Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[Chanel Bomber]

Didn't you say you wouldn't trade Frank and Knox for Anthony Davis?

I would be a bit more humble if I were you

Please tell me when I said I wouldn't trade Frank and Knox for Anthony Davis, one of my favorite basketball players of all time.

Speaking of being humble, you're so desperate to be right after being wrong so often that you're literally making **** up. Sad and pathetic outcome CB. Sad and pathetic.

It was a question. Maybe you forgot the meaning of a question mark.

So first things first, what have I been wrong about with regards to the Knicks? Not saying I've always been right, but go ahead and list the things I have been wrong about. Not that I care.

You were wrong about the following:
- KP
- Frank
- Knox
- 2/3rds wrong about Randle

I don't mock you for it, for everybody has their misses, but I don't value people with unresolved anger issues who call others sad and pathetic online. But I also understand that there's often a lot of self-projection when people angrily cast aspersions like you do. I would also be tight and frustrated if I were constantly wrong about every young player on the Knicks.

[mpharris36]

It’ll be a tough climb for the Knicks whether they do or don’t make the trade. They are probably set up better to make the deal, consolidate a bunch of assets and get a legit top 20, #1 option type player. They have been building for that moment. I would have rather seen them rebuild thru the draft, but that ship has sailed and they have been ignoring that route for 20+ years so it isn’t happening

This is it...the rebuilding through the draft window is over...they doubled down on going this route by signing brunson who makes it even less likely we can get into the top 10 to get a difference maker.

Get Mitchell and then maybe you are a player down the road for a FA if you prove you are one piece away.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Mitchell would be the #1 option. I don’t really see a clear #2, #3, #4. Think it’ll be more of an even split and game by game thing depending on matchups and who is hot.

Brunson will handle the ball more, but may end up 4th in fga per game on the team.

[robillionaire]

Since when did having two playmaking guards become a bad thing? Brunson showed he could play off the ball well in Dallas too. and DM is a willing passer

Spida is not a pg.

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Brunson is no playmaker either he calls his own number and scores on his own

Good thing we have our point forward in Randle

[KnicksNext]

Even though we all know Randle is the third wheel after getting Mitchell, I would not be surprised to hear if Rose/FO/Thibs are telling Randle that he's still our #1 guy. I would actually lean towards this being true. They know how fragile his ego is, so they probably needed to sooth it before they did any of this.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Here is the 3 team deal



Utah gets to move off on Conley extra year of his deal. Lakers get a starting 1 and shooting in Fournier and Cam Reddish who they were interested in for Westbrook Expiring.

Jazz get wesbtrook expiring (they can buy him out) and Grimes who they want along with 5 1st round picks from the Knicks (4 unproteced and one other pick). The lakers send out there 2027 1st as well to the jazz.

Knicks get: Spida

Jazz get: Grimes + Westbrook (buyout) + 6 1st rounders (5 from knicks + 1 from lakers).

Lakers get: Conley + Fournier + Cam Reddish

Knicks don't want to give up 3 picks why would they give up 5 picks? Jazz can get picks for Conley anytime and doesn't want a washed up vet Westbrook if they take RJ and couple picks for NY is there? Don't see the jazz waiving and player making 46 million a year or chance winning games for teen pick next year. See Lakers loving the deal and NY.

Knicks will absolutely give up 5 picks...they don't want to give up 6 picks with Grimes/Obi/IQ. If Obi and IQ aren't in the deal the knicks will give 5 picks.

And why wouldn't the jazz want to move off of Conley's 20+ million for nothing next year? Conley doesn't have a huge market at that price point...and no they can't move conley for picks anytime they wanted. Who is banging down the door for a soon to be 35 year old PG that makes over 20 MM?

They would buy out westbrook. AInge wants picks and he wants to tank and then he moves extra money off the books next year so he books are totally clean. This is exactly what Ainge wants...expiring contracts, a ton of future unprotected picks, and he gets Grimes with Shams stated was a player they are interest in.

