2023 NBA Draft

The-Power · Post #301 » by **The-Power** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:48 pm

jman3134 wrote:In terms of the specific prospects, Jean and Dominick did not look overmatched in summer league, though there is no doubt their stocks were held back by OTE.

How so?

Post #302 » by **jman3134** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:16 pm

Montero played a complementary role alongside Grimes and McBride (at least one a rotation guy this year), who were the Knicks leaders. He stood out defensively and did not force the action as muchas you would expect watching him in OTE. He wasn't overmatched.

Barlow flashed some serious potential in P&R and defensively. Lofton cooked him, but he did that to everyone in summer league.

Performances need to be age indexed. Both of these guys are just 19.

TheBallsDeeper · Post #303 » by **TheBallsDeeper** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:34 pm

jrj202 wrote:
TheBallsDeeper wrote:
Catchall wrote:
Looking at the 2022 draft, I would have been willing to trade Donovan Mitchell for Paolo Banchero. I'd also have been willing to trade Mitchell for Jaden Ivey and 2 FRPs. I wasn't sure what to do with Chet, and still don't to some degree. I need to see him at NBA speed and space.

In this draft, I'd consider trading Mitchell for Wembanyama, Henderson and either Thompson at a minimum. I'm also intrigued by Dereck Lively, Nick Smith and Dillon Mitchell. There could be 5+ All Stars in this class.

Mitchell is a high volume low efficiency, undersized shooting guard that struggles with play-making and plays pretty much no defense. If the Jazz can get a top ten pick in a future draft they should jump on it.

The only reason he is so hyped is because the US media created a story to try and get a local win Rookie of the year in a bad draft class. He was two years older than everyone else and people fell for it. His peak is Lou Williams, but for some strange reason he is still being pumped up as a superstar. Has shot the Jazz out of multiple playoff series, but fans only seem to remember the one series when he and Murray played no defense on each other.

Could be an 18 ppg on 40% like Harden

Not sure what Harden has to do with this, but agree - Mitchell and Harden are both extremely overrated, and have cost their teams' playoff series with inefficient offensive play and being terrible on defense.

The-Power · Post #304 » by **The-Power** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:56 pm

jman3134 wrote:Montero played a complementary role alongside Grimes and McBride (at least one a rotation guy this year), who were the Knicks leaders. He stood out defensively and did not force the action as muchas you would expect watching him in OTE. He wasn't overmatched.

His value on offense – and with it his overall value – depends on him being able to make plays for others and hit 3s consistently. Doesn't look like he managed to do either in SL. There's time, of course, but I wouldn't look at his SL performances and feel encouraged about his NBA outlook.

shangrila · Post #305 » by **shangrila** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:57 pm

jman3134 wrote:
shangrila wrote:I hate Overtime Elite as a development league so I could easily see them dropping.

I mean, what do you gain from that place? If you dominate you're doing it against high schoolers so nobody takes it seriously. And if you don't then...why the hell not? You SHOULD be wiping the floor with them if you're an NBA calibre prospect.

I have nothing against OTE. It was a long time coming. G League salaries need to go up.

For development sake, you are working with really good coaches and these are high school kids for the most part.

They will be scrimmiging overseas teams this year I believe, but were constrained last year due to the pandemic.

In terms of the specific prospects, Jean and Dominick did not look overmatched in summer league, though there is no doubt their stocks were held back by OTE.

End of the day, these kids want to get paid as basketball players. OTE does that.

NIL now covers that money aspect, the coaching is arguably better in college and there's better exposure for the NBA by playing in college/G league.

OTE strikes me as some rich guy's vanity project that's ultimately worthless but promises enough to get suckers to sign up for.

Post #306 » by **jman3134** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:09 pm

The-Power wrote:
jman3134 wrote:Montero played a complementary role alongside Grimes and McBride (at least one a rotation guy this year), who were the Knicks leaders. He stood out defensively and did not force the action as muchas you would expect watching him in OTE. He wasn't overmatched.

His value on offense – and with it his overall value – depends on him being able to make plays for others and hit 3s consistently. Doesn't look like he managed to do either in SL. There's time, of course, but I wouldn't look at his SL performances and feel encouraged about his NBA outlook.

I am neutral on his outlook from summer league. His role was not to be a primary shot creator. He played within that role. So it isn't encouraging or not. I know he can shoot and get his shot off at this level, but he didn't flash that in SL. There were better, more experienced players ahead of him.

I expected him to force it, and I was encouraged that he didn't. That doesn't mean that he boosted his stock.

