Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[TrueWarrior]

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Depends on what those picks are.

Id give up IQ instead of Obi and then thats a pretty fair trade I suppose.

Brunson / Rose
Mitchell
RJ / Cam
Randle / Obi
Robinson / Hart

Thats a solid 9 man rotation. Rokas, Sims, and McBride waiting in the wings.

[TerrenceClarke]

Y’all dudes who want this to happen are on edge cause y’all hoping this schit get done today when there is no incentive to do so. This **** is going to drag out for a min. And twitter will have y’all dudes hanging on every tweet because of the traffic.

Y’all better relax. No amount of refreshes will make this deal happen faster.

[god shammgod]

the people thinking keeping obi is a priority are really buying into the last couple of weeks way too much. with the guys we have, you need him to play d and hit the 3 and he was no better at julius last year at those things and he played against backups. he needed that last month just to shoot the same lousy percentage from 3 as julius.

[KnicksNext]

I truly do not understand how Randle is going to work with Brunson and Mitchell. RJ needs touches too.

They really wanted Brunson, but in order to pair him with Mitchell? Really? I call BS

This is an ad hoc situation fueled by lust for a star, but none of this was planned. Sure, you can say we didn’t know Ainge was going into full rebuild mode in Utah, but our FO probably knew he was going that direction before the Gobert trade and before they signed Brunson.

The only clear plan was they wanted Brunson and they got him.

I’m not even opposed to trading for Mitchell, but how TF are you going to make Randle work in that line-up? YOU WON’T. He will be a disaster. But, yeah, ignore the issue and pretend our roster will be golden. It won’t. Mitchell might be great, but we have a serious roster construction problem with guys wanting touches and it is not resolvable. You can’t convince me Randle will willinglhy play a mostly off the ball game now and take a back seat to the backcourt. He’s going to pout and turn the locker room into a cesspool

This. If someones open to starting a thread for thoughts on how to make this work i'd be keen to hear. I know this thread is predominately targeted at the trade discussions but i'd love to see the hypotheticals on what happens in the event that Mitchell signs and RJ and Randle stay.

I genuinely don't see how it can work without RJ's development getting smashed and at that point if you're not focusing on RJ why would you be desperate to hold onto him. There's got to be some front office oversight here as Leon has shown that he looks after his own so they're not about to downgrade Brunson's role here. Brunson isn't getting traded in 6 months when he's eligible too.

Maybe they're thinking they'll move Randle at the deadline? I just cant't see how this works long term. I understand why Utah wouldn't want Randle but I can't understand why the Knicks are reportedly still so high on keeping him (if that is true of course)?

Spida's going to get his. Brunson is clearly going to get his since that was their big sell to him. RJ needs to get his otherwise whats the point.

If we get Mitchell RJ is taking a back seat. It is what it is. When you add Mitchell and Brunson, RJ's development is not nearly as important as he's not the focal point of the offense anymore. Plus, RJ could learn a ton from both of them. He still has a ton to improve upon, so let him sit back and learn from players who are far more advanced than he is.

[mpharris36]

you put those guys together in their prime and you aint getting out of the 2nd round either

and we were the 11th worst record with a horrendous season...we aren't bottoming out with Brunson and Mitchell...those picks will be mid teens to 20's.

This is what they were accumulating all these picks to do...trade them. They weren't planning on drafting anyone.

if all those picks convey, how many rookies would we have next year ?

zero we would trade them all for future protected picks

[robillionaire]

m2 bro. absolutely.
but when a 25 year old multiple all star becomes available you have to strike..

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

It turned out fine because of how good he became.

Odds are extremely slim that any of our young guys will be as good as Jaylen Brown

It didn’t turn out fine because they didn’t win a championship. Last year was a fluke season for them and they lost. That’s the logic we would apply to our team so why not apply it to Boston? They aren’t that good and they aren’t winning a championship it’s a treadmill team and they should blow it up to tank

[Ghetto Gospel]

Brunson Mitchell Randle team have so many deficiencies lol where do you start fixing that

More importantly, how does RJ fit into the offensive system with these three on the court with him? Is he going to be content with being a floor spacer bc they aren’t running the offense through 4 people.

who cares how RJ fits into that system. he's going to be the 4th best player on that team, don't be so concerned.

honestly, he's a great kid, and appears to be really low maintenance. he'll be fine getting his occasional touches and standing in the corner. he can be our little andrew wiggins

[Richard4444]

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I think 5 FRP + Evan + Grimes + Obi is a reasonable middle ground (we would save IQ, Deuce, and the 6th pick). Especially if there are only 1 or 2 unprotected picks in this package. Still very expensive for my taste. But it's not a straight robbery anymore.

[god shammgod]

Brunson Mitchell Randle team have so many deficiencies lol where do you start fixing that

More importantly, how does RJ fit into the offensive system with these three on the court with him? Is he going to be content with being a floor spacer bc they aren’t running the offense through 4 people.

who cares how RJ fits into that system. he's going to be the 4th best player on that team, don't be so concerned.

honestly, he's a great kid, and appears to be really low maintenance. he'll be fine getting his occasional touches and standing in the corner. he can be our little andrew wiggins

he's got some work to do to play d like wiggins. i doubt he can. he aint that kind of athlete.

