Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[thebuzzardman]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

[thebuzzardman]

I know all 3 have their fans, but if you add up all the slander IQ, Obi and even Grimes have gotten in their short time here, then packing their bags and shipping them out shouldn't be the biggest deal.

I, on the other hand, have been nothing but supportive of them, 100% of the time

[iLLmatic860]

Also the fact that we signed Brunson to top dollar was that he would pop without Doncic but he will be in the exact role with Mitchell who will be defacto pg lol

As great as Luka is, he Doesn’t seem like the most enjoyable teammate to play with. Not only that makes no effort to bond with teammates. He’s on the first flight to Slovania as soon as Season over.

[robillionaire]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

If grimes is the player everyone here imagines (he isn’t) then surely execs around the league also understand his incredible potential and value so we might as well go ahead and sell high and cash that in now

[El Poochio]

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The Magic tho???

They HAVE to make a move

[bearadonisdna]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

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[WargamesX]

I'd rather just see what Grimes can do starting, that is how you really build winners, is when some young player you have outplays their contract. He averaged 13ppg 3rpg 1apg on 46% and 44% from 3 in his 6 starts as a rookie, the summer league performance is just confirmation that something is there with him. That is what a really prudent front office would do, it's not about Grimes being better than Mitchell, it's about how much can Grimes give us in relation to Mitchell, if as a starter he gives you 60% of the offense with much better defense then it's an idiotic trade.

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

I don’t think any of the youth as individuals are holding it up. It’s just Ainge asked for too much. Now the waiting game is will some other team unload to give him what he wants or does Leon or Ainge blink.

As always keep an eye on Pat Riley, but I don’t think he or any other team could pay as much as the Knicks can even if Ainge agrees to take less.

[WargamesX]

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The Magic tho???

They HAVE to make a move

Honestly though if they can keep Banchero and Franz no one else on the team is untradeable and even Banchero and Franz could be trade bait too. We all know Orlando isn’t worried about being winners either.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

If grimes is the player everyone here imagines (he isn’t) then surely execs around the league also understand his incredible potential and value so we might as well go ahead and sell high and cash that in now

Being a two way player is out of the question for Grimes, because noted Nerlens Noel stan account says so.

[evevale]

my brain is way too shot this afternoon - all i can think to say is patience, sga, **** danny ainge & did greeny overdose?

can someone make the new thread now?

[thebuzzardman]

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

If grimes is the player everyone here imagines (he isn’t) then surely execs around the league also understand his incredible potential and value so we might as well go ahead and sell high and cash that in now

Yeah, it's getting a little thick in here.
And I like both Grimes and IQ
And, Knicks need to retain some youth, as much as possible, for quality of bench and for some semblance of future flexibility.
There are scenarios where letting IQ go makes sense, there are others where it's Grimes.
I mean, common sense ones, not which player someone likes more.

Right now, with zero trade, /Rose/IQ/Grimes/Cam/McBride represent some level of glut behind Brunson, Fournier, RJ and even Obi.

If somehow just Fournier goes (impossibly) for Mitchell, same glut remains, broadly. Even pretending Mitchell can't see time at PG, which he can.

Start putting in who matches salary with Fournier, try to hold onto a player with some PG skills (maybe) and then there are choices between IQ or Grimes, Grimes or Cam, Cam or Obi, all of which have conditions on if Rose is the other player with Fournier, or Obi, etc.

TL/DR - If Mitchell comes in, Knicks can pretty easily send 3 players out.

[louisorr]

yeah Grimes is garbage. he's already better than Allan Houston...but other than that he's just a light skinned yada yada...send him away

[spree2kawhi]

Just in case:

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He’s really good imo

Yup and Dmitch would push for him to come

Def will be a decent Obi replacement

And third stringer anyway

[thebuzzardman]

GREAT post!!

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

Landry Fields volume 2

He's pretty clearly better than LF, though.