Edit: NBA pg is the hardest job in the game. Very few 19 year olds are setting the league on fire at this position.

Post #307 » by **jman3134** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:12 pm

shangrila wrote:
jman3134 wrote:
shangrila wrote:I hate Overtime Elite as a development league so I could easily see them dropping.

I mean, what do you gain from that place? If you dominate you're doing it against high schoolers so nobody takes it seriously. And if you don't then...why the hell not? You SHOULD be wiping the floor with them if you're an NBA calibre prospect.

I have nothing against OTE. It was a long time coming. G League salaries need to go up.

For development sake, you are working with really good coaches and these are high school kids for the most part.

They will be scrimmiging overseas teams this year I believe, but were constrained last year due to the pandemic.

In terms of the specific prospects, Jean and Dominick did not look overmatched in summer league, though there is no doubt their stocks were held back by OTE.

End of the day, these kids want to get paid as basketball players. OTE does that.

NIL now covers that money aspect, the coaching is arguably better in college and there's better exposure for the NBA by playing in college/G league.

OTE strikes me as some rich guy's vanity project that's ultimately worthless but promises enough to get suckers to sign up for.

Let's say you are a high school sophomore looking to earn some money and support your family. NIL doesn't do that.

Maybe the Thompson's weren't getting big time NIL money when they signed. I read Amen was fairly low in 247 rankings.

Post #308 » by **Marcus** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:50 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
baldur wrote:So what's your projection for gg Jackson? Top 10?

At this point you have to pencil him in for sure. But I will also say this, we've seen guys like GG tank pretty hard their 1 year in college. GG right now gets by mostly just by being the better athlete. Dont get me wrong he is a hell of an athlete. The jumper and handle is pretty iffy at best at the moment. Its not too rare to see high ranked guys based off their athleticism in high school kind of get lost in the shuffle once they get to college.

Now with that said, one of the promising aspects with GG is a visible growth in the skill areas of his game.

yeah first time seeing him and didn't see anything that immediately stood out outside of him outclassing kids physically. i'll put him on the radar though and see how it turns out.

tundraknight · Post #309 » by **tundraknight** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:41 am

Hopefully GG Jackson will at least be a rich man’s Obi Toppin.

Or maybe an Amare Stoudemire.

MemphisX · Post #310 » by **MemphisX** » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:35 am

tundraknight wrote:Hopefully GG Jackson will at least be a rich man’s Obi Toppin.

Or maybe an Amare Stoudemire.

Man, he moves just like him. Obi has been pretty productive in the NBA but definitely has a ceiling but a big year from Obi would help his draft stock because humans are humans. :lol:

clyde21 · Post #311 » by **clyde21** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:07 am

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Hal14 · Post #312 » by **Hal14** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:32 pm

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Would be literally insane if they somehow end up on the same NBA team.

Colbinii · Post #313 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:12 pm

Wenbayama'a offensive potential appears to be increasing.

Colbinii · Post #314 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:16 pm

clyde21 wrote:

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Another step towards creating a "minor" league which has significant value in terms of scouting and producing higher-end NBA talent.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #315 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:36 pm

Colbinii wrote:Wenbayama'a offensive potential appears to be increasing.

why do you say that?

Colbinii · Post #316 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:54 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Wenbayama'a offensive potential appears to be increasing.

why do you say that?

His handle.

Post #317 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:55 am

I'd feel much better about taking Wembanyama at number 1 if he was 7 foot and not 7 foot 3.

Feels inevitable that he will do a serious injury with his size.

MemphisX · Post #318 » by **MemphisX** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:59 am

zimpy27 wrote:I'd feel much better about taking Wembanyama at number 1 if he was 7 foot and not 7 foot 3.

Feels inevitable that he will do a serious injury with his size.

Gobert has been relatively healthy.

clyde21 · Post #319 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:14 am

MemphisX wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:I'd feel much better about taking Wembanyama at number 1 if he was 7 foot and not 7 foot 3.

Feels inevitable that he will do a serious injury with his size.

Gobert has been relatively healthy.

Wemby has at least a couple of inches on Gobert, this was taken almost 2 years ago:

Post #320 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:24 am

MemphisX wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:I'd feel much better about taking Wembanyama at number 1 if he was 7 foot and not 7 foot 3.

Feels inevitable that he will do a serious injury with his size.

Gobert has been relatively healthy.

Gobert has probably had the best health for someone his size but think about the way he plays close to the ground and around the basket.

The Wemby game has a lot more lateral movement combined with his handles and drives. Would love to be proven wrong because it's such a terrible way for a player to underperform.