Fantasy Trade Thread

[the_process]

If we just had Bertans and THJ instead of Tobias we'd have a championship by now (this is how illogical we've gotten with the Tobias thing at this point)

This is not the argument.

[youngcrev]

If we just had Bertans and THJ instead of Tobias we'd have a championship by now (this is how illogical we've gotten with the Tobias thing at this point)

This is not the argument.

Sure, it's a slightly exaggerated version of it.

[Roddy B for 3]

Can a trade around Harris and Thybulle for H. Barnes be worked out?

Barnes + Holmes for Tobias + Mattisse?

[ProcessDoctor]

Can a trade around Harris and Thybulle for H. Barnes be worked out?

Barnes + Holmes for Tobias + Mattisse?

I would do it if a FRP was coming back our way. Otherwise, the downgrade in talent isn't worth just "dumping" Harris's contract.

[PhillyNj]

Can a trade around Harris and Thybulle for H. Barnes be worked out?

Barnes + Holmes for Tobias + Mattisse?

I’m pretty sure this is dead. Like it or not Harris is far better than Barnes and Reed is just a cheaper version of Holmes.
With the Sixers all in attitude I see no intreset from the Sixers.

[HotelVitale]

Can a trade around Harris and Thybulle for H. Barnes be worked out?

Barnes + Holmes for Tobias + Mattisse?

I would do it if a FRP was coming back our way. Otherwise, the downgrade in talent isn't worth just "dumping" Harris's contract.

I could see an argument that Barnes is a better fit—esp with Harden, Embiid, and Maxey initiating for us—but it’s a negligible improvement at best. And I don’t think SAC is interested in taking on the $40m that Tobias is owed next year, given that they could clear big space next summer if they want to. Sixers don’t need to save the $ as much.

So don’t think the motives there for either side.

[Roddy B for 3]

Can a trade around Harris and Thybulle for H. Barnes be worked out?

Barnes + Holmes for Tobias + Mattisse?

I would do it if a FRP was coming back our way. Otherwise, the downgrade in talent isn't worth just "dumping" Harris's contract.

I could see an argument that Barnes is a better fit—esp with Harden, Embiid, and Maxey initiating for us—but it’s a negligible improvement at best. And I don’t think SAC is interested in taking on the $40m that Tobias is owed next year, given that they could clear big space next summer if they want to. Sixers don’t need to save the $ as much.

So don’t think the motives there for either side.

To play devil's advocate, if Harden signs a max or near max next off-season Philly will be deeeeep in the tax. The ownership might view HB at 20M>>>Tobias at 40M when the real cost is double or triple.

[youngcrev]

I would do it if a FRP was coming back our way. Otherwise, the downgrade in talent isn't worth just "dumping" Harris's contract.

I could see an argument that Barnes is a better fit—esp with Harden, Embiid, and Maxey initiating for us—but it’s a negligible improvement at best. And I don’t think SAC is interested in taking on the $40m that Tobias is owed next year, given that they could clear big space next summer if they want to. Sixers don’t need to save the $ as much.

So don’t think the motives there for either side.

To play devil's advocate, if Harden signs a max or near max next off-season Philly will be deeeeep in the tax. The ownership might view HB at 20M>>>Tobias at 40M when the real cost is double or triple.

I think the Sixers would do it for the added cap flexibility.

I don't think the Kings would take on that money.

[HotelVitale]

I could see an argument that Barnes is a better fit—esp with Harden, Embiid, and Maxey initiating for us—but it’s a negligible improvement at best. And I don’t think SAC is interested in taking on the $40m that Tobias is owed next year, given that they could clear big space next summer if they want to. Sixers don’t need to save the $ as much.

So don’t think the motives there for either side.

To play devil's advocate, if Harden signs a max or near max next off-season Philly will be deeeeep in the tax. The ownership might view HB at 20M>>>Tobias at 40M when the real cost is double or triple.

I think the Sixers would do it for the added cap flexibility.

I don't think the Kings would take on that money.

Can’t really speak to the motives of the ownership—can only hope they don’t cheap out—but the Sixers don’t get a ton of flexibility either way. Holmes comes with $12m for the next couple seasons and the $8m saves doesn’t do that much for them. I guess I’d you have them renouncing Barnes completely next offseason and not re-signing Harden that could get them some cap, but that’s a lot of talent to punt on.

