Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[Clyde_Style]

Yeah, I’d much rather give up Quickley

Absolutely. I like what IQ brings, but he’s going to be redundant and his type of player is much easier to find.

Obi is sui generis among contemporary NBA players. You will not find another one like him for a very long time, if ever. The guy will be a difference maker for whomever he plays even coming off the bench. He is one of the most disruptive players for a guy who is almost purely opportunistic I’ve ever seen. Having a guy you don’t need to run the offense through who does what he does balances out a squad enormously

If they let Obi go they are dense AF

Fair points. I like Obi, too, and it would also give us insurance to deal Randle at some point down the road...

Also, just because we don’t trade Randle now does not mean he won’t be moved this season or next.

Look at how they structured the C position. Sims and Hart may take over if they trade Mitch. Same deal with Obi. You keep him and he takes over after Randle is moved.

Patience and vision is required. More fans need to stop running every scenario strictly through a Donovan Mitchell trade scenario. There’s more going on than that

[KnicksNext]

do the **** math
Lets rank some of the top 25 players in the NBA and whether or not they can be traded for


1/ Luka- no
2/ Jokic - no
3/ giannis -no
4/ curry- no
5/ LeBron - no
6/ durant- yes, but cant be traded here
7/ kawhi no
8/tatum- no
9/ embiid - no
10/ booker- no
11-25/
j butler- no
ja morant - no
Donovan Mitchell -yes
siakam - no
kat- no
Brandon ingraham- no
lamello - no
Anthony davis - no
trae young - no
gobert - no
Jalen brown - no
lavine - no
jrue holiday - no
beal - no
Lillard- no



now lets say for arguments sake you dont even believe Donovan Mitchell is a top 25 player, and lets rattle off some guys:

jalen brunson -no
Tyrese halliburton- no
mikal bridges - yes
bam adebayo - no
FVV- no
vucevic - yes
John collins- yes
Darius garland- no
SGA- no
sabonis- no
Desmond bane- no
Marcus smart - no
... and tons of other guys at this level- no.

im sure im missing some guys here and there in the top 25.

So realistically you have to get into the "Mikal Bridges" level of player, around rank 40. Basically guys who are #3s on winning teams and #4-5 on championship level teams.


so exactly who else can we get thats better than Donovan Mitchell?

Thank you for posting this. Dead on. There is literally NO ONE ELSE at the level Mitchell to be had in the next 2+ years. You make a deal no matter the cost if you can add a player at Mitchell's level. Obviously I don't want to give up what it will take, but what other option does this franchise have? You're kidding yourself if you think Brunson plus Obi/IQ/Grimes are going to take us anywhere.

This is a star's league, and Mitchell is a star. And 25 years old. Make the damn deal.

[KnixinSix]

Here is the thing that confuses me. All the media seem to be parroting the younger cost controlled guys of IQ,Obi,Grimes,McBride as what Ainge wants. How does that even work salary matching wise? All the latest reports don't mention at least one of Fournier or Rose being involved.

because it's just understood that one of them will be involved. They mention the negotiation points, the kids\picks, because those are the variables that can change

Meat that is entirely possible and a very good point!

[Clyde_Style]

I actually would give up Grimes and IQ and keep Obi if it comes down to that. We’ll have Brunson and Mitchell to score from the backcourt plus RJ. I’m happy with Grimes, but I’d miss Obi far more

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

I was excited to see how that lineup would do.

m2 bro. absolutely.
but when a 25 year old multiple all star becomes available you have to strike..

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

[KnicksNext]

shoot the shot.

there is no shame in taking it. its better than sitting on our hands and watching Mitchell Robinson make 17m/year to hit 50% FTs

You’ll still be watching that - except now you’ll have no draft picks and nothing left to trade on your roster.

It's just so fascinating to me that fans of this team cannot just look at teams across the league and see that the "Trade everything for XYZ" **** doesn't really work.

It works more times than it doesn't. Our picks in 13-16 range aren't worth a damn thing. And that's where we'll be for the next 3 years if we don't add anyone else.

[KnicksNext]

do the **** math
Lets rank some of the top 25 players in the NBA and whether or not they can be traded for


1/ Luka- no
2/ Jokic - no
3/ giannis -no
4/ curry- no
5/ LeBron - no
6/ durant- yes, but cant be traded here
7/ kawhi no
8/tatum- no
9/ embiid - no
10/ booker- no
11-25/
j butler- no
ja morant - no
Donovan Mitchell -yes
siakam - no
kat- no
Brandon ingraham- no
lamello - no
Anthony davis - no
trae young - no
gobert - no
Jalen brown - no
lavine - no
jrue holiday - no
beal - no
Lillard- no



now lets say for arguments sake you dont even believe Donovan Mitchell is a top 25 player, and lets rattle off some guys:

jalen brunson -no
Tyrese halliburton- no
mikal bridges - yes
bam adebayo - no
FVV- no
vucevic - yes
John collins- yes
Darius garland- no
SGA- no
sabonis- no
Desmond bane- no
Marcus smart - no
... and tons of other guys at this level- no.

im sure im missing some guys here and there in the top 25.

