Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

ibraheim718 · Post #1281 » by **ibraheim718** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:53 am

Juco24 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=7ccMNRG1WlDnTRM3W7eCuA

This actually makes sense why the deal hasn't been announced.... Spree2Houston may be onto something with the proposed trade involving LA

I believe that's Melo's underwear.

Juco24 · Post #1282 » by **Juco24** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:53 am

aq_ua wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Juco24 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=7ccMNRG1WlDnTRM3W7eCuA

This actually makes sense why the deal hasn't been announced.... Spree2Houston may be onto something with the proposed trade involving LA

isnt that underwear guy

I can't believe we're still falling for this sh*t

Dude called the Fournier signing before it happened. And a few other minor things. He may or may not be right but again... makes sense. We'll see

Spree2Houston · Post #1283 » by **Spree2Houston** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:55 am

Fury wrote:
Juco24 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=7ccMNRG1WlDnTRM3W7eCuA

This actually makes sense why the deal hasn't been announced.... Spree2Houston may be onto something with the proposed trade involving LA

What’s that trade?

Hoping this happens

Spree2Houston wrote:My ideal 3-team trade including the Lakers

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22hdxlds

NY - Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Rudy
LA - Conley, Randle, Fournier
UTAH - Westbrook, Rose, Horten-Tucker, 6 FRPS from NY, 2 FRPS from LA

Utah gets their 8 FRPS. Lebron gets Conley. NY gets Mitchell and keeps their youth.

8516knicks · Post #1284 » by **8516knicks** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:01 am

Found the big holdup. Knicks insisting Donovan change his name to GODOT.

Clyde_Style · Post #1285 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:02 am

Spree2Houston wrote:
Fury wrote:
Juco24 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=7ccMNRG1WlDnTRM3W7eCuA

This actually makes sense why the deal hasn't been announced.... Spree2Houston may be onto something with the proposed trade involving LA

What’s that trade?

Hoping this happens
Spree2Houston wrote:My ideal 3-team trade including the Lakers

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22hdxlds

NY - Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Rudy
LA - Conley, Randle, Fournier
UTAH - Westbrook, Rose, Horten-Tucker, 6 FRPS from NY, 2 FRPS from LA

Utah gets their 8 FRPS. Lebron gets Conley. NY gets Mitchell and keeps their youth.

That's the only way I'm OK with sending out 6 FRPs is if it sends out Randle too. If they can use this deal to unload him and Fournier, then it frees up the roster to go full youth and maybe kick some butt this season.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1286 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:02 am

thebuzzardman wrote:People I've met from Utah are weird and I haven't liked them.

I had a particularly bad experience with one. Here's a true buzzardman story.

I was in basic training/infantry training back in the day, fresh out of HS and NYC.
In basic, like they do in gulags etc, they usually make a bigger, older guy, or squared away guy the platoon leader/squad leaders.
In those days, the platoon leader and squad leaders got their own room, everyone else in big old open bay 40 man room.
They just have some extra responsibility, etc - it's the drill sgts that make your life hell, get everyone in shape, all indoctrinated etc.

Anyway, this guy was like 24 years old, state wrestler, and just a total whitebread weird ass Utah guy.
He did not like NYC.
He did not like thebuzzardman being from NYC.
So this guy, who has like 50 lbs on my then skinny ass is starting to crack jokes at my expense - which is ok, for a day or two, but by day 7, he's really leaning into it and there's something not funny in it.
I realize he's going to give me a rep and it's going to stick.
There were all these white painted paving stones- the ones that used to be in the street way back when in Wingo's time, lining the paths.
Anyway, I got pissed enough that I went up to him and stated "Keep doing it. You can kick my ass, and do it now and make it count, because if you keep talking like that, one night, at random, I'm going to take one of those paving stones, go into your room while you are sleeping, and crush your f*cking skull in"
I was a little wound up then.
He was friendly after that.
Telling me his weird ass stories about the big White Castle festival they had, like I gave a f*ck.
He bitched about his knees and didn't go to the airborne unit we all to, the d*che.

They’re called “cobblestone”. :noway:

Institutional memory.

Zenzibar · Post #1287 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:06 am

Spree2Houston wrote:
Fury wrote:
Juco24 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=7ccMNRG1WlDnTRM3W7eCuA

This actually makes sense why the deal hasn't been announced.... Spree2Houston may be onto something with the proposed trade involving LA

What’s that trade?

Hoping this happens
Spree2Houston wrote:My ideal 3-team trade including the Lakers

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22hdxlds

NY - Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Rudy
LA - Conley, Randle, Fournier
UTAH - Westbrook, Rose, Horten-Tucker, 6 FRPS from NY, 2 FRPS from LA

Utah gets their 8 FRPS. Lebron gets Conley. NY gets Mitchell and keeps their youth.

