Off-Season Volume 6 - The One Where Someone (Darius Days) Signs

[Dadouv47]

It's hard to know what Presti wants at this stage. Based on the previous deal we made where we traded them KZ Okpala for a 2nd rounder and removal of protections on our 2023 and 2024 pick to just now being a 2025 top 16 protected or 2026 unprotected if not conveyed.

I would wonder if he'd take Jovic and 1 or 2 2nds for our 2025 pick back.

Jovic seems like a Presti type pick in the mould of Poku/Chet, plus the fact that he's only 19yo doesn't really make any sense with our timeline. Wouldn't surprise me if that pick was made with them in mind or with their approval knowing that we'd need to make this trade.

I like Jovic but we lack roster spots and we didn't try to move up in the draft with 30 and 34 (before trading 30) so it's unlikely he's a guy Presti love that much. I would rather keep the Miami pick tbh...could maybe get a deal if Miami takes a bad expiring contract from us.

Could do something like,

OKC get Jovic and 1 2nd, shed 8mil salary
BKN get Herro, Lowry, Favors, 4FRPs and swaps
Miami get Durant

Miami would likely need to find a way to shed some more salary so we aren't hard capped. Maybe throw a 4th team in there to re-route Lowry.

I would rather just keep the pick but your offer is fair value wise for OKC.

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[puppa bear]

It's hard to know what Presti wants at this stage. Based on the previous deal we made where we traded them KZ Okpala for a 2nd rounder and removal of protections on our 2023 and 2024 pick to just now being a 2025 top 16 protected or 2026 unprotected if not conveyed.

I would wonder if he'd take Jovic and 1 or 2 2nds for our 2025 pick back.

Jovic seems like a Presti type pick in the mould of Poku/Chet, plus the fact that he's only 19yo doesn't really make any sense with our timeline. Wouldn't surprise me if that pick was made with them in mind or with their approval knowing that we'd need to make this trade.

I like Jovic but we lack roster spots and we didn't try to move up in the draft with 30 and 34 (before trading 30) so it's unlikely he's a guy Presti love that much. I would rather keep the Miami pick tbh...could maybe get a deal if Miami takes a bad expiring contract from us.

Could do something like,

OKC get Jovic and 1 2nd, shed 8mil salary
BKN get Herro, Lowry, Favors, 4FRPs and swaps
Miami get Durant

Miami would likely need to find a way to shed some more salary so we aren't hard capped. Maybe throw a 4th team in there to re-route Lowry.

I think the final form with be 4- or 5-teams. Heat, Nets & OKC are definitely the first three (we need the protections lifted, or another pick to send out in its place). Mavs, Spurs and Pacers are all possibilities for the next slot or two. Pacers have been left hold a bag of nothing and need to make some more moves before camp, otherwise their roster looks a mess. Mavs wanted Lowry last season, and may still be willing to part with a pick to get him.

The other side of a multi-team trade is that we will also get players back to fill out our roster as well. They will not be as desirable as what we send out, but there will still be some pieces to help cobble together some form of depth.

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[heater4life]

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[Spo COY]

I think Kyle Lowry is currently viewed as a negative asset and the Heat will need to wait and hope he's in shape this season to increase his value. Nobody will give up anything for him on that contract until it's expiring next season. Whether it's fair to him or not, he was not good in the playoffs and I think teams are worried that he's washed at this point.

[greg4012]

If any player in the NBA tears their hamstring in round 1 of the playoffs, they’re gonna be ****. It sucks it happened but healthy Lowry is not the player we saw in the playoffs.

[AirP.]

Herro vs Mitchell, age 22:

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=herroty01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=mitchdo01&p2yrfrom=2019

For those wondering, first round exit shooting 32.1% from the field, 24.6% from 3, 4.2 topg against Houston.

You can alternatively look at Mitchell's 3rd season vs Herro's, if you prefer that to age. If you look at their stats per min, they are quite similar:

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=herroty01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id2=mitchdo01&p2yrfrom=2020

Obviously in different roles. Also playoffs wise, Mitchell killed it.

Not trying to state anything here, just curious to look after a post above

Michell is definitely the better player and likely will be throughout his career but this is why I find the constant disrespect against Herro from Heat fans to be so weird. Young guys all struggle in the playoffs. Give Herro a team where he's able to take the reigns and be free to make mistakes and he will put up numbers. His teams likely won't be winning much at this point but he will flourish more in an environment like that.

Miami are about sacrificing for the sake of winning, they made him take a bench role as that was the best decision for us to be a winning team now.

Because he wasn't a starter which means he didn't play against starter level players as much even though he played 30+ min?

We can look at Herro's starter stats to see how big of a difference it made.

3rd season as a starter (10 games)...
36.8 min 20.5 pts, 5.4 reb, 4.4 ast <- as a starter he got his numbers but...
37% fg%, 30% 3pt%, 95 ortg, 114 drtg <- This is where the issues are.
which incredibly look a lot like his last 2 playoffs where starters play more meaning backups out there less to go against.
2nd year - 31% fg%, 31% 3pt%, 92 ortg, 119 drtg (4 games)
3rd year - 41% fg%, 23% 3pt%, 97 ortg, 108 drtg (15 games)

Herro looked much better in his playoff role as a catch and shoot SG his rookie season vs now having the ball in his hands and getting to do whatever he wants.