[thebuzzardman]

He’s really good imo

Yup and Dmitch would push for him to come

Def will be a decent Obi replacement

And third stringer anyway

Yeah, behind Melo, who is backing up Randle.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks current depth chart

Brunson/Rose/IQ/McBride
RJ/Grimes
Fournier/Cam
Randle/Obi
Meetch/Hartenstein/Sims
13 players who could get some time, maybe 14 if you count Feron Hunt

If Mitchell just magically appeared without a trade:

Brunson/Rose/IQ/McBride
DMitch/Grimes
RJ/Fournier/Cam
Randle/Obi
Meetch/Hartenstein/Sims

Look at it this way and it becomes more obvious where the choices are, though I guess it helps to realize DMitch can play some PG, RJ and Fournier are interchangeable at SG/SF and Cam can play SF/PF.

[spree2kawhi]

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

Landry Fields volume 2

He's pretty clearly better than LF, though.

However he doesn’t have Huerter’s skill level or even potential. Still everybody freaks out over him and I don’t really get it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Knicks are going to hold up a trade for Donovan Mitchell because lightly tanned Kevin Huerter-lite isn't in it?

C'mon.

If grimes is the player everyone here imagines (he isn’t) then surely execs around the league also understand his incredible potential and value so we might as well go ahead and sell high and cash that in now

Yeah, it's getting a little thick in here.
And I like both Grimes and IQ
And, Knicks need to retain some youth, as much as possible, for quality of bench and for some semblance of future flexibility.
There are scenarios where letting IQ go makes sense, there are others where it's Grimes.
I mean, common sense ones, not which player someone likes more.

Right now, with zero trade, /Rose/IQ/Grimes/Cam/McBride represent some level of glut behind Brunson, Fournier, RJ and even Obi.

If somehow just Fournier goes (impossibly) for Mitchell, same glut remains, broadly. Even pretending Mitchell can't see time at PG, which he can.

Start putting in who matches salary with Fournier, try to hold onto a player with some PG skills (maybe) and then there are choices between IQ or Grimes, Grimes or Cam, Cam or Obi, all of which have conditions on if Rose is the other player with Fournier, or Obi, etc.

TL/DR - If Mitchell comes in, Knicks can pretty easily send 3 players out.

It's the combination of picks and players that's the problem for me, if it were one or the other fine, but it's both which makes it hard to restock the cabinet.

That is the point of these kind of trades for the team giving up the star, they want both because it makes it much more difficult to put together a coherent roster the longer the team is together which in turn improves the future picks they traded for. Just look at all the playoffs teams, they had depth that consisted of a lot of guys found later in the draft, it's rare to put together a great team now with these kind of trades. Even the Clippers have found it difficult and they've got two vastly superior players to what we have.


My issue with the Mitchell trade is the redundancy of Brunson and Mitchell, we just saw the Nets fail trying to put together a team simply based on talent, regardless of fit. I like Grimes, he has two way potential, people only think about the scoring someone like Mitchell will bring, and not what he's going to give up on the other end, and what happens in the event some team we're playing has a guy that can go toe to toe with him scoring wise (amplified by his bad defense), but will also negatively impact his efficiency on the other end. The Hawks just made a trade to get bigger & more defensive in their backcourt, at a time teams are upsizing on the perimeter and downsizing in the frontcourt, we're going the opposite direction

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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He's pretty clearly better than LF, though.

However he doesn’t have Huerter’s skill level or even potential. Still everybody freaks out over him and I don’t really get it.

Huerter was a sieve defensively, there's another side of the court.

[thebuzzardman]

yeah Grimes is garbage. he's already better than Allan Houston...but other than that he's just a light skinned yada yada...send him away

No, he's not garbage. He's decent. Could be good, could be very good.
It's important for the Knicks to know what he can be and calculate that
They could calculate that he'll be good and send him anyway, for any number of actually good reasons.
It's fine for people to take a stand on him staying, since it's an opinion site
There are people on here pretty good at projecting who will be good or not.
There are pretty common sense combinations of players out that make sense, with who is left.
Hopefully, the Knicks do one of them, and yeah, any trade they do someone isn't going to like all of it, because some young player we've rooted for is going.