Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[KnixinSix]

Given what he's shown in summer league and what we know about the other offers Grimes and RJ should be off the table IMO.

With Don here, IQs archetype becomes less valuable to us and Obi will still be a bench piece. You could then bump Cam to backup 3/4 and next year or at the deadline try to target some shooting wing depth to replace Fournier.

Cueing Chanel here I wish we still.had Burks.. He'd be a nice wing piece to have with RJ, Grimes and Cam

Thought I was the only one that felt like this about IQ. I like him but he’s expendable now with Brunson and then Mitchell here. We’d need to keep Grimes since he has more size and I feel like he might even have better scoring potential/overall impact than IQ

Grimes is the preferrable over IQ. However both are a bit taller and project as half decent or better defensively and can hit the 3. So keep one.

[F N 11]

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Yes then if the team don’t work out trade everybody for assets.

[El Poochio]

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[louisorr]

now Ainge is playing hard ball with trading Beverly-(a throw in from the Gobert haul)-I hate this man. Please Knicks just walk away.

What does this mean

New rumor he don’t want to Throw in Beverly?

no, no. nothing new. nothing to see here.
just that ainge wants to get significant assets for beverly from the lakers even after the fact that he was basically a throw in, just confirms that there's no winning a deal with this guy. Im just saying I'm ready to walk away from this Mitchell thing because of Ainge. why do business with a scoundrel. there will be other stars available down the road for a haul this size.
but carry on...

[newyorker4ever]

Brunson
Mitchell
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Is more help Mitchell has than Melo ever got. Just do the deal. IQ, Obi, Mcbride is replaceable. Will suck losing grimes but he’s not a dealbreaker

imo we need to keep IQ.

having a proven NBA-level bench guy who can put up 10pts is really important.

I have trouble giving up either one of IQ and Grimes and love Obi because of the whole he's a New Yorker and wants to be here and the kid has shown he can play. I think i have Grimes as the top guy of the 3 that i want to keep but IQ brings so much and really started showing good growth as a PG last year when he started getting serious minutes there and this is from someone that's been saying the whole time that IQ isn't a PG and is a really good 6th man/combo guard.

This is my thought on if we make the trade for DMitch but end up keeping at least one of the 3 of Grimes/IQ/Obi and of course RJ.

With that back court of Brunson and DMitch i think RJ isn't the best fit at SF with them and someone that's more of a 3-D player is a much better fit with those two in the back court. Even though i love RJ would it be better for fit to then turn around and trade RJ for a better fit at SF? I would look into trading RJ to Toronto for OG Anunoby and either Otto Porter or Malachi Flynn. Porter would be nice because he's also a SF that's more of a 3-D type player but that might be too much for them to give for RJ so we could use Reddish as the backup there and get Flynn.

PG--Brunson
SG--DMitch
SF--OG.Anunoby
PF--J.Randle
C---MRob

Like i said i love RJ and want him here but if we're going for it than we need a better shooter and defender at SF IMO.

[8516knicks]

Would be to see what people here think getting Donovan Mitchell does for us. We knew (prior to Brunson) that just RJ, Randle and Mitch top end is 1st round exit or just play-in (if Randle behaves). With Brunson top might be 6th seed? Anplprobable though not definite playoffs proper. Maybeeeee 2nd round. If we have to give up the farm to get him, does Mitchell get us the ECF? If not, why are we giving up so much, esp 2023 picks?

[3toheadmelo]

Brunson
Mitchell
RJ/Cam
Randle
Mitch

Is more help Mitchell has than Melo ever got. Just do the deal. IQ, Obi, Mcbride is replaceable. Will suck losing grimes but he’s not a dealbreaker

Can not wait for the Mitchell vs Melo threads

Melo will be here playing with Mitchell

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

That this FO has that option is a hedge against overpaying for DM. They can legit say to Ainge's face we do have strong SG options now so we are not dependent on this deal happening if you keep trying to fleece us.

This front office (and fans on here) has FOMO more than anything else, always wanting to take the short cut that leads exactly to where they say they don't want us to be. Those Grimes stats include the game where he got hurt and had a donut, Ainge has made him a centerpiece of a trade for a reason, because they know if he starts he'll outplay his contract, these idiots should really ask themselves why Ainge is pressing so hard for him. If he turns out to be a more efficient Dillion Brooks type of player you keep that and look at cashing it in down the road.

[Knicksrule2k4]

So far, it seems no one has offered the type of massive package the Jazz are seeking, Larsen noted in a tweet.

He wrote of a potential Knicks deal, the Jazz are seeking, more picks, an/or pick swaps, as well as Quentin Grimes. From the Heat, Larsen wrote, the Jazz would want more picks and Max Strus.

[god shammgod]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

That this FO has that option is a hedge against overpaying for DM. They can legit say to Ainge's face we do have strong SG options now so we are not dependent on this deal happening if you keep trying to fleece us.

This front office (and fans on here) has FOMO more than anything else, always wanting to take the short cut that leads exactly to where they say they don't want us to be. Those Grimes stats include the game where he got hurt and had a donut, Ainge has made him a centerpiece of a trade for a reason, because they know if he starts he'll outplay his contract, these idiots should really ask themselves why Ainge is pressing so hard for him. If he turns out to be a more efficient Dillion Brooks type of player you keep that and look at cashing it in down the road.

we actually don't know he's pressing hard for him. he seems to be pressing for everything he can get....except rj

[newyorker4ever]

Given what he's shown in summer league and what we know about the other offers Grimes and RJ should be off the table IMO.