There are signs that it's possible that Herro can be a good high scoring player in the NBA but there's also a lot of signs that he won't be. This is probably why so many GMs look at Herro differently, if you're more desperate for talent you may be more willing to take a chance on Herro.

[DayofMourning]

Was reading a Jazz fan complaining about not getting a centerpiece player in the Rudy deal. That was something. 5 1st round picks and they felt short changed.

[Vertical Limit]

Ughhh either way i hope this ends soon so that if we strike out on the whales its awkward as hell in training camp with everybody in their feelings lol

Pat won't let Durant get away.

That may be true but everyday is more clear we dont have enough.

If Herro showed up in the playoffs, this trade would have been a wrap by now.

If we strike out on everyone, we needa try to make this kid look like an all star and sell high.. not a very high ceiling and IMO has already peaked

With our luck hes gonna start the season like Jovic started summer league

[Vertical Limit]

Was reading a Jazz fan complaining about not getting a centerpiece player in the Rudy deal. That was something. 5 1st round picks and they felt short changed.

Who did they think they were gonna get, anthony edwards?

[AirP.]

Was reading a Jazz fan complaining about not getting a centerpiece player in the Rudy deal. That was something. 5 1st round picks and they felt short changed.

Who did they think they were gonna get, anthony edwards?

They got Minnesota’s 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029 first round picks (plus Walker who they took this year in the 1st round). Gobert's 30, at his size he should be able to do what he's been doing up till 2027, Minnesota should still have Edwards that whole time and could have Towns most of those years, those picks are mostly going to be meh unless they hit on someone (which is possible) later in the draft. It's tough, even if you moved Gobert to a bad team now that we'd expect to be a lottery team for the next 2-4 years, just adding a guy like Gobert may lift them out of the lottery.

Personally, I'd rather get fewer draft picks if I can get a top 5 or top 7 pick to get a new young talent, I might be able to build around. That window is quite small between the draft position lottery and the actual draft and you're talking a multi team trade to probably make the trade make sense unless the Kings are the team you're trading with. It's incredible how much owners matter since they can override all decisions.

[DayofMourning]

Was reading a Jazz fan complaining about not getting a centerpiece player in the Rudy deal. That was something. 5 1st round picks and they felt short changed.

Who did they think they were gonna get, anthony edwards?

IDK man. If they got two 1st rounders then they could expect some other type of return. 5 1st rounders is a top tier return.

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[Vertical Limit]

Question, is there a team out there that would trade a first round pick for Herro? And how many draft picks would be the compensation to acquire him?

[puppa bear]

I think Kyle Lowry is currently viewed as a negative asset and the Heat will need to wait and hope he's in shape this season to increase his value. Nobody will give up anything for him on that contract until it's expiring next season. Whether it's fair to him or not, he was not good in the playoffs and I think teams are worried that he's washed at this point.

I’d say he has a limited market. His combination of win-now and cost narrows the pool if interested buyers. His performance in the regular season showed his ability to carry a team at times, so I don’t think any team is afraid he’s washed.

They will be leery of paying too high a price with the injury risk, but being fitter at the start of the season and not having those big blocks away from the game will also help.

[puppa bear]

Question, is there a team out there that would trade a first round pick for Herro? And how many draft picks would be the compensation to acquire him?

It would likely only be a couple, because the team getting him would be in a rebuilding phase. Teams would see him as 2-3 years away from prime, so they’d be looking to have 1-2 more “rebuilding” season. Unless they had a good collection of player but just needed a slinger.

[Joey Bada]

Was reading a Jazz fan complaining about not getting a centerpiece player in the Rudy deal. That was something. 5 1st round picks and they felt short changed.

Who did they think they were gonna get, anthony edwards?

IDK man. If they got two 1st rounders then they could expect some other type of return. 5 1st rounders is a top tier return.

They know the truth about Danny Ainges drafting. If he’s not picking top 6, the picks are likely to bust.

Those first rounders could easily be the next fab Melo, jarad sullinger, Lucas nogueira, James young, RJ Hunter, ante zizec, Guerschon Yabusele, Romeo Langford, or Aaron nesmith.

And that’s just off the top of my head

[contract]

I think Kyle Lowry is currently viewed as a negative asset and the Heat will need to wait and hope he's in shape this season to increase his value. Nobody will give up anything for him on that contract until it's expiring next season. Whether it's fair to him or not, he was not good in the playoffs and I think teams are worried that he's washed at this point.

I’d say he has a limited market. His combination of win-now and cost narrows the pool if interested buyers. His performance in the regular season showed his ability to carry a team at times, so I don’t think any team is afraid he’s washed.

They will be leery of paying too high a price with the injury risk, but being fitter at the start of the season and not having those big blocks away from the game will also help.

Lowry is 36. At that age last years productive turns into this years washed real quick. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Lowry starts the season in the best shape of his life and his legs are shot and unable to recover by the time the season is done. And that's not even factoring the increased risk of injury that comes with age.

Next year he may work as an expiring contract to even salaries in a trade. But I think this year we're probably going to have to go to war with him.