Crymson wrote:FloridaMan78 wrote:I disagree with Stewart, Hayes not so much. Stewart has shown flashes.
I’ve seen Stewart take it to the rim from the three point line. I’ve seen him make reads in the short roll and after being run off the line. I’ve seen Stewart make improvements to his game by shooting threes more and more. I’ve seen him take a dribble pull up jumper.
I'm struggling to remember an example of Stewart attacking from the perimeter last season. He attempted 11 driving layups, of which he made four and was blocked on five. He attempted four pull-up jumpers in the interior and made none of them. He rarely made passes out of the short roll either. When he was asked to serve as a roll man, his chief procedure was to set a pick and then clog the paint. That's the result of his physical limitations, though his poor hands were not helpful either.
The fact that he may have attempted these things doesn't mean that he has the skill to pull them off at a worthwhile level.Getting Duren and Bagley on the team has opened Stewart’s eyes. You see it in his interviews. He acknowledges what he needs to do in order to stay on this team. He has to change his game and he’s putting in the work in order to do it. It’s not just shooting and he knows that. Quickness, handle, and shooting. He’s totally focusing on that.
Stewart can't simply focus on quickness---his poor running mobility is what it is, and I don't doubt that he's done what he can---and it's not common for a player with so poor a handle to substantively improve it. The shooting may come around, but it's not enough to make him more than a limited quantity on offense at his chief position.Kalamazoo317 wrote:Our offense doesn't have to have multi-tool players at every position. Cade and Ivey can both be high level creators, Bey has a developing toolkit, no reason Beefstew couldn't be a significant offensive contributor just by being able to hit open shots.
It's not so simple as just not needing complete offensive players at every position. A perimeter player who offers nothing but the ability to hit open, standstill jumpers and has a poor handle, minimal ability as a passer, and no further versatility is not a good contributor and will be standing in at the position for a player who could offer much more.
If we're talking center, Stewart's physical limitations would mean one of two things: him needing to be on the floor with a teammate who can provide the roll presence, vertical spacing, and interior finishing that the team needs, or the offense being without any player who has those qualities. The pre-Bagley period of last season gave an ample window into the problems with the latter situation.FloridaMan78 wrote:The article is linked on the original post on the first page. Stewart is an elite rim protector according to advanced stats. Not just blocks.
Stewart is always in the right place at the right time and is very physical and effects peoples shots. I don’t think rebounding is reflected. And Grant was an awful rebounding PF.
But Stewart fouled so much he couldn’t stay on the floor and only averaged 25 mins a game. Besides him we had Trey freaking lyles playing C. So thats 23 mins of no rim protection at all.
Stewart is a strong, smart, and hardworking defender. He's a very good rim protector, a high-level paint protector, and excellent on switches. He does take a bit of a hit to his rim protection in that due to his lack of explosiveness and leaping ability, he cannot defend the rim from the weak side.
That said, all of these defensive qualities are chiefly found at center. Playing him at power forwards would force him away from these and emphasize his weaknesses.
He does have his issues with fouling.tradez401 wrote:hopefully stewarts shooting can be antonio mcdyess-esc which would help this team alot.
McDyess attempted a total of only five threes in his five regular seasons with the Pistons. He added three more attempts in his five postseasons with the team. He wasn't a shooter, and by the time he arrived in Detroit, a severe knee injury had sapped away the explosiveness that had made him such a dangerous player in his first even seasons.buzzkilloton wrote:Stewart is collecting all of the tools to become a legitimate big in the modern NBA. The more you watch him, the more you want to raise his ceiling. The shooting would put him in a different tier. It feels like it’s coming.
I feel like I'm arguing with a wall here. Stewart does not have the physical assets to be an effective interior scorer. No offense, but I don't understand your denial of that reality.edmunder_prc wrote:Playing Stewart at the 4 is a weird fit because the 5 will need to be someone like KO that is more flexible and can do it all. Then is Stewart really the 4?
I think he'd more need to be on the floor with a guy can provide the roll presence, vertical spacing, and interior finishing that most any offense needs. The limitation remains the same.But if you try Stewart and Duren, then Stewart has to sit in the corner and shoot 3s because he is not good at any part of a modern NBA offense. Yeah he might be able to hit 3s at league average from the corner but unless he took a HUGE jump, he cant dribble, pass, drive, etc. He's going to be Brook Lopez, hopefully. Hitting a few 3s and being a 5. Hoping for Tobias Harris or Collins skills at the 4 from Stewart is ridiculous. The guy can barely dribble.
Well said. And what makes it okay for Lopez to just hang out at the perimeter is the fact that his job on offense is pretty much just to space the floor for Giannis, who needs four shooters around him to optimize his game.
He was hitting his three this game. There’s two instances where he’s run off the three point line and drives it in for the the score.
His whole life he’s been gearing up to be a huge C. I could see him changing his body and slimming down 10-20 lbs to be quicker.