Zenzibar · Post #1288 » by **Zenzibar** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:11 am

KnixinSix wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Chanerd time:

Defensive rating is not a stat that measures individual defense, because it's too dependent on the 4 other players on the floor.

Here are Bullock's last 7 seasons according to Defensive RAPM:

2015-16 -1.02
2016-17 +0.66
2017-18 +0.01
2018-19 -0.8
2019-20 +0.16
2020-21 +0.97
2021-22 +1.21

So by that metric, he did have his best defensive seasons under Thibs and then Kidd.

Mitchell's defense has fallen off a cliff through the years. Is it a sign of his declining commitment and motivation to play in Utah, or of the league changing and further exposing his lack of size? I don't know. To your point, it seems that he has the ability, but not necessarily the willingness to defend.

2017-18 +1.68
2018-19 +1.45
2019-20 -0.62
2020-21 -0.34
2021-22 -0.84

Super interesting pairing Donovan with Thibs' defensive schemes.

You are not going to have that high a defensive rating your first 2 years in the NBA no less, and simply lose that ability entirely. Thibs should get him back to focusing on D.

NBADraft.net 2015

… Probably the most appealing part of Mitchell’s game lies on the defensive end … By the end of his second year at Louisville, he established himself as a multi-positional stopper who a coach can put on point guards, shooting guards and even some small forwards

… Mitchell has outstanding physical tools to be a lockdown defender, with his elite length, strong frame and quick feet … Mitchell is also a highly competitive guy who is willing to pressure full court, dive to the floor for loose balls, and consistently make things difficult for opposing players … Mitchell has terrific instincts off the ball, as shown by his 2.6 steals per-40) … Despite being short for the average two-guard, his 6’10” wingspan is difficult for opposing guards to shoot over, and he does an exemplary job of using his quickness and strength to stay in front of his man …

stuporman · Post #1289 » by **stuporman** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:27 am

I live in the four corners region and have been to and some might say resided in Utah at times in my life. It's a gorgeous state and in the time I've spent there I found the people to be incredibly friendly and kind hearted. I have lived in every corner of the country and plenty of places in between.

It may be entertaining with finding humor in our differences but I'm pretty sure we all know that there are great people and sucky ones everywhere. So I hope the visitors to this forum will understand we mean no ill will towards anyone....well most of us don't, remember there are sucky people everywhere.

If you spend any amount of time reading the discourse here you will quickly find out there are people from all over the world and many of them don't even come from new york, might not have even visited there either. We are a diverse crowd for sure and that includes some fairly rural folk.

You might have even noticed that our favorite past time is cracking on each other, it's almost an art form but it's more like a sport. We don't take ourselves very seriously since we are Knicks fans, we are self aware enough to know how incredibly torturous it is to be a fan of this team and find humor in it.

So we two fanbases should join together in holy matrimony like some polygamous basketball cult in a ceremony and celebration of our common love...hating Micheal Jordan. Although, if any of you guys brings that jello stuff to the wedding I'm gonna cross you up so hard your kids will be born with broken ankles.

Thank you and yes you may repost this on your board to make everyone aware of the 'pending nuptials' between our forums....which maybe sounds like something you need a prescription to remedy and yea, drugs won't hurt the process.

Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

Clyde_Style · Post #1290 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:29 am

stuporman wrote:I live in the four corners region and have been to and some might say resided in Utah at times in my life. It's a gorgeous state and in the time I've spent there I found the people to be incredibly friendly and kind hearted. I have lived in every corner of the country and plenty of places in between.

It may be entertaining with finding humor in our differences but I'm pretty sure we all know that there are great people and sucky ones everywhere. So I hope the visitors to this forum will understand we mean no ill will towards anyone....well most of us don't, remember there are sucky people everywhere.

If you spend any amount of time reading the discourse here you will quickly find out there are people from all over the world and many of them don't even come from new york, might not have even visited there either. We are a diverse crowd for sure and that includes some fairly rural folk.

You might have even noticed that our favorite past time is cracking on each other, it's almost an art form but it's more like a sport. We don't take ourselves very seriously since we are Knicks fans, we are self aware enough to know how incredibly torturous it is to be a fan of this team and find humor in it.

So we two fanbases should join together in holy matrimony like some polygamous basketball cult in a ceremony and celebration of our common love...hating Micheal Jordan. Although, if any of you guys brings that jello stuff to the wedding I'm gonna cross you up so hard your kids will be born with broken ankles.

