Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[HighRyzer83]

The reality is this deal is not getting done without the Knicks unprotected 2023, 2025, 2027. We cannot give up the 2029 as that is way too far out.

You then have the 3 highly protected 1sts and that’s Danny’s “majority” request.

I don’t believe you can give them ALL 6 of those firsts on top of a Obi/Grimes combination. At some point this all gets truly ridiculous. Ainge should be picking 1 of OBI-Grimes-IQ.

Just feels like there is a deal to be made but Danny as we all know is a snake and brutal to work with.

Who else are they going to call up across the league that is willing to come close to the above mentioned deal.

A few days ago, that Jazz beat guy said something like this might be about the ‘27 and/or ‘29 picks. I think I’d do both if we don’t have to send any prospects but like you said, Danny thinks he has to win every trade overwhelmingly

27’ & 29’ is insanely far out. Who knows what this team will look like by then, or what the drafts will be like. I’m not into the idea of giving up an unprotected 1st that far out and having it land the next generational star or franchise player type for the Jazz, and being the laughing stock of the league like BK was for years.

I honestly don’t know how Leon didn’t pimp smack Ainge in Vegas after hearing his asking price.. this shyt is insulting. Basically calling you a sucker to your face.

Exactly. People are really liberal with throwing 5, 6 of those picks around like Mitchell himself wasn't the 13th pick lol. 6 of those

[K_ick_God]

yeah we should just help the heat get Mitchell and give them 2 picks for Herro!

It's not a bad idea.

[Spree2Houston]

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He does have a point though lol

[snadler]

A few days ago, that Jazz beat guy said something like this might be about the ‘27 and/or ‘29 picks. I think I’d do both if we don’t have to send any prospects but like you said, Danny thinks he has to win every trade overwhelmingly

27’ & 29’ is insanely far out. Who knows what this team will look like by then, or what the drafts will be like. I’m not into the idea of giving up an unprotected 1st that far out and having it land the next generational star or franchise player type for the Jazz, and being the laughing stock of the league like BK was for years.

I honestly don’t know how Leon didn’t pimp smack Ainge in Vegas after hearing his asking price.. this shyt is insulting. Basically calling you a sucker to your face.

Exactly. People are really liberal with throwing 5, 6 of those picks around like Mitchell himself wasn't the 13th pick lol. 6 of those

Same people complaining about trading 5-6 picks are also the same ones comparing they traded #11 for 3 more picks..

[NoDopeOnSundays]

lost in all this midget backcourt talk is that the raptors were successful and won with a more midgety backcourt than we'd have with brunson and mitchell

lowry is 6'0 and FVV is 6'1 though ofc they are more tenacious and better defensive players than brunson and mitchell, it's not like they had some elite rim protection with gobert either.

Danny Green was the starting 2 guard, they weren't playing FVV & Lowry together against the Sixers because their backcourt was too big and Jimmy would have eaten one of them alive (FVV averaged 16.8mpg).


They had Marc Gasol, former DPOY, and Serge Ibaka the leader in playoffs blocks the last decade, no elite rim protection. Lowry and FVV are literally known for defense......

Edit - their most played lineup in the playoffs was Lowry, Green, Kawhi, Siakam, Gasol with almost 4x as much time.

And most importantly, they had this

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[N Y K]

yeah we should just help the heat get Mitchell and give them 2 picks for Herro!

you would give them two picks for herro? you're wilding bro!!!!

Spoiler:

don't be afraid to quote me. I'm just wondering if there's another opportunity out there doooggggg.