With Don here, IQs archetype becomes less valuable to us and Obi will still be a bench piece. You could then bump Cam to backup 3/4 and next year or at the deadline try to target some shooting wing depth to replace Fournier.

Cueing Chanel here I wish we still.had Burks.. He'd be a nice wing piece to have with RJ, Grimes and Cam

Thought I was the only one that felt like this about IQ. I like him but he’s expendable now with Brunson and then Mitchell here. We’d need to keep Grimes since he has more size and I feel like he might even have better scoring potential/overall impact than IQ

So who's your backup PG if we trade IQ and DRose to make the money work?? You trying to get Beverley or Conley back with DMitch? Please don't say McBride!?

[robillionaire]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

That this FO has that option is a hedge against overpaying for DM. They can legit say to Ainge's face we do have strong SG options now so we are not dependent on this deal happening if you keep trying to fleece us.

This front office (and fans on here) has FOMO more than anything else, always wanting to take the short cut that leads exactly to where they say they don't want us to be. Those Grimes stats include the game where he got hurt and had a donut, Ainge has made him a centerpiece of a trade for a reason, because they know if he starts he'll outplay his contract, these idiots should really ask themselves why Ainge is pressing so hard for him. If he turns out to be a more efficient Dillion Brooks type of player you keep that and look at cashing it in down the road.

Being afraid that we will miss out on draft pick saviors and mythical kid breakouts that will hopefully serve as shortcuts to real team building (like they are doing now) is also a form of FOMO

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That this FO has that option is a hedge against overpaying for DM. They can legit say to Ainge's face we do have strong SG options now so we are not dependent on this deal happening if you keep trying to fleece us.

This front office (and fans on here) has FOMO more than anything else, always wanting to take the short cut that leads exactly to where they say they don't want us to be. Those Grimes stats include the game where he got hurt and had a donut, Ainge has made him a centerpiece of a trade for a reason, because they know if he starts he'll outplay his contract, these idiots should really ask themselves why Ainge is pressing so hard for him. If he turns out to be a more efficient Dillion Brooks type of player you keep that and look at cashing it in down the road.

we actually don't know he's pressing hard for him. he seems to be pressing for everything he can get....except rj

RJ's perception matters not, you being upset and having to watch ROW-J for the next 5 years is worth it, cause I know if it gets bad you'll say you're going to the store for newports

[Polk377]

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Yes then if the team don’t work out trade everybody for assets.

Exactly. Keeping the players makes this team a competitor. Giving 3-4 of those guys up leaves us shallow in depth. If everything works out then the Knicks wont lose sleep over late 1st round picks, pick swaps or 1sts we picked up from other teams to get a player like Mitchell. If things don't work out you still have young players with value that can help add on to the team overall vs minimum salary guys you would have to pick up off the scrap heap to fill out the team.

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[El Poochio]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

That this FO has that option is a hedge against overpaying for DM. They can legit say to Ainge's face we do have strong SG options now so we are not dependent on this deal happening if you keep trying to fleece us.

This front office (and fans on here) has FOMO more than anything else, always wanting to take the short cut that leads exactly to where they say they don't want us to be. Those Grimes stats include the game where he got hurt and had a donut, Ainge has made him a centerpiece of a trade for a reason, because they know if he starts he'll outplay his contract, these idiots should really ask themselves why Ainge is pressing so hard for him. If he turns out to be a more efficient Dillion Brooks type of player you keep that and look at cashing it in down the road.

Being afraid that we will miss out on draft pick saviors and mythical kid breakouts that will hopefully serve as shortcuts to real team building (like they are doing now) is also a form of FOMO

You had FOMO about making the playoffs, swore it would be a good thing, it wasn't. You want Mitchell at the expense of pretty much every asset we have, you will be wrong there too, and we'll be 1 player away from the UK singularity which is the only positive.

[robillionaire]

This front office (and fans on here) has FOMO more than anything else, always wanting to take the short cut that leads exactly to where they say they don't want us to be. Those Grimes stats include the game where he got hurt and had a donut, Ainge has made him a centerpiece of a trade for a reason, because they know if he starts he'll outplay his contract, these idiots should really ask themselves why Ainge is pressing so hard for him. If he turns out to be a more efficient Dillion Brooks type of player you keep that and look at cashing it in down the road.

Being afraid that we will miss out on draft pick saviors and mythical kid breakouts that will hopefully serve as shortcuts to real team building (like they are doing now) is also a form of FOMO

You had FOMO about making the playoffs, swore it would be a good thing, it wasn't. You want Mitchell at the expense of pretty much every asset we have, you will be wrong there too, and we'll be 1 player away from the UK singularity which is the only positive.

It was a good thing, look at the success in luring players here they are now having

[Bob Ross]

The longer this drags out, the greater the possibility of another team swooping in and trading for Mitchell

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It makes more sense for a team like the Magic to do this considering their depth of young players and the fact they have future star Paolo.