Thank you and yes you may repost this on your board to make everyone aware of the 'pending nuptials' between our forums....which maybe sounds like something you need a prescription to remedy and yea, drugs won't hurt the process.

Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

That inspired me to perform a lime jello colonic on myself

thebuzzardman · Post #1291 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:32 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
Juco24 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=20&t=7ccMNRG1WlDnTRM3W7eCuA

This actually makes sense why the deal hasn't been announced.... Spree2Houston may be onto something with the proposed trade involving LA

isnt that underwear guy

Is it? Is this guy somebody or just regurgitating that bit of "inside info" floating around?

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1292 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:34 am

stuporman wrote:I live in the four corners region and have been to and some might say resided in Utah at times in my life. It's a gorgeous state and in the time I've spent there I found the people to be incredibly friendly and kind hearted. I have lived in every corner of the country and plenty of places in between.

It may be entertaining with finding humor in our differences but I'm pretty sure we all know that there are great people and sucky ones everywhere. So I hope the visitors to this forum will understand we mean no ill will towards anyone....well most of us don't, remember there are sucky people everywhere.

If you spend any amount of time reading the discourse here you will quickly find out there are people from all over the world and many of them don't even come from new york, might not have even visited there either. We are a diverse crowd for sure and that includes some fairly rural folk.

You might have even noticed that our favorite past time is cracking on each other, it's almost an art form but it's more like a sport. We don't take ourselves very seriously since we are Knicks fans, we are self aware enough to know how incredibly torturous it is to be a fan of this team and find humor in it.

So we two fanbases should join together in holy matrimony like some polygamous basketball cult in a ceremony and celebration of our common love...hating Micheal Jordan. Although, if any of you guys brings that jello stuff to the wedding I'm gonna cross you up so hard your kids will be born with broken ankles.

Thank you and yes you may repost this on your board to make everyone aware of the 'pending nuptials' between our forums....which maybe sounds like something you need a prescription to remedy and yea, drugs won't hurt the process.

Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

If you're not a Knick fan I don't extend any olive branch unless I'm using it to beat you with it, **** the opps!

Watch on YouTube

Ghetto Gospel · Post #1293 » by **Ghetto Gospel** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:43 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
stuporman wrote:I live in the four corners region and have been to and some might say resided in Utah at times in my life. It's a gorgeous state and in the time I've spent there I found the people to be incredibly friendly and kind hearted. I have lived in every corner of the country and plenty of places in between.

It may be entertaining with finding humor in our differences but I'm pretty sure we all know that there are great people and sucky ones everywhere. So I hope the visitors to this forum will understand we mean no ill will towards anyone....well most of us don't, remember there are sucky people everywhere.

If you spend any amount of time reading the discourse here you will quickly find out there are people from all over the world and many of them don't even come from new york, might not have even visited there either. We are a diverse crowd for sure and that includes some fairly rural folk.

You might have even noticed that our favorite past time is cracking on each other, it's almost an art form but it's more like a sport. We don't take ourselves very seriously since we are Knicks fans, we are self aware enough to know how incredibly torturous it is to be a fan of this team and find humor in it.

So we two fanbases should join together in holy matrimony like some polygamous basketball cult in a ceremony and celebration of our common love...hating Micheal Jordan. Although, if any of you guys brings that jello stuff to the wedding I'm gonna cross you up so hard your kids will be born with broken ankles.

Thank you and yes you may repost this on your board to make everyone aware of the 'pending nuptials' between our forums....which maybe sounds like something you need a prescription to remedy and yea, drugs won't hurt the process.

Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

If you're not a Knick fan I don't extend any olive branch unless I'm using it to beat you with it, **** the opps!

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

stuporman · Post #1294 » by **stuporman** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:46 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
stuporman wrote:Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

If you're not a Knick fan I don't extend any olive branch unless I'm using it to beat you with it, **** the opps!

Watch on YouTube

I'm just trying to separate basketball from real life for a moment. Let people know we don't hate people and no I don't hate anyone. The online discourse seems to keep getting more hostile and it is resulting in the violence we see.

Although, if you are so dissatisfied with your own life that you have to vent this vitriol towards others over a game then that is what you will do. Internet bravado only fans the flames of conflict in the minds, hearts and souls of those that experience it.

Knick4Real · Post #1295 » by **Knick4Real** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:49 am

3toheadmelo wrote:If there’s no deal announced by tuesday I am sure it is not happening

How/why did you pick Tuesday as your "sure it's not happening" date??

The longer this takes actually works in the KNICKS' favor. If Utah had a better deal from someone else they would have pulled the trigger on it by now. The fact they keep coming back to us strengthens our position that we have the best package, that we want Spida but not at any cost, and that we're willing to be patient until Ainge decides to be reasonable.

