Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

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we are waiting!!!

Just too much cringe for an old man to be doing this. Posting it here should be a bannable offense lol.

[Kampuchea]

Woj just said Knicks and Jazz aren’t talking right now again. it can be a week or 2 weeks from now

Moral of the story Big Mike aint ****

I am happy to hear that it is not going to happen immediately. Gives hope that the Knicks aren't gutting the roster and sending every pick for the trade, they aren't meeting the trade demand of Ainge.

That won't go over well with some of the people that have posted 18 hours a day for the past 1-2 weeks about it and are now feeling burnt out, but it will likely be for the best in terms of the Knicks getting the best deal or simply not making a bad deal.

[ag3]

Woj said talks with Knicks can start up again this week, next week or in a couple weeks.
He doesn't know anything.

[nykballa2k4]

More a general post, not looking to debate merit of Brunson/Mitchell, nor what the trade is. Between this board, the Jazz board and common sense we know what the general outline is. After that, it's how greedy Ainge gets and the rest is fans insisting it can't be too much or this player, or has to be this much and all these players. Probably a handful of reasonable posters collectively that have the trade parameters mostly right but can't blame people for wishing. No, all of my trade proposals aren't realistic either.

Tiny backcourt aside, Knicks would get that player who can create his own shot from all over the floor against nearly anyone and succeed at a high level, who can do it off the dribble and is capable of setting up others. Sorry, but the Knicks haven't had that for years and it's one of the differences between good and very good or even average and good. And I don't think Randle is that, and it's 50/50 at best RJ ever becomes a guy like that. Randle has some of that, RJ who knows - not getting into the RJ debates right now.

I get the Dame/CJ thing and it's probably right, but I'd rather take the chance on getting in Mitchell level talent and having Brunson as the competent secondary guy who can get his own shot, is efficient and can play on and off the ball.
Honestly, it's been years, even it's not an ideal combo, where the Knicks can put two players on the floor at once and BOTH are a threat to hit a jumper, take a defender off the dribble and the threat of having two guys who can both do that is going to be nice, even if it's not the deepest playoff team.

I really wanted to talk about minutes left over at guard/wing, and I'm still putting PF in the "front court"


Mitchell averages 33 mpg. Brunson averaged 32 mpg last year - his "breakout" year. Assume those numbers hold. RJ has played 34 mpg last two years and that can probably come down 2 minutes. Just round out DMitch/Brunson and RJ to 96 mpg, leaving 48 mpg for 2 or maybe 3 players - 5 here and 4 in the backcourt is a 9 man rotation. I know some teams run 10 at times, but does the 10th man ever get more than a couple of minutes?

People want Fournier gone. They want Rose gone. Less people care about Cam than they do Grimes or IQ.

If Rose and IQ go out in a trade, kind of left having Brunson and Mitchell being all the PG depth, even though yes IQ is a combo guard. If Rose goes and IQ stays backcourt is short, but we can pretend that takes up 24 of 48 minutes of "guard/wing depth"
Would be nice if Grimes gets the other 48 - he's a little undersized for 3, but that's life. Maybe the Knicks would prefer Cam's height.
I realized the various permutations get complicated fast and this might be an ebook.

TL/DR
If Rose goes out in the trade, in spite of the height, Knicks should retain IQ
If Fournier and Cam or Fournier and Grimes go out in the trade, Knicks have to (and probably would) need to retain Grimes or Cam.

Obi can either go or not, if you think it's a given Paschdall will sign if he goes. I believe he replaces bench version of Obi easily. This is an aside from what future Obi might be.

Nothing new here, I was mulling over it.

In terms of what players to add onto the trade, in my mind it's one of Cam/Grimes and one of IQ/McBride. Toppin is a given because he is good enough to an important piece of the trade.

[ADeP7]

https://youtu.be/83BHta-lKkU

Hahn going off on lolknicks media lol

Love seeing him call kellerman out. If there was one person I could bitch slap it’d be kellerman. Guy is a fukin clown

[F N 11]

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This is actual news. Says the more picks the more players. Less picks more players. Knicks motivated to get a deal done and they could engage in talks again this week, next week, or after that (I swear they like to drag us along). Says Rudy Gobert talks been happening and Wolves just pulled up with an offer to get it done. Danny Ainge wants our unprotected picks and all the kids lol. Let’s see how badly we want him lol.

[F N 11]

Only thing that scares me is Utah apparently is scaling the league to see what they can get for Donovan. Hopefully This back fires on Ainge.

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[Fat Kat]

Woj said talks with Knicks can start up again this week, next week or in a couple weeks.
He doesn't know anything.

Expect Donovan to start making some noise. First behind the scenes, then publicly. CAA has both more negotiating experience and negotiating power than Ainge. This is why you hire Rose. Aller tells him what good value is and Rose gets it done.

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I'm pretty confident that we have the package Danny wants. I don't see him shipping Mitchell out to another team without giving us a chance to match / beat the offer.

[will34]

CAA will begin to pressure Ainge to make their client happy. Getting CAA on your bad side would be disastrous for Ainge in the long run.

[F N 11]

Windhorst said Jazz would hang up on Heat best offer.

[ag3]

So Windhorst thinks a deal gets done this week?
Nice. He's been the most accurate lately.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Windhorst said Jazz would hang up on Heat best offer.

Again reinforcing the need for Rose NOT to negotiate against themselves. Don't cave to Danny boy.

[whocares1]

CAA will begin to pressure Ainge to make their client happy. Getting CAA on your bad side would be disastrous for Ainge in the long run.

That will have zero effect on whether this gets done or not.

[F N 11]

Bontempts really believes this so what Knicks have been waiting on and we must capitalize.

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If Windhorst is saying that the Jazz “laughed at Heats best offer” then why would there be pressure on the Knicks? lol the only pressure would be from Dolan but that’s a whole separate issue.

[mpharris36]

So Windhorst thinks a deal gets done this week?
Nice. He's been the most accurate lately.

Windhorst nailed the Harden talks

he nailed the Rudy Gobert trade (jazz selling)

I believe him most right now.

[thebuzzardman]

Need more Scott Perry pearls of wisdom

[nyknicks8016]

Woj said talks with Knicks can start up again this week, next week or in a couple weeks.
He doesn't know anything.

He is not the only insider to say this, the reason he is saying this is because they have no idea when Knkcks and Jazz will talk again and it can literally happen at any moment....He doesnt want to say at any moment because he doesnt want it to aound like ita close....Its close but still has work to do, thats why he says it the way he does