[HighRyzer83]

The Athletic put up a tier list rating of the current top 125 NBA players and Grimes was in the 85-125 player range along with RJ, Randle and IQ. so it isn't just the fans and Ainge that value Grimes

Wow, I guess value is relative, but being our best players are # 85 or higher, doesn't say much for the Knicks. Curious, what are Brunson and Mitchell?

brunson was listed at the top of Tier 4 (41-59) other players in that tier were horford, wiggins, bingram, garland, ayton, dejounte, bane, sabonis, dfs, evan mobley, fvv, jarrett allen, smart, bridges, anunoby, rob williams, scottie barnes, tyrese maxey

Spoiler:

Jalen Brunson represents the perfect spot to reiterate that the placement in the Tiers is irrespective of contract. Is Brunson supposed to say no to an offer his production is unlikely to match, let alone exceed? Of course not. A player who can score efficiently — if in an unorthodox fashion with his two-point bullyball style — and distribute well is valuable and deserving of a spot on this list. That he is now paid like a borderline All-Star when his odds of achieving that honor appear vanishingly small — since 2010, small guards with usages of 22 or below who have done so include Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Steve Nash and pre-knee injury Rajon Rondo — doesn’t make him a worse player. But the Knicks overpaid, at least in terms of the assets spent and players jettisoned – Nerlens Noel and Alec Burks are credible NBA rotation players – to create the cap space needed to sign Brunson outright.

mitchell was listed in the middle of Tier 3 (25-32) other players in that tier were beal, derozan, draymond, jamal murray, siakam, sga and lavine

Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell and Zach LaVine: A prediction: so long as he stays in Utah all season, Mitchell will lead the NBA in usage in 2022-23 as the Jazz pivot towards a new era. A further prediction: the absence of Gobert will illustrate the difference between a talented on-ball scorer, which Mitchell clearly is, and a franchise-defining superstar.

don't shoot the messenger

Nah you right. People out here acting like he's Luka or something.

[Ghetto Gospel]

lost in all this midget backcourt talk is that the raptors were successful and won with a more midgety backcourt than we'd have with brunson and mitchell

lowry is 6'0 and FVV is 6'1 though ofc they are more tenacious and better defensive players than brunson and mitchell, it's not like they had some elite rim protection with gobert either.

Danny Green was the starting 2 guard, they weren't playing FVV & Lowry together against the Sixers because their backcourt was too big and Jimmy would have eaten one of them alive (FVV averaged 16.8mpg).

They had Marc Gasol, former DPOY, and Serge Ibaka the leader in playoffs blocks the last decade, no elite rim protection. Lowry and FVV are literally known for defense......

And most importantly, they had this

Watch on YouTube

the raptors didn't know exactly what they had with fvv at the time and he really came into his own in the finals. how much they play together in the finals going up against steph and klay, the best shooting backcourt of all time? 6'7 klay couldn't toast these guys?

sure 34-35 year old marc gasol? i guess we can sign him to anchor our defense too for elite rim protection former DPOY.

yeah, they had kawhi, but if i go back to that ja vs rj thread, i saw a lot of RJ will be kawhi in there, so it sounds like we'd have that part covered

[K_ick_God]

We could start Herro and Brunson for an even more midgety backcourt. Grimes is a midget too tho.

[Chanel Bomber]

Over 100 TS wtf

It's league-adjusted TS with 100 being league-average.

Makes it look like they never miss a shot who came up with this ish

My league-adjusted TS is 3000 when I play pick-up.

[K_ick_God]

yeah we should just help the heat get Mitchell and give them 2 picks for Herro!

you would give them two picks for herro? you're wilding bro!!!!

Spoiler:

don't be afraid to quote me. I'm just wondering if there's another opportunity out there doooggggg.

We might start hitting the tipping point on scoring tho. It's good shooting. If Grimes took off your scoring might be somewhat special. Mitch would have to play D like two Goberts.

[Fat Kat]

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He does have a point though lol

Not enough talk about Donovan being CAA. All of this is probably already mapped out. There’s probably pressure being applied on Ainge behind the scenes.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

lost in all this midget backcourt talk is that the raptors were successful and won with a more midgety backcourt than we'd have with brunson and mitchell

lowry is 6'0 and FVV is 6'1 though ofc they are more tenacious and better defensive players than brunson and mitchell, it's not like they had some elite rim protection with gobert either.

Danny Green was the starting 2 guard, they weren't playing FVV & Lowry together against the Sixers because their backcourt was too big and Jimmy would have eaten one of them alive (FVV averaged 16.8mpg).