I think Lakers and couple other teams have talked about Conley this year but I believe Jazz owner and Conley are really close and want to keep him here. Conley most likely have a job with the Jazz after playing ball. I'd take young players and picks but nothing to do with Westbrook. Surprise when I read Leon backed out with only 3 picks on the table. If that's true a Mitchell knicks deal will never happen.

[Meat]

Last thought on Randle. The man does not GAF about winning. He would pout during our victories if something went against his own personal interests during a game. Conversely, he’d often be all smiles and chirpy after a loss if he had big numbers. The guy is an effing loser.

If you want to bring in Mitchell, you better have a plan for getting Randle off this squad or chit is going to get ugly here. Randle is a time bomb. Ignore at your own peril

Facts, Randle was the WORST Knick teammate I have ever seen in my 30+ years of Knicks fandom. He's garbage. And now imagine his behavior to becoming possibly the FOURTH option behind Mitchell, RJ and Brunson. This is a recipe for disaster. Man couldn't even handle the occasional good Founier game.

But what should we do? Allow the piece of crap Randle to dictate what moves we make? We're stuck with him either way so we might as well improve the team around him.

Not around randle, on top of him, he gets pushed own and his voice becomes less relevant. Randle is gonna adjust or get shipped out, the fo wont give a **** about him when the backcourt is averaging 45-50 pts and selling jerseys

[mpharris36]

Mitchell would be the #1 option. I don’t really see a clear #2, #3, #4. Think it’ll be more of an even split and game by game thing depending on matchups and who is hot.

Brunson will handle the ball more, but may end up 4th in fga per game on the team.

less shots and more EFF for RJ and Randle is good thing...can they play enough defense to make them worthy 3rd and 4th options has yet to be seen.

[3toheadmelo]

the people thinking keeping obi is a priority are really buying into the last couple of weeks way too much. with the guys we have, you need him to play d and hit the 3 and he was no better at julius last year at those things and he played against backups. he needed that last month just to shoot the same lousy percentage from 3 as julius.

bye obi

[Meat]

Even though we all know Randle is the third wheel after getting Mitchell, I would not be surprised to hear if Rose/FO/Thibs are telling Randle that he's still our #1 guy. I would actually lean towards this being true. They know how fragile his ego is, so they probably needed to sooth it before they did any of this.

that's almost certainly the opposite of what is happening,

[The Lamma]

I need to go to an AA meeting at this point. (Ainge Anxiety)

[GONYK]

It’ll be a tough climb for the Knicks whether they do or don’t make the trade. They are probably set up better to make the deal, consolidate a bunch of assets and get a legit top 20, #1 option type player. They have been building for that moment. I would have rather seen them rebuild thru the draft, but that ship has sailed and they have been ignoring that route for 20+ years so it isn’t happening

This is it...the rebuilding through the draft window is over...they doubled down on going this route by signing brunson who makes it even less likely we can get into the top 10 to get a difference maker.

Get Mitchell and then maybe you are a player down the road for a FA if you prove you are one piece away.

What does rebuilding through the draft even mean?

Our roster has 7 players that we drafted on it. All the picks we have was from draft maneuvering.

The draft was absolutely the vehicle utilized most to reshape the roster and build out our asset base, even if we didn't tank.

[DowNY]

It’ll be a tough climb for the Knicks whether they do or don’t make the trade. They are probably set up better to make the deal, consolidate a bunch of assets and get a legit top 20, #1 option type player. They have been building for that moment. I would have rather seen them rebuild thru the draft, but that ship has sailed and they have been ignoring that route for 20+ years so it isn’t happening

The Knicks did rebuild through the draft. That's why we're in position to make this trade.

This.
RJ
Quick
Obi
Grimes
McBride
Mitch
Sims
All these draft picks
Even Cam (a spawn of Knox)

All through the draft for us

[sol537]

It would be Mitchell as the #1 option with Brunson, Randle, and RJ rotating the #2/#3/#4 roles depending on who's hot on a particular day and match-ups. A good problem to have if they all buy in.

