Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[KnixinSix]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

Preferably keep one of those guys out of the equation. Starting with 1. Obi 2. Grimes 3. IQ

[ForeverRDjazz]

I’d add a 7th pick easy if we keep IQ and Obi. Three of these picks aren’t even real.

As Jazz fan I'm good with keeping DM and retooling around him. Sounds like most NY fans willing to put in the picks but Leon isn't. Deal was on the table jazz wanted 3 picks and Leon shot it down so I really don't ever seeing the jazz knicks deal done. Must'v been player jazz wanted and Knicks won't add? I believe Paul George wanted to play with DM but not in Utah and small market. New York is more likely able to bring in Paul George players with Mitchell? But from the sounds of it you'll never know.

[Fury]

It’s actually kind of crazy that Brunson, Barrett and Randle are prob the three best offensive players Mitchell will have played with (don’t give me spot up TS% warriors)

The most exciting team we've had since 2013. I want this. and imagine RJ takes a leap and Randle becomes efficient playing next to competent guards

Imagining unselfish playmaker Randle having those 3 options

[KnicksNext]

We tryna see good basketball again.. this team as currently constructed looks kinda mid unless a few guys pop

We have a lot of guys who can “pop” tho. Why not just see what they can do first?

We just signed Brunson to be our lead guard, who owned Mitchell in the playoffs, and now we’re gonna immediately relegate him to be Raymond Felton.

Its cool tho. Dont let me ruin everyone’s dreams.

Guess it all comes down to how confident you are in our young talent actually being good.. myself I’m not sold on any of them with my whole heart tbh.. I’m guessing a lot of my fellow Knick brethren and sisters feel the same going by the split in opinions on this. Honestly the fact that we can trade unproven dudes like grimes (who I like a lot but cmon) and reddish for Donovan feels like high way robbery

As Knicks fans we're doing what we always do. Overrate our youth. If you break down this potential trade, each one of our youth are simply 1 piece of an 8 piece trade. If they're so damn good, we should trade them somewhere else, get a ton of value for them, and then trade what we get to Utah for Mitchell. But that won't happen because ultimately they're not worth much around the league.

[DOT]

It’s actually kind of crazy that Brunson, Barrett and Randle are prob the three best offensive players Mitchell will have played with (don’t give me spot up TS% warriors)

The most exciting team we've had since 2013. I want this. and imagine RJ takes a leap and Randle becomes efficient playing next to competent guards

Frankly, if you can keep RJ and Grimes, I don't really care that much about the picks

Brunson/Rose
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/
Randle/
Mitch/Hart

We'd be a bit thin on forwards, but we'd still be good

RJ and Randle taking a backseat to Mitchell as the lead scorer with Brunson as a distributor would do wonders for their efficiency

The problem is, we'd be weak on defense with that backcourt, and you do absolutely need that depth to make it through the season, and we'd struggle to fill out the roster given the lack of picks and cap space, but if you're a good enough GM, you can find those types of guys

Would be a pretty fun roster.

[Fury]

I’d add a 7th pick easy if we keep IQ and Obi. Three of these picks aren’t even real.

As Jazz fan I'm good with keeping DM and retooling around him. Sounds like most NY fans willing to put in the picks but Leon isn't. Deal was on the table jazz wanted 3 picks and Leon shot it down so I really don't ever seeing the jazz knicks deal done. Must'v been player jazz wanted and Knicks won't add? I believe Paul George wanted to play with DM but not in Utah and small market. New York is more likely able to bring in Paul George players with Mitchell? But from the sounds of it you'll never know.

You referring to the 3 picks and Mitch Robinson thing? I dunno, the guy who mentioned that has been saying some BS lately. I think it’s about the 6th or 7th pick.

[KnicksNext]

Let’s say we do give up all the assets that Ainge wants and we roll out a lineup of Brunson, Mitchell,
Barrett, Randle, Mitch with no bench and assets. How many games could we expect to win with this group compared to what we would have currently with a better bench and assets? You would have to increase your win total by 15 games to justify the package that Ainge wants. You make this type of trade when you’re one piece away from contending for a title. You don’t make this move when you would still be a few pieces away from contending even after completely depleting your team.