So realistically you have to get into the "Mikal Bridges" level of player, around rank 40. Basically guys who are #3s on winning teams and #4-5 on championship level teams.


so exactly who else can we get thats better than Donovan Mitchell?

This is flawed logic. We dont HAVE to get Mitchell just because hes the best player available we can get right now.

Other players will become available. Chit happens all the time, and in the meantime we can make the playoffs again as a young team with all our assets.

But hey I guess it’s true, you cant rebuild in NY after all.

No one ever wants to come here. You have to figure that in as well. We finally have a chance to land a young star who WANTS to be in NY.

[KnixinSix]

do the **** math
Lets rank some of the top 25 players in the NBA and whether or not they can be traded for


1/ Luka- no
2/ Jokic - no
3/ giannis -no
4/ curry- no
5/ LeBron - no
6/ durant- yes, but cant be traded here
7/ kawhi no
8/tatum- no
9/ embiid - no
10/ booker- no
11-25/
j butler- no
ja morant - no
Donovan Mitchell -yes
siakam - no
kat- no
Brandon ingraham- no
lamello - no
Anthony davis - no
trae young - no
gobert - no
Jalen brown - no
lavine - no
jrue holiday - no
beal - no
Lillard- no



now lets say for arguments sake you dont even believe Donovan Mitchell is a top 25 player, and lets rattle off some guys:

jalen brunson -no
Tyrese halliburton- no
mikal bridges - yes
bam adebayo - no
FVV- no
vucevic - yes
John collins- yes
Darius garland- no
SGA- no
sabonis- no
Desmond bane- no
Marcus smart - no
... and tons of other guys at this level- no.

im sure im missing some guys here and there in the top 25.

So realistically you have to get into the "Mikal Bridges" level of player, around rank 40. Basically guys who are #3s on winning teams and #4-5 on championship level teams.


so exactly who else can we get thats better than Donovan Mitchell?

Thank you for posting this. Dead on. There is literally NO ONE ELSE at the level Mitchell to be had in the next 2+ years. You make a deal no matter the cost if you can add a player at Mitchell's level. Obviously I don't want to give up what it will take, but what other option does this franchise have? You're kidding yourself if you think Brunson plus Obi/IQ/Grimes are going to take us anywhere.

This is a star's league, and Mitchell is a star. And 25 years old. Make the damn deal.

This is a great post and spot on. I just hope we keep enough defense on this squad. Grimes is a perfect complement to the Brunson/Mitchell back court because of his height and 3 and D ability. I think he projects better in this regard than IQ.

[8516knicks]

We have to be willing to walk away and live to fight another day with our warchest of assets. That's the only way we get a fair deal from Ainge. You have to be willing to walk...

too many dESPERATE Knick fans yearning for that illustrious 2nd round loss...

Funny if we get Mitchell then get bounced by Atlanta 4-1 again!

And we can wait till 2031 for our next first round draft pick.

[DowNY]

I actually would give up Grimes and IQ and keep Obi if it comes down to that. We’ll have Brunson and Mitchell to score from the backcourt plus RJ. I’m happy with Grimes, but I’d miss Obi far more

Obi will still be the backup for Randle.
Who’s the scoring guards off the bench besides Rose?

[ForeverRDjazz]

I’d add a 7th pick easy if we keep IQ and Obi. Three of these picks aren’t even real.

As Jazz fan I'm good with keeping DM and retooling around him. Sounds like most NY fans willing to put in the picks but Leon isn't. Deal was on the table jazz wanted 3 picks and Leon shot it down so I really don't ever seeing the jazz knicks deal done. Must'v been player jazz wanted and Knicks won't add? I believe Paul George wanted to play with DM but not in Utah and small market. New York is more likely able to bring in Paul George players with Mitchell? But from the sounds of it you'll never know.

No cares about Mitchell or Paul George. Fck those divas. We have something special building here. Our youth have the potential to develop into something special and I'm pretty sure Ainge wanted the farm, to include Barrett. No thanks. You can keep your no defense playing chucker who can't even get along with a franchise center for the sake of winning.