[mpharris36]

the people thinking keeping obi is a priority are really buying into the last couple of weeks way too much. with the guys we have, you need him to play d and hit the 3 and he was no better at julius last year at those things and he played against backups. he needed that last month just to shoot the same lousy percentage from 3 as julius.

we will just bring back melo anyway

[KnicksNext]

Last thought on Randle. The man does not GAF about winning. He would pout during our victories if something went against his own personal interests during a game. Conversely, he’d often be all smiles and chirpy after a loss if he had big numbers. The guy is an effing loser.

If you want to bring in Mitchell, you better have a plan for getting Randle off this squad or chit is going to get ugly here. Randle is a time bomb. He is incapable of sharing the spotlight. When RJ took over the leadership role Randle went into a funk he never recovered from. He will loathe the attention Mitchell gets. Ignore at your own peril

I don't disagree, but it's going to have to work and that's that. If Randle pulls his same crap he pulls the same crap. That doesn't mean you don't go get Mitchell.

Plus (for some damn reason), this FO LOVES Randle. I don't know why, but they do. Thibs let him get away with murder last year with zero consequences for his horrendous attitude.

The good thing is now we'd have two players that are far better than Randle on the team. If he decides to be a complete ass again, we'll have two other leaders on the team to try to put him in his place.

Now that I think about it, maybe we should save one of these 1sts so we can unload Randle.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It’ll be a tough climb for the Knicks whether they do or don’t make the trade. They are probably set up better to make the deal, consolidate a bunch of assets and get a legit top 20, #1 option type player. They have been building for that moment. I would have rather seen them rebuild thru the draft, but that ship has sailed and they have been ignoring that route for 20+ years so it isn’t happening

[El Poochio]

Since when did having two playmaking guards become a bad thing? Brunson showed he could play off the ball well in Dallas too. and DM is a willing passer

Spida is not a pg.

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Brunson is no playmaker either he calls his own number and scores on his own

[god shammgod]

the people thinking keeping obi is a priority are really buying into the last couple of weeks way too much. with the guys we have, you need him to play d and hit the 3 and he was no better at julius last year at those things and he played against backups. he needed that last month just to shoot the same lousy percentage from 3 as julius.

we will just bring back melo anyway

melo plays the same horrible d as obi but his 3s will go in at least at a good percentage

[2010]

The Jazz wanted the Knicks to send six first-round picks, in addition to Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin.

If I was Leon Rose, if they remove Obi that’s triggerpullable.

Cuz if Spida comes, Grimes and IQ ain’t really gonna be able to play anyway.

I would be ecstatic to keep RJ, Cam, and Obi.

[KnicksNext]

Last thought on Randle. The man does not GAF about winning. He would pout during our victories if something went against his own personal interests during a game. Conversely, he’d often be all smiles and chirpy after a loss if he had big numbers. The guy is an effing loser.

If you want to bring in Mitchell, you better have a plan for getting Randle off this squad or chit is going to get ugly here. Randle is a time bomb. Ignore at your own peril

Facts, Randle was the WORST Knick teammate I have ever seen in my 30+ years of Knicks fandom. He's garbage. And now imagine his behavior to becoming possibly the FOURTH option behind Mitchell, RJ and Brunson. This is a recipe for disaster. Man couldn't even handle the occasional good Founier game.

But what should we do? Allow the piece of crap Randle to dictate what moves we make? We're stuck with him either way so we might as well improve the team around him.

[Ghetto Gospel]

More importantly, how does RJ fit into the offensive system with these three on the court with him? Is he going to be content with being a floor spacer bc they aren’t running the offense through 4 people.

who cares how RJ fits into that system. he's going to be the 4th best player on that team, don't be so concerned.

honestly, he's a great kid, and appears to be really low maintenance. he'll be fine getting his occasional touches and standing in the corner. he can be our little andrew wiggins

he's got some work to do to play d like wiggins. i doubt he can. he aint that kind of athlete.

thats fine, i agree, its why i said little andrew wiggins

[Meat]

Brunson Mitchell Randle team have so many deficiencies lol where do you start fixing that

More importantly, how does RJ fit into the offensive system with these three on the court with him? Is he going to be content with being a floor spacer bc they aren’t running the offense through 4 people.

who cares how RJ fits into that system. he's going to be the 4th best player on that team, don't be so concerned.

honestly, he's a great kid, and appears to be really low maintenance. he'll be fine getting his occasional touches and standing in the corner. he can be our little andrew wiggins

RJ is going to do what rj has done all this time, improve in the summer and play well. He'll prob have way more energy for defense and hopefully make some all nba defense teams averaging 15-19

[GONYK]

It’ll be a tough climb for the Knicks whether they do or don’t make the trade. They are probably set up better to make the deal, consolidate a bunch of assets and get a legit top 20, #1 option type player. They have been building for that moment. I would have rather seen them rebuild thru the draft, but that ship has sailed and they have been ignoring that route for 20+ years so it isn’t happening

The Knicks did rebuild through the draft. That's why we're in position to make this trade.

[TrueWarrior]

the people thinking keeping obi is a priority are really buying into the last couple of weeks way too much. with the guys we have, you need him to play d and hit the 3 and he was no better at julius last year at those things and he played against backups. he needed that last month just to shoot the same lousy percentage from 3 as julius.

Obi doesnt dominate the ball and changes our pace tho. Wed need some athleticism. Sure he needs to keep improving his jumper and defense, but guys like him that can get 20 efficiently while barely touching the rock for more than a second are valuable alongside stars.

Julius would basically need to play more like Obi for him to work here with Mitchell. Hes just not as good an off ball player though.