Teams can always add players once they have the talent locked in. We'll have 5 'good' players in Mitchell/Brunson/Randle/RJ and Mitch. We can fill in the holes in the next few years. Teams do it all the time.

[louisorr]

just curious, has anyone here actually watched Donovan Mitchell play an entire basketball game?

Watched him dominate a few playoff games. Bubble Donovan was insane. Why do you ask? Is he any good?

yeah, I'm not sure I have. a quarter here and there and obviously his highlights. but the hype is crazy and I'm not sold that he's all that.
also, just to be a provocative rabble rouser.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s actually kind of crazy that Brunson, Barrett and Randle are prob the three best offensive players Mitchell will have played with (don’t give me spot up TS% warriors)

The most exciting team we've had since 2013. I want this. and imagine RJ takes a leap and Randle becomes efficient playing next to competent guards

Frankly, if you can keep RJ and Grimes, I don't really care that much about the picks

Brunson/Rose
Mitchell/Grimes
RJ/
Randle/
Mitch/Hart

We'd be a bit thin on forwards, but we'd still be good

RJ and Randle taking a backseat to Mitchell as the lead scorer with Brunson as a distributor would do wonders for their efficiency

The problem is, we'd be weak on defense with that backcourt, and you do absolutely need that depth to make it through the season, and we'd struggle to fill out the roster given the lack of picks and cap space, but if you're a good enough GM, you can find those types of guys

Would be a pretty fun roster.

I agree. I think they want Grimes though. I love Grimes but if it came between Grimes and no Mitchell, they can have him. It's worth noting that I do not think Cam is involved in this trade. So we could most likely use him as our backup SF

[3toheadmelo]

It’s actually kind of crazy that Brunson, Barrett and Randle are prob the three best offensive players Mitchell will have played with (don’t give me spot up TS% warriors)

The most exciting team we've had since 2013. I want this. and imagine RJ takes a leap and Randle becomes efficient playing next to competent guards

Imagining unselfish playmaker Randle having those 3 options

Yeah if he gets that mindset back to 2021.. this would be super fun

[louisorr]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

its called draft picks?

[HighRyzer83]

I’d add a 7th pick easy if we keep IQ and Obi. Three of these picks aren’t even real.

As Jazz fan I'm good with keeping DM and retooling around him. Sounds like most NY fans willing to put in the picks but Leon isn't. Deal was on the table jazz wanted 3 picks and Leon shot it down so I really don't ever seeing the jazz knicks deal done. Must'v been player jazz wanted and Knicks won't add? I believe Paul George wanted to play with DM but not in Utah and small market. New York is more likely able to bring in Paul George players with Mitchell? But from the sounds of it you'll never know.

No cares about Mitchell or Paul George. Fck those divas. We have something special building here. Our youth have the potential to develop into something special and I'm pretty sure Ainge wanted the farm, to include Barrett. No thanks. You can keep your no defense playing chucker who can't even get along with a franchise center for the sake of winning.

[sol537]

The reason we don't want to overpay (by too much) is so we have enough assets left over to maneuver and tweak the team to become a true contender... like we weren't able to do with 'Melo, Starbury, Ewing...

Learn from the Past... We have leverage and so does Ainge. This isn't one sided. Let Leon & co. do their thing.

Miami's offer is junk compared to what we can offer. If any other team steps up, fine... we still have a great offer and we're a place Spida wants to come to. Can't say the same about a lot of other destinations.

[Orange Mamba]

I’d add a 7th pick easy if we keep IQ and Obi. Three of these picks aren’t even real.

As Jazz fan I'm good with keeping DM and retooling around him. Sounds like most NY fans willing to put in the picks but Leon isn't. Deal was on the table jazz wanted 3 picks and Leon shot it down so I really don't ever seeing the jazz knicks deal done. Must'v been player jazz wanted and Knicks won't add? I believe Paul George wanted to play with DM but not in Utah and small market. New York is more likely able to bring in Paul George players with Mitchell? But from the sounds of it you'll never know.