RJ isn't one of the players from the sounds of it. I don't like Push off P but he's great friends with Mitchell. But Mitchell is the player that's help bring big name players in and Randle and Bronson won't lure in big names. RJ might be able in a couple years? You want a good team that'll be in playoffs each year or team that'll be playing for championships? Utah is still borderline playoff team and it's time for Danny to choose, go all in or ride the tide and know your team will be out first or second round? I can see Knicks fans want the home town boy but at what price? And is he enough for championship run? No but he's a great stone to build on. I think KD will stay with the nets if Utah makes a trade there? Ben plus picks let Ben set and do a full blow tank get a high pick next year. Mitchell is home and playing with his buddy Royce O'Neal. Jazz have options but New York has picks young talent that ain't going to win many games next year and will help land a high pick. I don't want to be trapped in the middle of a fair team next few years and I don't want to watch a group of guys get used to losing like the kings either. Good picks but never win.That's real chance even with lots of picks many never ever pan out. Mitchell is a sure fired alstar in the league today.

[Clyde_Style]

We have to be willing to walk away and live to fight another day with our warchest of assets. That's the only way we get a fair deal from Ainge. You have to be willing to walk...

too many dESPERATE Knick fans yearning for that illustrious 2nd round loss...

Funny if we get Mitchell then get bounced by Atlanta 4-1 again!

And we can wait till 2031 for our next first round draft pick.

Oooooo, let’s relive the glory days of 2013!

Sad

[Clyde_Style]

I actually would give up Grimes and IQ and keep Obi if it comes down to that. We’ll have Brunson and Mitchell to score from the backcourt plus RJ. I’m happy with Grimes, but I’d miss Obi far more

Obi will still be the backup for Randle.
Who’s the scoring guards off the bench besides Rose?

They’ll rehab Randle’s reputation this season if he doesn’t go completely mental and then they’ll trade him. Obi will take over the starting position at that time.

[dakomish23]

Look at the side of pro RJ, including some of the best analysts in basketball.

Look at the side of anti RJ, who are consistently wrong about everything.

Didn't you say you wouldn't trade Frank and Knox for Anthony Davis?

I would be a bit more humble if I were you

Please tell me when I said I wouldn't trade Frank and Knox for Anthony Davis, one of my favorite basketball players of all time.

Speaking of being humble, you're so desperate to be right after being wrong so often that you're literally making **** up. Sad and pathetic outcome CB. Sad and pathetic.

[dakomish23]

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

I was excited to see how that lineup would do.

m2 bro. absolutely.
but when a 25 year old multiple all star becomes available you have to strike..

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

I can see it from both sides. The rare times either direction can be positive for this organization.

[8516knicks]

do the **** math
Lets rank some of the top 25 players in the NBA and whether or not they can be traded for


1/ Luka- no
2/ Jokic - no
3/ giannis -no
4/ curry- no
5/ LeBron - no
6/ durant- yes, but cant be traded here
7/ kawhi no
8/tatum- no
9/ embiid - no
10/ booker- no
11-25/
j butler- no
ja morant - no
Donovan Mitchell -yes
siakam - no
kat- no
Brandon ingraham- no
lamello - no
Anthony davis - no
trae young - no
gobert - no
Jalen brown - no
lavine - no
jrue holiday - no
beal - no
Lillard- no



now lets say for arguments sake you dont even believe Donovan Mitchell is a top 25 player, and lets rattle off some guys:

jalen brunson -no
Tyrese halliburton- no
mikal bridges - yes
bam adebayo - no
FVV- no
vucevic - yes
John collins- yes
Darius garland- no
SGA- no
sabonis- no
Desmond bane- no
Marcus smart - no
... and tons of other guys at this level- no.

im sure im missing some guys here and there in the top 25.

So realistically you have to get into the "Mikal Bridges" level of player, around rank 40. Basically guys who are #3s on winning teams and #4-5 on championship level teams.


so exactly who else can we get thats better than Donovan Mitchell?

Thank you for posting this. Dead on. There is literally NO ONE ELSE at the level Mitchell to be had in the next 2+ years. You make a deal no matter the cost if you can add a player at Mitchell's level. Obviously I don't want to give up what it will take, but what other option does this franchise have? You're kidding yourself if you think Brunson plus Obi/IQ/Grimes are going to take us anywhere.

This is a star's league, and Mitchell is a star. And 25 years old. Make the damn deal.

What has Mitchell ever won? How far did Utah get with him AND ANOTHER ALL STAR, DPOY? What makes him a star? Randle was an all-star. People around here don't seem to value him so much now. Mitchell is 6'1." Now if you're talking MARKETING, okay. A star IN THAT SENSE. But be honest. If it's just about selling ticket and merch, it's understandable. But he's not leading us the the Finals.

[KnixinSix]

Alan Hahn

Here is the 3 team deal



Utah gets to move off on Conley extra year of his deal. Lakers get a starting 1 and shooting in Fournier and Cam Reddish who they were interested in for Westbrook Expiring.