[3toheadmelo]

I need to go to an AA meeting at this point. (Ainge Anxiety)

[whocares1]

More importantly, how does RJ fit into the offensive system with these three on the court with him? Is he going to be content with being a floor spacer bc they aren’t running the offense through 4 people.

who cares how RJ fits into that system. he's going to be the 4th best player on that team, don't be so concerned.

honestly, he's a great kid, and appears to be really low maintenance. he'll be fine getting his occasional touches and standing in the corner. he can be our little andrew wiggins

he's got some work to do to play d like wiggins. i doubt he can. he aint that kind of athlete.

If that’s how we feel then why should we keep him? Like if he’s going to be the Grimes of the team then why not just keep Grimes who is better in that role? Like whats the point of giving up the extra assets to keep RJ if he’s going to be the 4th option.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

No you don't.

The Celtics passed on trading Brown for PG13 after his rookie year, turned out fine for them.

It turned out fine because of how good he became.

Odds are extremely slim that any of our young guys will be as good as Jaylen Brown

It didn’t turn out fine because they didn’t win a championship. Last year was a fluke season for them and they lost. That’s the logic we would apply to our team so why not apply it to Boston? They aren’t that good and they aren’t winning a championship it’s a treadmill team and they should blow it up to tank

No, it turned out fine, they're a championship contender and have been a staple in the Eastern conference finals since 2018. The funny part is Mitchell is the same age as Brown and older than Tatum, you all will be saying "Well, maybe we can get____ in free agecy" after this trade because you all know it wont be enough, the same old song.

[Capn'O]

Good that we walked away. Don't let Ainge get everything. He needs us. He can move his demands down. If we rejoin the talks and make the move.

First off: I still think Mitch is a bad fit (It poses similar challenges to Melo/Stat and Franbury. Oh wellsky.)
and we'll have a hard time building a contender around him because we'll:

1. Be capped out
2. With few movable assets
3. And by that same token have limited shots in the draft

So the three ways of building a team - draft, trade, and free agency will be limited. It will limit us to exceptions signings, a pick every other year, and lateral moves - player for player roughly - to improve fit. With some creative moves around the fringes we can start to restock the asset pool for sweeteners in trades or potential draft steals.



That said, one difference between now and the Melo trade is that we're relatively asset rich now. We've got a number of players on the upside of their career and a large cadre of picks to move. Internal development could still be possible after this trade and we'll only have a few positions to fill. Brass needs to figure out what capital we'll need remaining to build the team out to make sure those distant picks - and there will be those - don't bite us in the ass the way they did the Nets. Don't immediately make the next trade. Restock the pool with late firsts and decent 2nds as possible and climb the ladder again. Maybe somebody wants McBride or Sims. Those kind of pieces can go for future capital.

[robillionaire]

the people thinking keeping obi is a priority are really buying into the last couple of weeks way too much. with the guys we have, you need him to play d and hit the 3 and he was no better at julius last year at those things and he played against backups. he needed that last month just to shoot the same lousy percentage from 3 as julius.

bye obi

Toxic Backup QB fandom it’s time take your talents to salt lake!

[El Poochio]

It’ll be a tough climb for the Knicks whether they do or don’t make the trade. They are probably set up better to make the deal, consolidate a bunch of assets and get a legit top 20, #1 option type player. They have been building for that moment. I would have rather seen them rebuild thru the draft, but that ship has sailed and they have been ignoring that route for 20+ years so it isn’t happening

This is it...the rebuilding through the draft window is over...they doubled down on going this route by signing brunson who makes it even less likely we can get into the top 10 to get a difference maker.

Get Mitchell and then maybe you are a player down the road for a FA if you prove you are one piece away.

What does rebuilding through the draft even mean?

Our roster has 7 players that we drafted on it. All the picks we have was from draft maneuvering.

The draft was absolutely the vehicle utilized most to reshape the roster and build out our asset base, even if we didn't tank.

And you got Brunson Mitchell Randle Mitch team to show for it? Yikes!!! Never rebuild through the draft again folks!!!