They had Marc Gasol, former DPOY, and Serge Ibaka the leader in playoffs blocks the last decade, no elite rim protection. Lowry and FVV are literally known for defense......

And most importantly, they had this

Watch on YouTube

the raptors didn't know exactly what they had with fvv at the time and he really came into his own in the finals. how much they play together in the finals going up against steph and klay, the best shooting backcourt of all time? 6'7 klay couldn't toast these guys?

sure 34-35 year old marc gasol? i guess we can sign him to anchor our defense too for elite rim protection former DPOY.

yeah, they had kawhi, but if i go back to that ja vs rj thread, i saw a lot of RJ will be kawhi in there, so it sounds like we'd have that part covered

He came into his own in the finals because the Warriors were dropping like flies and Nurse realized he could play a box and 1 on Curry. Klay was averaging 26ppg against them before he got hurt, you left out that important part where KD got hurt, too. They wouldn't play 2 guards if KD were healthy. Neither Brunson or Mitchell are even close to Lowry/FVV defensively, is one of them going to come off the bench while we start a 6'6" guard?


Opponents had a 105 ORTG when Gasol was on the floor, when he was off the floor they had Serge Ibaka who leads the playoffs in blocks since 2010. Gasol was also a stretch big, so he was literally 3 & D at the 5, shot 38% from three with elite defense What next, Randle is as good a defender as Siakam?


Oh nice, a strawman, nobody has ever said he will be Kawhi on defense, but keep having those arguments based around the boogeyman. RJ has the potential to be a good two way player, Kawhi is arguably the best perimeter defender ever.

[Madskillzz024]

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He does have a point though lol

Not enough talk about Donovan being CAA. All of this is probably already mapped out. There’s probably pressure being applied on Ainge behind the scenes.

Just realized Hartenstein is CAA as well.
Maybe we should look at players on the Knicks who are not part of CAA and those may be the players on the move

Grimes+Quickley+Cam+ Fournier

[louisorr]

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Not enough talk about Donovan being CAA. All of this is probably already mapped out. There’s probably pressure being applied on Ainge behind the scenes.

and I hope that pressure is on his skull and is being applied by a boot.

[SelbyCobra]

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He does have a point though lol

Not really, the Jazz are already literally the least desirable place for an NBA player to play. They have absolutely no hope of landing FAs because they never have HAD hope of landing FAs - this is a common understanding in the NBA. Ainge can't damage a reputation that is already widely accepted as being in the sub basement. There's zero reason for him not to milk this for all it's worth - feelings and repercussions be damned.

[Knox]

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Jazzz have shown interest in Collin Sexton. We could help facilitate the deal in a possible 3 way. We could also talk trade with Cleveland to gain some leverage out the deal. I don’t want the Knicks to pay the traditional Danny ainge ransom for Mitchell. It would stink to see him on another roster. But it would be better to save our assets for a better deal.

[Besart19]

Randle, Quickley and 3 picks for Mitchell

Sign Carmelo and another veteran guard like Rubio

Trade Fournier and one youngster in the trade deadline for a swingman that can help us in the playoffs

Mitch / Hart / Sims
Toppin / Melo / Cam
Barrett / Fournier / Hunt
Mitchell / Grimes / Kels
Brunson / Rose / McBride

[Reign23]

yeah we should just help the heat get Mitchell and give them 2 picks for Herro!

you would give them two picks for herro? you're wilding bro!!!!

Spoiler:

don't be afraid to quote me. I'm just wondering if there's another opportunity out there doooggggg.

it isn't the worst idea tbh. I really like Herro

[NoDopeOnSundays]

yeah we should just help the heat get Mitchell and give them 2 picks for Herro!

you would give them two picks for herro? you're wilding bro!!!!

Spoiler:

don't be afraid to quote me. I'm just wondering if there's another opportunity out there doooggggg.

it isn't the worst idea tbh. I really like Herro

I forgot who I was listening to, but they said Herro is just Jamal Crawford, a guy who can win you a game here and there, will have a big scoring night but his offense will never be able to make up for his defense.