Jazz get wesbtrook expiring (they can buy him out) and Grimes who they want along with 5 1st round picks from the Knicks (4 unproteced and one other pick). The lakers send out there 2027 1st as well to the jazz.

Knicks get: Spida

Jazz get: Grimes + Westbrook (buyout) + 6 1st rounders (5 from knicks + 1 from lakers).

Lakers get: Conley + Fournier + Cam Reddish

“This reduces Utah’s win total by 13”, exactly what Ainge wants to do

This is one of the best trades I've seen to date. I think it accomplishes the highest rated priorities for all 3 teams involved.

[EricAnderson]

Brunson
Grimes
RJ
Obi
Mitch

I was excited to see how that lineup would do.

m2 bro. absolutely.
but when a 25 year old multiple all star becomes available you have to strike..

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

It turned out fine because of how good he became.

Odds are extremely slim that any of our young guys will be as good as Jaylen Brown

[G_K_F]

do the **** math
Lets rank some of the top 25 players in the NBA and whether or not they can be traded for


1/ Luka- no
2/ Jokic - no
3/ giannis -no
4/ curry- no
5/ LeBron - no
6/ durant- yes, but cant be traded here
7/ kawhi no
8/tatum- no
9/ embiid - no
10/ booker- no
11-25/
j butler- no
ja morant - no
Donovan Mitchell -yes
siakam - no
kat- no
Brandon ingraham- no
lamello - no
Anthony davis - no
trae young - no
gobert - no
Jalen brown - no
lavine - no
jrue holiday - no
beal - no
Lillard- no



now lets say for arguments sake you dont even believe Donovan Mitchell is a top 25 player, and lets rattle off some guys:

jalen brunson -no
Tyrese halliburton- no
mikal bridges - yes
bam adebayo - no
FVV- no
vucevic - yes
John collins- yes
Darius garland- no
SGA- no
sabonis- no
Desmond bane- no
Marcus smart - no
... and tons of other guys at this level- no.

im sure im missing some guys here and there in the top 25.

So realistically you have to get into the "Mikal Bridges" level of player, around rank 40. Basically guys who are #3s on winning teams and #4-5 on championship level teams.


so exactly who else can we get thats better than Donovan Mitchell?

Thank you for posting this. Dead on. There is literally NO ONE ELSE at the level Mitchell to be had in the next 2+ years. You make a deal no matter the cost if you can add a player at Mitchell's level. Obviously I don't want to give up what it will take, but what other option does this franchise have? You're kidding yourself if you think Brunson plus Obi/IQ/Grimes are going to take us anywhere.

This is a star's league, and Mitchell is a star. And 25 years old. Make the damn deal.

This is a great post and spot on. I just hope we keep enough defense on this squad. Grimes is a perfect complement to the Brunson/Mitchell back court because of his height and 3 and D ability. I think he projects better in this regard than IQ.

How is it "spot on"?

Literally every offseason star players get traded. Nobody thought Durant would be available now but he is.

Anything can happen every offseason.

Hopefully the level of impatience people show on this forum doesn't translate to everyday life.

[El Poochio]

do the **** math
Lets rank some of the top 25 players in the NBA and whether or not they can be traded for


1/ Luka- no
2/ Jokic - no
3/ giannis -no
4/ curry- no
5/ LeBron - no
6/ durant- yes, but cant be traded here
7/ kawhi no
8/tatum- no
9/ embiid - no
10/ booker- no
11-25/
j butler- no
ja morant - no
Donovan Mitchell -yes
siakam - no
kat- no
Brandon ingraham- no
lamello - no
Anthony davis - no
trae young - no
gobert - no
Jalen brown - no
lavine - no
jrue holiday - no
beal - no
Lillard- no



now lets say for arguments sake you dont even believe Donovan Mitchell is a top 25 player, and lets rattle off some guys:

jalen brunson -no
Tyrese halliburton- no
mikal bridges - yes
bam adebayo - no
FVV- no
vucevic - yes
John collins- yes
Darius garland- no
SGA- no
sabonis- no
Desmond bane- no
Marcus smart - no
... and tons of other guys at this level- no.

im sure im missing some guys here and there in the top 25.

So realistically you have to get into the "Mikal Bridges" level of player, around rank 40. Basically guys who are #3s on winning teams and #4-5 on championship level teams.


so exactly who else can we get thats better than Donovan Mitchell?

This is flawed logic. We dont HAVE to get Mitchell just because hes the best player available we can get right now.

Other players will become available. Chit happens all the time, and in the meantime we can make the playoffs again as a young team with all our assets.

But hey I guess it’s true, you cant rebuild in NY after all.

No one ever wants to come here. You have to figure that in as well. We finally have a chance to land a young star who WANTS to be in NY.

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