It does give some more options, though, so I see your point. With Harris in place they’re pretty locked into staying the course this year and next.

[youngcrev]

To play devil's advocate, if Harden signs a max or near max next off-season Philly will be deeeeep in the tax. The ownership might view HB at 20M>>>Tobias at 40M when the real cost is double or triple.

I think the Sixers would do it for the added cap flexibility.

I don't think the Kings would take on that money.

Can’t really speak to the motives of the ownership—can only hope they don’t cheap out—but the Sixers don’t get a ton of flexibility either way. Holmes comes with $12m for the next couple seasons and the $8m saves doesn’t do that much for them. I guess I’d you have them renouncing Barnes completely next offseason and not re-signing Harden that could get them some cap, but that’s a lot of talent to punt on.

It does give some more options, though, so I see your point. With Harris in place they’re pretty locked into staying the course this year and next.

It gives them flexibility in multiple facets of the cap without really losing much on the court. As is, they're pretty limited with the moves they'd be able to make (not that that's necessarily a bad thing).

This year you'd be taking back 13M less in salary, giving a huge amount of wiggle room under the apron (and putting them about 10M under the tax).

Holmes is a mid sized contact that could be flipped for something more fitting of our needs.

As Hinkie would say, just a lot more optionality.

[76ciology]

Im also bored so I do understand where you guys are going..

You spent the entire offseason to improve on your defense, and you undo it by replacing Tobias with Barnes.

Holmes is also a bad contract. You dont pay $12M for a big, when the last two seasons have proved that you can get a big nearly just as good with almost a minimum

Just think about it.. you already have doubts on whether we can be one of a top defensive team with a Tucker-Tobi duo. And you think it’s gonna be better with Tucker-Barnes?

And regarding owner paying for the tax. Why are you concerned? Our owners are not cheap and are even planning to spend billions for a new arena. I dont even know if we’re still paying Brett Brown lol

[youngcrev]

Im also bored so I do understand where you guys are going..

You spent the entire offseason to improve on your defense, and you undo it by replacing Tobias with Barnes.

Holmes is also a bad contract. You dont pay $20M for a big, when the last two seasons have proved that you can get a big nearly just as good with almost a minimum

Just think about it.. you already have doubts on whether we can be one of a top defensive team with a Tucker-Tobi duo. And you think it’s gonna be better with Tucker-Barnes?

And regarding owner paying for the tax. Why are you concerned? Our owners are not cheap and are even planning to spend billions for a new arena. I dont even know if we’re still paying Brett Brown lol

-Most would not consider Barnes a defensive downgrade from Harris, particularly in terms of covering 3s.

-Holmes makes 12M per, not 20. He's a very movable contract.

-The apron is a limiting factor for this season, so being further under it provides more flexibility for other trades. The tax is potentially a factor moreso down the line when you get into repeater territory, so resetting the clock on that wouldn't be a bad thing.

[ankle420breaker]

I'd trade Harris if the deal was right, but now that Harden signed a shorter contract I have no issues with being positioned to have a truckload of cap space in 2024 to retool around Embiid and Maxey.

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[76ciology]

Im also bored so I do understand where you guys are going..

You spent the entire offseason to improve on your defense, and you undo it by replacing Tobias with Barnes.

Holmes is also a bad contract. You dont pay $20M for a big, when the last two seasons have proved that you can get a big nearly just as good with almost a minimum

Just think about it.. you already have doubts on whether we can be one of a top defensive team with a Tucker-Tobi duo. And you think it’s gonna be better with Tucker-Barnes?

And regarding owner paying for the tax. Why are you concerned? Our owners are not cheap and are even planning to spend billions for a new arena. I dont even know if we’re still paying Brett Brown lol

-Most would not consider Barnes a defensive downgrade from Harris, particularly in terms of covering 3s.

-Holmes makes 12M per, not 20. He's a very movable contract.

-The apron is a limiting factor for this season, so being further under it provides more flexibility for other trades. The tax is potentially a factor moreso down the line when you get into repeater territory, so resetting the clock on that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Sorry about the amount of contract, my bad. But still, he’s overpaid relative to cheap bigs you can get and specially because his contract is a year longer than Tobi.

Defensively, Barnes is a downgrade and thats where the disconnect is. Look at the numbers. Im not saying Tobias is an all defensive team caliber defender but Barnes being not as good speaks a lot and I dont know if you can afford to have Barnes, with Maxey and Harden. Maybe, if you’ll have Maxey off the bench and replace him with Melton.

