is on that being Anthony Black.

Looking at the 2022 draft, I would have been willing to trade Donovan Mitchell for Paolo Banchero. I'd also have been willing to trade Mitchell for Jaden Ivey and 2 FRPs. I wasn't sure what to do with Chet, and still don't to some degree. I need to see him at NBA speed and space.

In this draft, I'd consider trading Mitchell for Wembanyama, Henderson and either Thompson at a minimum. I'm also intrigued by Dereck Lively, Nick Smith and Dillon Mitchell. There could be 5+ All Stars in this class.

Mitchell is a high volume low efficiency, undersized shooting guard that struggles with play-making and plays pretty much no defense. If the Jazz can get a top ten pick in a future draft they should jump on it.

The only reason he is so hyped is because the US media created a story to try and get a local win Rookie of the year in a bad draft class. He was two years older than everyone else and people fell for it. His peak is Lou Williams, but for some strange reason he is still being pumped up as a superstar. Has shot the Jazz out of multiple playoff series, but fans only seem to remember the one series when he and Murray played no defense on each other.

Could be an 18 ppg on 40% like Harden

[jrj202]

Twins are crazy athletes. Didn't show much skill in terms of shooting. Both are super old for the class.

Amen is likely much better than Ausar. There is no reason to stick them on boards consecutively.

Later half of top 10 for me until college season starts.

These games aren't particularly skilled to be honest or at least the team they played against. Top of P5 is likely far better in terms of skill. The leading scorer on OTE is some 33 year old called Malcom Thomas (good for 2 PPG in 11 minutes in his prime in the NBA, but I guess he made the league).

Wish they beat their first round opponent to play a better team with some talent. Jimmer is in this tourney btw.

Twins scare me as 20 year old kids playing in OTE.

[jrj202]

Honest question, many of us are talking about this draft as very deep and strong but if you took Victor from the top I am struggling to see how it is stronger than this year’s draft.


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[jman3134]

100% comes down to: can they develop their respective shots? The elite athleticism is certainly there and they have a ton of defensive potential. I think their ranking should be lower at the moment just because they can't shoot (plus their age), but they look like rotation guys (if not starters) to me if they work hard and develop this one part of their game. I love the defensive potential for both of them actually. I would say lottery in '23 in pencil.

[shangrila]

I hate Overtime Elite as a development league so I could easily see them dropping.

I mean, what do you gain from that place? If you dominate you're doing it against high schoolers so nobody takes it seriously. And if you don't then...why the hell not? You SHOULD be wiping the floor with them if you're an NBA calibre prospect.

[jrj202]

I hate Overtime Elite as a development league so I could easily see them dropping.

I mean, what do you gain from that place? If you dominate you're doing it against high schoolers so nobody takes it seriously. And if you don't then...why the hell not? You SHOULD be wiping the floor with them if you're an NBA calibre prospect.

Agreed, OTE is a black mark

[jman3134]

I hate Overtime Elite as a development league so I could easily see them dropping.

I mean, what do you gain from that place? If you dominate you're doing it against high schoolers so nobody takes it seriously. And if you don't then...why the hell not? You SHOULD be wiping the floor with them if you're an NBA calibre prospect.

I have nothing against OTE. It was a long time coming. G League salaries need to go up.

For development sake, you are working with really good coaches and these are high school kids for the most part.

They will be scrimmiging overseas teams this year I believe, but were constrained last year due to the pandemic.

In terms of the specific prospects, Jean and Dominick did not look overmatched in summer league, though there is no doubt their stocks were held back by OTE.

End of the day, these kids want to get paid as basketball players. OTE does that.