Besides, I'm sure the entire league is rooting for us not to fold. If Ainge wins this one, the entire league will be fkd from now on in dealing with him.

thebuzzardman · Post #1296 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:51 am

8516knicks wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
I think he's a mormon prophet. I was assuming by communicating with him that sh*t would be blasting out of Angel Marconi's trumpet in Salt Lake City.

I might be wrong.

Don't believe him, evevale, that's just a typical thebuzzardman wind up/hoax. Elijah Hughes is actually the Jazz's second round draft pick -a PF- this year and the deal is being held up because Leon wants him included in the l to replace Obi.

Didn't their Patriarch Joseph Smith, who started Mormonism, start it in upstate New York? Be grateful they went west!

I think wore out their welcome upstate, wore out their welcome in Arkansas - I think near the Missouri border, and packed it all up and moved to...Utah land! I think. It's been a while. Also, wasn't all this around the time of the 1st Great Awakening? Or was in the 2nd?
It's been a while since I read on this

thebuzzardman · Post #1297 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:52 am

stuporman wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
stuporman wrote:Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

If you're not a Knick fan I don't extend any olive branch unless I'm using it to beat you with it, **** the opps!

Watch on YouTube

I'm just trying to separate basketball from real life for a moment. Let people know we don't hate people and no I don't hate anyone. The online discourse seems to keep getting more hostile and it is resulting in the violence we see.

Although, if you are so dissatisfied with your own life that you have to vent this vitriol towards others over a game then that is what you will do. Internet bravado only fans the flames of conflict in the minds, hearts and souls of those that experience it.

Good to let people know it's in jest, because the jests will get sharp sometimes, but you broke it down well.

Clyde_Style · Post #1298 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:55 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:Don't believe him, evevale, that's just a typical thebuzzardman wind up/hoax. Elijah Hughes is actually the Jazz's second round draft pick -a PF- this year and the deal is being held up because Leon wants him included in the l to replace Obi.

Didn't their Patriarch Joseph Smith, who started Mormonism, start it in upstate New York? Be grateful they went west!

I think wore out their welcome upstate, wore out their welcome in Arkansas - I think near the Missouri border, and packed it all up and moved to...Utah land! I think. It's been a while. Also, wasn't all this around the time of the 1st Great Awakening? Or was in the 2nd?
It's been a while since I read on this

Swimming pools and movie stars!

HarthorneWingo · Post #1299 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:58 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
stuporman wrote:I live in the four corners region and have been to and some might say resided in Utah at times in my life. It's a gorgeous state and in the time I've spent there I found the people to be incredibly friendly and kind hearted. I have lived in every corner of the country and plenty of places in between.

It may be entertaining with finding humor in our differences but I'm pretty sure we all know that there are great people and sucky ones everywhere. So I hope the visitors to this forum will understand we mean no ill will towards anyone....well most of us don't, remember there are sucky people everywhere.

If you spend any amount of time reading the discourse here you will quickly find out there are people from all over the world and many of them don't even come from new york, might not have even visited there either. We are a diverse crowd for sure and that includes some fairly rural folk.

You might have even noticed that our favorite past time is cracking on each other, it's almost an art form but it's more like a sport. We don't take ourselves very seriously since we are Knicks fans, we are self aware enough to know how incredibly torturous it is to be a fan of this team and find humor in it.

So we two fanbases should join together in holy matrimony like some polygamous basketball cult in a ceremony and celebration of our common love...hating Micheal Jordan. Although, if any of you guys brings that jello stuff to the wedding I'm gonna cross you up so hard your kids will be born with broken ankles.

Thank you and yes you may repost this on your board to make everyone aware of the 'pending nuptials' between our forums....which maybe sounds like something you need a prescription to remedy and yea, drugs won't hurt the process.

Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

That inspired me to perform a lime jello colonic on myself

Let’s be honest. You were going to do it anyway.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #1300 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:26 am

stuporman wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
stuporman wrote:Apologies if we have offended you. Peace be with you!

If you're not a Knick fan I don't extend any olive branch unless I'm using it to beat you with it, **** the opps!

Watch on YouTube

I'm just trying to separate basketball from real life for a moment. Let people know we don't hate people and no I don't hate anyone. The online discourse seems to keep getting more hostile and it is resulting in the violence we see.

Although, if you are so dissatisfied with your own life that you have to vent this vitriol towards others over a game then that is what you will do. Internet bravado only fans the flames of conflict in the minds, hearts and souls of those that experience it.

Are you implying that a Jazz fan is going to drive cross country and try to shoot up the garden with a musket?