You referring to the 3 picks and Mitch Robinson thing? I dunno, the guy who mentioned that has been saying some BS lately. I think it’s about the 6th or 7th pick.

I agree. I think that's fake news from Begley. Haven't seen Shams, Woj, or the Tony Jones guy report that

[robillionaire]

We tryna see good basketball again.. this team as currently constructed looks kinda mid unless a few guys pop

We have a lot of guys who can “pop” tho. Why not just see what they can do first?

We just signed Brunson to be our lead guard, who owned Mitchell in the playoffs, and now we’re gonna immediately relegate him to be Raymond Felton.

Its cool tho. Dont let me ruin everyone’s dreams.

Our 'pop' players are nothing but role players. The fact that the FO is considering giving all of them up for one player should tell you that. That is their worth around the league. Obi/IQ/Grimes/McBride AND 6 1sts obviously proves what I said is true. They are only pieces of a trade for one player.

We might as well pull the trigger and roll with Mitchell/Randle/Brunson/RJ/Mitch for the next 5 years. Max out RJ and that's that. See what happens. Sign me up. I've come a long way because I didn't want to do the deal 2 days ago, but I thought long and hard about it. It's our best chance to become relevant again.

None of these borderline role player kids have any pop and with Donovan we get established snap crackle and pop.

Leon promised stars, he needs to get this done or he is going to be fired

[KnixinSix]

Here is the thing that confuses me. All the media seem to be parroting the younger cost controlled guys of IQ,Obi,Grimes,McBride as what Ainge wants. How does that even work salary matching wise? All the latest reports don't mention at least one of Fournier or Rose being involved.

[KnicksNext]

where does ainge go from here (there is no other team that can come close to that package)...talks aren't dead but sometimes you have to walk away to get the price to be lower.

The problem with this line of thinking is that Ainge doesn't have to deal Mitchell. This is not a KD situation. He can also pull the deal off the table. Just give Ainge what he wants and let's go for it.

[Reign23]

I've come around on doing this. Why tf not at this point. When is the next time we'll have a shot at adding a top 25 player in the league who is only 25 years old? F it - let's do it. Give Utah the bag. Ainge is not going to move him if he doesn't love the deal, so we have to give up what it takes to get him. 6 1sts plus all the kids the Jazz want (Ainge wants no part of RJ and his contract). All of them.

At least we'll field a team that's exciting and should be good for many years. Where are we going if we don't do it? With adding only Brunson, we're not going anywhere. We all know that. We'll be stuck in middling hell for the next 5 years.

The Knicks brass don't care about the draft. That's been proven. So, what are we saving all these picks for if we have no interest in using them?

Grimes, Obi, IQ and 6 1sts. Lets do it.

yeah maybe its just as simple as this.

[sol537]

where does ainge go from here (there is no other team that can come close to that package)...talks aren't dead but sometimes you have to walk away to get the price to be lower.

The problem with this line of thinking is that Ainge doesn't have to deal Mitchell. This is not a KD situation. He can also pull the deal off the table. Just give Ainge what he wants and let's go for it.

Nope... if he keeps Mitchell, that means more wins and less of a chance at a top 2 pick in the 2023 draft which is Ainge's real goal. It also means Mitchell gets disgruntled faster and starts to demand a trade out of there which further lowers his value (see Harden's situation).

The time to deal for both teams in now. Both teams have incentive to get something done though it may take weeks, still.

[Knicksfan1992]

where does ainge go from here (there is no other team that can come close to that package)...talks aren't dead but sometimes you have to walk away to get the price to be lower.

The problem with this line of thinking is that Ainge doesn't have to deal Mitchell. This is not a KD situation. He can also pull the deal off the table. Just give Ainge what he wants and let's go for it.

You're a horrible negotiator lmao