Tobias is the most valuable player this season among the 3.

Winning a championship this season > Cap flexibility by next season

Tobias is the most valuable asset by the offseason by next offseason (big expiring; productive player)

[76ciology]

You trade Tobias to be worse this season in order to get cap space for a chance to sign or trade another guy as good as Tobias

Its peak boredom

[youngcrev]

Im also bored so I do understand where you guys are going..

You spent the entire offseason to improve on your defense, and you undo it by replacing Tobias with Barnes.

Holmes is also a bad contract. You dont pay $20M for a big, when the last two seasons have proved that you can get a big nearly just as good with almost a minimum

Just think about it.. you already have doubts on whether we can be one of a top defensive team with a Tucker-Tobi duo. And you think it’s gonna be better with Tucker-Barnes?

And regarding owner paying for the tax. Why are you concerned? Our owners are not cheap and are even planning to spend billions for a new arena. I dont even know if we’re still paying Brett Brown lol

-Most would not consider Barnes a defensive downgrade from Harris, particularly in terms of covering 3s.

-Holmes makes 12M per, not 20. He's a very movable contract.

-The apron is a limiting factor for this season, so being further under it provides more flexibility for other trades. The tax is potentially a factor moreso down the line when you get into repeater territory, so resetting the clock on that wouldn't be a bad thing.

Sorry about the amount of contract, my bad. But still, he’s overpaid relative to cheap bigs you can get and specially because his contract is a year longer than Tobi.

Defensively, Barnes is a downgrade and thats where the disconnect is. Look at the numbers. Im not saying Tobias is an all defensive team caliber defender but Barnes being not as good speaks a lot and I dont know if you can afford to have Barnes, with Maxey and Harden. Maybe, if you’ll have Maxey off the bench and replace him with Melton.

Tobias is the most valuable player this season among the 3.

Winning a championship this season > Cap flexibility by next season

Tobias is the most valuable asset by the offseason by next offseason (big expiring; productive player)

Look at what numbers?

I don't think our defense is falling off going from Harris to Barnes, particularly in the context of him being paired with Tucker at forward, where he's probably a little better suited to guarding 3s than Tobias.

Tobias is better than Barnes, but the mistake is looking at the result of such a trade as an end product.

Replace Holmes with say, Eric Gordon or Bogdanovic. You still don't think that's a better team?

I'm not a "move Tobias for whatever you can get" guy, particularly not now that Morey has been able to add to the team in spite of the constraints, but this one feels like a no brainer.

Regardless, hard to see the Kings taking that contract anyway

[ProcessDoctor]

A trade we'd be able to do and not violate the hard cap.

Harris/Thybulle/Milton for Hardaway Jr./Bertans/Kleber.

I'd probably rank the players involved as such: Harris, Hardaway Jr., Kleber, Thybulle, Bertans, Milton


Harden(34)/Melton(14)
Maxey(34)/Melton(14)
House(24)/THJ(24)
Kleber(24)/Tucker(24)
Embiid(32)/Reed(16)


Harden/Melton/Springer
Maxey/THJ/Joe
House/Bertans/Korkmaz
Kleber/Tucker/Niang
Embiid/Reed/Bassey


Improved shooting and interior defense. Less shot-creation and perimeter defense. Overall guaranteed money similar.

Bertans has surprisingly acceptable BLK/STL rates. Rebounds like a SF though. The 3rd year of his contract has an ETO, so we wouldn't be on the hook for it.

Swapping out Bertans for Bullock makes it less of a wash, but likely swings it too far in our direction in terms of talent and money for Dallas to agree.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Niang, Korkmaz , thybulle for ???

Embiid / Reed / Bassey
Tucker
Tobias / House
Harden/ Shake / Joe
Maxey / Melton

[youngcrev]

Niang, Korkmaz , thybulle for ???

Embiid / Reed / Bassey
Tucker
Tobias / House
Harden/ Shake / Joe
Maxey / Melton

Whichever forward the Clippers aren't playing that becomes disgruntled?

A signing that doesn't work out (Kyle Anderson when they realize they can't play him and Gobert together? Gary Harris when they realize they stink again?)

[the_process]

Springer, Thybulle, Korkmaz, and Niang to ORL for Hampton and Ross.